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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / January 2004Can anxiety be 'cured'?
If anxiety drugs could help some of the T sufferers such as myself, the next question would be:"Can anxiety be 'cured'?" THX FP fyfpoon@hotmail.com (francispoon) wrote in part: >If anxiety drugs could help some of the T sufferers such as myself, >the next question would be:"Can anxiety be 'cured'?" > >THX > >FP Anxiety is a natural, normal, and useful state.  SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG >Anxiety is a natural, normal, and useful state. ................... So is humiliation and anger. Gotta have 'em or we wouldn't be human. - jean >>Anxiety is a natural, normal, and useful state. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > - jean ............. Anxiety and anger, yes. Humiliation, no. smn >Anxiety and anger, yes. > >Humiliation, no. ........................ I guess you never wet the bed in 4th grade, eh? - jean >>Anxiety and anger, yes. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > - jean .................. You make a very good point, Jean. I guess I would like to rephrase my response to convey the fact that humiliation is, in my opinion, an immature response. I am sure that others will disagree, which is fine with me. But let me give you an example of what I mean. Bill says that he was humiliated by the nature of the responses he got from some professionals on this board when he tried to advance a theory. I don't recall who, what, why, or when - and Bill has indicated he does not wish to rehash it in detail. I respect that. But whatever the nature of the responses from those professionals was, it cannot begin to approach the kind of "stuff" I have had to put up with here for years and years. And I never felt humiliated. I was mad as hell - furious, livid, sometimes frightened. But humiliated? Sheesh. Not a chance. smn >Stephen Nagler nagler@tinn.com writes: >I guess I would like to rephrase my response to convey the fact that >humiliation is, in my opinion, an immature response. ......................... Humiliation is a learned response. It's ingrained in people while their very young in order to teach humilty and humbleness. A person who feels humilty can be humbled. This is good. In my opionion humility and humbleness are very "mature responses" to precarious situations wherein the humbled usually knows where to draw the line. - jean > Humiliation is a learned response. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > - jean ............. So ... we disagree. And neither of us feels humiliated by the experience! Best to ya! smn > > Humiliation is a learned response. > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > smn That's the nature of the beast, Stephen. Several parties, opposing views, and no one with the humility to admit defeat. Some of the remarks were mildly humiliating but would NEVER be recognized as such by their author. From my vantage point, I think Jean was right on the money, but then... who am I to speak with any authority on this subject? sh.t, I'm just barely smart enough to breath. Bill "Bush Lied" <bushlies@whitehouse.now> wrote in part: >sh.t, I'm just barely >smart enough to breath. > >Bill Now there's a case of excessive humility... SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > "Bush Lied" <bushlies@whitehouse.now> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Now there's a case of excessive humility... I suppose I should also admit to possessing a photograph of Jean in a low cut cocktail dress. This probably explains my obvious bias. :-) "Bush Lied" <bushlies@whitehouse.now> wrote in part: >> "Bush Lied" <bushlies@whitehouse.now> wrote in part: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I suppose I should also admit to possessing a photograph of Jean in a low >cut cocktail dress. This probably explains my obvious bias. :-) Whoa! (Actually, I just keep replying to your posts because I like to see the "Bush Lied" keep coming up.) SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > "Bush Lied" <bushlies@whitehouse.now> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > (Actually, I just keep replying to your posts because I like to see the "Bush > Lied" keep coming up.) Don't get me started again. Have you read this: Chief weapons inspector David Kaye resigned today citing problems with the Mars Rover as a major detriment to his search for Weapons of Mass Destruction. "They aren't in Iraq", said Kaye during a recent interview, "which adds credence to Vice President Cheney's theory." Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld believe Saddam used illegal Scud missiles, powered by tons of VX gas, to move his WMD to safe harbor on Mars just before the United States invaded. "It makes sense to me", said Kaye, "how else can the absence of WMD in Iraq be explained?" Kaye's successor, Charles Duelfer, said he is "....counting on the second Mars rover," scheduled to arrive tomorrow, to do the job. "If we don't find them on Mars we plan to study Uranus" said Duelfer. He went on to say "Saddam was a lying sack of sh.t and anyone who knows the Bush team knows lying when they hear it." "Bush Lied" <bushlies@whitehouse.now> wrote in part: >anyone who knows the Bush team knows > >lying when they hear it." :-) SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > I suppose I should also admit to possessing a photograph of Jean in a low > cut cocktail dress. This probably explains my obvious bias. :-) So, that's where that picture went! PS > > I suppose I should also admit to possessing a photograph of Jean in a low > > cut cocktail dress. This probably explains my obvious bias. :-) > > So, that's where that picture went! > > PS Uh,er, I guess I should have mentioned that in the "nubile maidens" thread? >I suppose I should also admit to possessing a photograph of Jean in a low >cut cocktail dress. This probably explains my obvious bias. :-) .................... Bill-lies ;) - jean > >>Anxiety is a natural, normal, and useful state. > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > smn Humiliation (n.) The act of humiliating or humbling; abasement of pride; mortification. (n.) The state of being humiliated, humbled, or reduced to lowliness or submission. In one context it is the stimulus, in the other it is the response. See also: Humility (n.) The state or quality of being humble; freedom from pride and arrogance; lowliness of mind; a modest estimate of one's own worth; a sense of one's own unworthiness through imperfection and sinfulness; self-abasement; humbleness. (n.) An act of submission or courtesy. >Humiliation >(n.) The act of humiliating or humbling; abasement of pride; mortification. >(n.) The state of being humiliated, humbled, or reduced to lowliness or >submission ............................. Yeah, my mother was really good at this. She could bring you down in 30 seconds flat. But maybe a little humility is a not such a bad thing after all. - jean Stephen Nagler <nagler@tinn.com> wrote in part: >>>Anxiety is a natural, normal, and useful state. >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >smn I'd say that humiliation is also a natural, normal, and useful state. It's a normal emotional response to certain situations. It is useful in instilling humility, which is an advantageous attribute. All in proper measure. That's the issue. SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG >I'd say that humiliation is also a natural, normal, and useful state. It's a >normal emotional response to certain situations. It is useful in instilling >humility, which is an advantageous attribute. > >All in proper measure. That's the issue. .............. Well, I gotta tell ya, Jim. I don't find the fact that we disagree on this issue to be particularly humiliating. :-) And I am not sure that humility comes any more readily to a person who reacts to adverse situations by being humiliated. I kinda think humility comes from within. smn Stephen Nagler <nagler@tinn.com> wrote in part: >>I'd say that humiliation is also a natural, normal, and useful state. It's a >>normal emotional response to certain situations. It is useful in instilling [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >reacts to adverse situations by being humiliated. I kinda think >humility comes from within. So does anger, anxiety, and whatever other emotions we've been talking about. I agree that humility can (and should) be learned without humiliation. But is usually isn't, and humiliation is a useful feeling when it is produced. SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG >...humiliation is a useful feeling when it is produced. ............. Then maybe Bill should be grateful to whichever professional(s) humiliated him? Couldn't resist. :-) On a serious note ... If I was one of the professionals who humiliated Bill back then - regardless of the true nature of the term "humiliation" - I feel bad about it. Such would not have been my intent. And although I do not recall the incident, if it was I - I apologize for any role I might have played in Bill's discomfort and sincerely hope Bill will forgive me. smn YES. >If anxiety drugs could help some of the T sufferers such as myself, >the next question would be:"Can anxiety be 'cured'?" > >THX > >FP Tinnitus is a pain in the neck Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://www.eebee.net/ http://www.tinnitusrelief.net/ For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net |
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