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Chris - 31 Jan 2004 20:41 GMT
Is there any benchmark as to how bad T must be before retirement on health
grounds becomes a viable option.  I'm having a problem convincing my
company's Dr just how debilitating T is - his comment is "just ignore it"!

My T was caused by exposure to noise at work - which incidentally I'm suing
them for, but I'm just too tired as a result of no sleep and constant noise
to carry on any more.

Any info on very welcome.

Thanks
Chris

ps please reply to group.
Stephen Nagler - 31 Jan 2004 21:52 GMT
>Is there any benchmark as to how bad T must be before retirement on health
>grounds becomes a viable option.  I'm having a problem convincing my
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>
>ps please reply to group.

................

You will get a variety of opinions here, I suppose.

My own opinion is that each case is unique and that it really helps to
have a knowledgeable and experienced attorney who has worked with many
tinnitus patients look at this situation with you - especially if you
are considering both retirement on health grounds *and* litigation.

My strong recommendation in this regard is:

Alan Spielman, Esq.
2037 Pine Street
Philadelphia, PA 19103

Hope this helps.

smn
William Nunn - 01 Feb 2004 01:50 GMT
> >Is there any benchmark as to how bad T must be before retirement on health
> >grounds becomes a viable option.  I'm having a problem convincing my
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>
> smn

I empathise with you, the capitalist state has used you up, and now you will
be repelled into some dark region of socioeconomic subspace, where there is
no mitigation. My advice is to retire, and guard your health fanatically.
Take the golden handshake, and think about socialism and how it can work.
Ear Rings - 01 Feb 2004 03:21 GMT
> You irresponsible bastard.  Go get a job ... and just see how
> overjoyed your wife and kids will be.  How you can light the way as a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> own pity party on this board ... the world would be at your feet.
> ........
<snipped>
> In spite of your DISability, you continue to demonstrate so much
> ABILITY.  As a reader of this board just opined to me in private
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Stephen M. Nagler, MD, FACS
> www.tinn.com
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> >Is there any benchmark as to how bad T must be before retirement on health
> >grounds becomes a viable option.  I'm having a problem convincing my
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> smn
Chris - 01 Feb 2004 12:20 GMT
> > You irresponsible bastard.  Go get a job ... and just see how
> > overjoyed your wife and kids will be.  How you can light the way as a
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> > e-mail "[Conlon] certainly seems to be a competent and hardworking
> > disabled fellow..."  Kinda sums it up nicely!

I don't know who wrote this vitriolic reply to my posting without knowing
1/10th of the details, but mine was a simple question which required but a
simple reply.  As a sound engineer with a professional broadcasting company
for more than 30 years I've contributed plenty to both society and my family
and will certainly continue to do so. What I didn't add to the posting - for
fear of seeming to look for pity, is that my Tinnitus is as a result of a
head injury which fractured the temporal bone on one side leaving me with
vertigo when I speak or if I'm exposed to loud sound, continuous tinnitus at
11khz & 7khz mixed, and a speech impediment caused by the autophony, which
makes speaking an extremely disturbing experience.

In temporal bone fractures which expose a semicircular canal, sensorial
hearing (through the bone) takes over from conductive hearing (through the
ear) in the affected ear. Therefore, ear defenders do little to protect the
inner ear from damage. Have you ever stood in the middle of an orchestra
changing microphones when they are playing FFF or even F? Or sat in a
control room where half a dozen people are all speaking at once whilst
someone else is listening to a brass band on speakers the size of a door? No
I doubt it, hence my desire to retire to somewhere less noisy.

There, now you know 2/10's of the facts - yes I can type, but don't ask me
to speak in anything but a whisper. Oh yes, I have a conductive loss of
between 50 and 70db in both ears also since the accident.
Zuzu - 01 Feb 2004 15:10 GMT
> I don't know who wrote this vitriolic reply to my posting without knowing
> 1/10th of the details

I'm guessing that Ear Rings display of rage was directed at Nagler...
not yourself. Just a guess :)
Jim Chinnis - 01 Feb 2004 16:51 GMT
"Chris" <see_message_body@btopenworld.com> wrote in part:

>I don't know who wrote this vitriolic reply to my posting without knowing
>1/10th of the details

The comments in Ear Rings' post weren't directed at you. They were copied from
a dispute between two other people here several years ago.

You were "trolled."

BTW, I assume you are in the UK. If so, I doubt that the attorney recommended
by Dr. Nagler could be of direct help to you, but he still may be able to
refer you to a competent attorney in your area.
Signature

Jim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG

Susan - 01 Feb 2004 18:42 GMT
>I don't know who wrote this vitriolic reply to my posting without knowing
>1/10th of the details, but mine was a simple question which required but a
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>11khz & 7khz mixed, and a speech impediment caused by the autophony, which
>makes speaking an extremely disturbing experience.

Your reaction to this post is very understandable, and you do not owe anyone
here any explanation of your potential need for disability benefits or health
retirement.

