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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / February 2004Why has not anyone mentioned jinkgo biloba these days?
I read elsewhere that jinkgo biloba has helped a lot of people with T. But this topic does not seem to be well entertained in this group lately. Why? FP >I read elsewhere that jinkgo biloba has helped a lot of people with T. > But this topic does not seem to be well entertained in this group >lately. Why? Because no one currently posting has had any help from it, though some have tried. Susan >I read elsewhere that jinkgo biloba has helped a lot of people with T. > But this topic does not seem to be well entertained in this group >lately. Why? > >FP .............. FP - A couple of years ago there was a huge study in the UK. It was a double-blind randomized placebo controlled study in which the principal investigator, Ewert Davies, and his team demonstrated rather convincingly that Ginkgo biloba was no more effective than placebo in treating tinnitus. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=11154618 smn Tinnitus responds very well to placebo. Perhaps each "contestant" was given only one dose of ginkgo (the way they tested Chiropractic) and the results show nothing and also prove nothing. If the AI is aware tooting this there is usually more to it than simple truth. > >I read elsewhere that jinkgo biloba has helped a lot of people with T. > > But this topic does not seem to be well entertained in this group [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > convincingly that Ginkgo biloba was no more effective than placebo in > treating tinnitus. >"Ear Rings" writes: >Tinnitus responds very well to placebo. .................. If that was true none of us would be here. -jean > If that was true none of us would be here. > > -jean You are waaaaay too smart for this group! :-) Susan >A couple of years ago there was a huge study in the UK. It was a >double-blind randomized placebo controlled study in which the >principal investigator, Ewert Davies, and his team demonstrated rather >convincingly that Ginkgo biloba was no more effective than placebo in >treating tinnitus. As in all studies on Ginko the doses were far smaller than the ones taken by people for whom it was effective. http://eebee.net/ginko.shtml Tinnitus is a pain in the neck Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://www.eebee.net/ http://www.tinnitusrelief.net/ For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net >As in all studies on Ginko the doses were far smaller than the ones >taken by people for whom it was effective. ................ I have heard that criticism, Elly. In fact Dr. Michael Seidman, Director of the Henry Ford Health Systems Center for Complementary & Integrative Medicine in Michigan, frequently uses that argument to support his position on the efficacy of ginkgo. What I don't understand is - *IF* that is the case - why in the world would Ewart Davies, one of the world's most respected tinnitus researchers, do a ginkgo study with inadequate dosing. It just doesn't make sense to me. I'm going to e-mail him at the last e-mail address I have for him - and see what his thoughts are. If I get a response, I'll post the information here. smn Michael Seidman, M.D. The study you are referring to was a nice study out of the United Kingdom. Unfortunately, the dose that they tested was about 1/3 of the dose that has been shown to be of some benefit. I usually recommend 240 mg, two times per day; the study used 160 mg. In science there are ALWAYS studies that prove one thing and then the next study proves the opposite. Remember how bad butter was for you, and we were to switch to margarine? Now the trans fats are seen to be much worse than butter. The only thing constant is change! Tinnitus is a pain in the neck Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://www.eebee.net/ http://www.tinnitusrelief.net/ For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net >>As in all studies on Ginko the doses were far smaller than the ones >>taken by people for whom it was effective. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >smn There is Gingko from root, stem, leaves and "whatever". 100 gms of Gingko WHAT? root, etc. Last time I looked only the German products were uniform. My position is that unless there is a real assurance of success, the possibility of bleeding - or worse - with large doses is something to seriously consider. One of my peers said that the reason we haven't seen more "bleeding" with Gingko in large doses is that the stuff they sell "at the store" is probably from the ineffecive areas of the plant. Poor circulation is only ONE of the possible causes of T. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com >>As in all studies on Ginko the doses were far smaller than the ones >>taken by people for whom it was effective. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >smn .................. Here is the response I just received from Dr. Davies: >With regards to Ginkgo, even expressing the concentration is >difficult. Some people speak of leaf content whilst others speak of one or >both of the active components. We derived our dosage from the recommendation >of the manufacturers who claimed that the concentration used would be ample >to show an effect if it was there. Seems reasonable to me! smn |
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