It was a repost of a response to a disabled person by another poster on this
group, Stephen Nagler, M.D.  It was posted by yet another poster in order to
stir up the controversy once more.  He may have thought he was doing you a
service by warning you, but in fact, all he did was respond with ugliness where
you asked for help.

Ignore such tactics, seek the info you need from those who actually seem
interested and knowledgable about your situation, and use your delete buttons
and kill files freely here.  

Some of the audiologists here may be able to give you information about the
best measurments to document functional disability, to help make your case
should need be.

HTH,

Susan
Stephen Nagler - 01 Feb 2004 19:17 GMT
>It was a repost of a response to a disabled person by another poster on this
>group, Stephen Nagler, M.D.

............

Disabled?

That guy was - and still is - *able* to work.  Clearly not full time.
But able nonetheless.  He has time and time again demonstrated that he
is incredibly *able* right here on this newsgroup ... just like you,
Suzie.

The problem is that if either of you work even part time, you will
have to declare your earned income on your federal tax returns.  That,
in turn, might trigger a review of your status of "completely"
disabled as previously determined by the government, a status that
conveniently gets you a monthly check out of *OUR* tax dollars and
that adds to the Medicare burden we *ALL* carry.  There are so very
many legitimately totally disabled people in the country, folks who
truly cannot work and who deserve our compassion and all the financial
help this country can afford.  It makes me sick to see people like you
who have the ability to work even part time *choose* not to so that
their ride on the gravy train at *OUR* expense will be uninterrupted.

smn -

(Calling a spade a spade .. and real real tired of your hypocrisy, Ms.
Fein).
Ear Rings - 02 Feb 2004 01:25 GMT
Sorry Chris. My sympathies to you.

I think the last guy that was "able to work" may have died.

I hope you aren't next on his hit list. Careful here. They use their
credentials to sell themselves.

> >It was a repost of a response to a disabled person by another poster on this
> >group, Stephen Nagler, M.D.
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> (Calling a spade a spade .. and real real tired of your hypocrisy, Ms.
> Fein).
Chris - 02 Feb 2004 12:18 GMT
Thanks to all who have responded with sound advice.

Chris
TippyPooh - 04 Feb 2004 04:47 GMT
> >It was a repost of a response to a disabled person by another poster on this
> >group, Stephen Nagler, M.D.
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> (Calling a spade a spade .. and real real tired of your hypocrisy, Ms.
> Fein).

Calling a "spade a spade", "DR" Nagler? Prejudiced as well as a quack,
a pyscho, an idiot, and a "Cardiologist"? My, my, a Jack of all
Trades. What an accomplishment. Oh, and I forgot. The Great and
Powerful TRT Therapist. The Healer of all who suffer from Tinnitus.
You, my man, are a moron.
TP
Ear Rings - 04 Feb 2004 04:46 GMT
You must be Larry Lix also then?

ROFLMFAO !!!

> > >It was a repost of a response to a disabled person by another poster on this
> > >group, Stephen Nagler, M.D.
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> You, my man, are a moron.
> TP
TippyPooh - 05 Feb 2004 03:49 GMT
> You must be Larry Lix also then?
>
> ROFLMFAO !!!

Nope,
Not Larry, not Yoli, not William, not Blue, not Chris, not terri; not
anybody but Tippy Pooh. Someone who knows who and what Dr. Nagler
really is. A slimy liar.
TP

> > Stephen Nagler <nagler@tinn.com> wrote in message
>  news:<aajq10he4pc5b4tgsklmtup6soeoh73jhu@4ax.com>...
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> > You, my man, are a moron.
> > TP
Elly Byrne - 02 Feb 2004 19:32 GMT
Chris said

>and a speech impediment caused by the autophony

There is that word again. What is autophony?

           Tinnitus is a pain in the neck
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Stephen Nagler - 02 Feb 2004 22:33 GMT
>Chris said
>
>>and a speech impediment caused by the autophony
>
>There is that word again. What is autophony?

................

Elly, I answered that question the first time you asked it.  Maybe
your newsreader didn't pick it up.  I'll repost ...

...............

>On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 06:35:37 +1100, Elly Byrne
><elly@eebee.cjb.net.noway> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>smn

................

Hope this helps.

smn
Gamma M_un - 02 Feb 2004 22:37 GMT
>Elly, I answered that question the first time you asked it.  Maybe
>your newsreader didn't pick it up.  I'll repost ...
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>>Autophony is abnormal hearing of your own voice or breathing.
>>Probably the most common cause is a Eustachian tube problem.

Is it possible for and auto phony to have autophony? Do you have
autophony?

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap970210.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
Elly Byrne - 03 Feb 2004 20:03 GMT
Thank you.  I certainly did not see the first time round.

Elly.

>>Elly, I answered that question the first time you asked it.  Maybe
>>your newsreader didn't pick it up.  I'll repost ...
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap970210.html
>Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.

           Tinnitus is a pain in the neck
Elly's Tinnitus Resources
http://www.eebee.net/
http://www.tinnitusrelief.net/

For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net
Once In A Blue M_un - 03 Feb 2004 22:32 GMT
>Thank you.  I certainly did not see the first time round.

Welcome.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960730.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
 
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