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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / November 2003Rining in the ears question
Here goes, I'm 48 years old and have had ringing in my ears for about 8 years. The last 2 years I have been on Norvasc for high blood preassure. ( it is still high). Anyways here is my question, as of late, about the last year when I get up in the morning my ears ring very loud but very different. Fot the first 1-2 min or so when I move my head quickly it sounds like small bee bee's rolling around in my head. It is very strange. I'm just wondering if anyone else has ever experenced anything like this. TIA Dan > Here goes, > I'm 48 years old and have had ringing in my ears for about 8 years. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Dan I wonder if the b-b sound could result from the movement of some liquid as you arise. My T is invariably silent when I awaken, but just for the first few minutes. Do you experience a brief absence of the ringing sound (not the b-b sound) when you first awaken? No, the ringing is present when I awake, in fact it is a little louder and deeper. If that makes any sense. >> Here goes, >> I'm 48 years old and have had ringing in my ears for about 8 years. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >few minutes. Do you experience a brief absence of the ringing sound (not >the b-b sound) when you first awaken? > No, the ringing is present when I awake, in fact it is a little louder > and deeper. If that makes any sense. <snip> Although I've never heard mention of the b-b sound you describe, the rest of what you hear is familiar to me and possibly to most of those who hang around here. You probably know there are two types of tinnitus, subjective and objective, and that one type is sometimes associated with the presence of an acoustic neuroma. If you don't, let us know and one of the resident docs might have some good suggestions. Yesterday was the first I knew that there was even a name associated with the ringing in the ears. not to mention a group of those that suffer with it. Any an all advice is welcome. TIA Dan There are loads of Tinnitus `self help groups`. Give the BTA a call on the internet. Best of luck. John. I have never heard of such a case but the sound of BB's rolling around in your head could possible be just that. there are stones in your ear in the vestibular or balance system. These can get loose and cause dizzyness - a condition called paroxysmal postitional vertigo. . It is treated by putting the stones back in place. You might consult a doctor who treats this condition using Eply maneuver or similar treatment. Again, in theory I don' tknow how the stone could get into the cochlea but that is a strange possibility. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com http://www.hydromedonline.com >Murray Grossan, M.D. >http://www.ent-consult.com >http://www.hydromedonline.com You are still advertizing in a support group. Please stop completely. Now, where is my apology for your despicable comments towards me. I did not insult Marsha. Marsha acknowledged in an e-mail that I did not insult her. Yet your opened your foul mouth, spit out your teeth, and said I owed her an apology. You owe me one Muzzy. Now where is it? Got any character left to admit that you were wrong? "Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehoods school. And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool" -- Plato. I am in good company Nathan "Nate" Jessup now accepting fan mail: come_get_to_know_me@yahoo.com >Here goes, >I'm 48 years old and have had ringing in my ears for about 8 years. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Dan When you move your head, is that what makes the sound go away eventually? Terri http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport No, the ringing is constant. when I sit up and turn my head towards the bath room in preparation to getting up ,that is when I hear the B B sound. I know it sounds very strange. I am just hoping it sounds familiar to some one. By the way I have a Doc appointment in a week and will mention it to him. TIA Dan >>Here goes, >>I'm 48 years old and have had ringing in my ears for about 8 years. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport > No, the ringing is constant. when I sit up and turn my head towards > the bath room in preparation to getting up ,that is when I hear the B [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > him. > TIA Dan Hi Dan This may be way off the mark, but are you sure it isn't a sound from the bathroom that your ears capture? I'm asking because before we moved house, I had this weird thing in our old house. In the kitchen. I could turn the head and hear weird "extra T", actually not far from what you describe as a bee rolling around in your head. Then turn the head back and it would lower or disappear and so on and so forth. I found out it was the fridge that played this trick on my ears. My worst ear couldn't hear the sound of our old fridge but the "good" ear could, so when I turned my head I would get some sudden noise like described above and it took a while till I figured out that the noise was actually external. I hope your ENT can shed some light on this. Susanne On 17 Nov 2003 05:02:04 -0800, sagesseinfinie2002@yahoo.com (Susanne Sourire) wrote: >This may be way off the mark, but are you sure it isn't a sound from >the bathroom that your ears capture? I'm asking because before we >moved house, I had this weird thing in our old house. In the kitchen. >I could turn the head and hear weird "extra T", actually not far from That's not as way off the mark as you may fear. I think that by the time I reached about the age of 50 and begun to experience tinnitus, it was arriving alongside some seriously measurable deafness but of a type and character that was peculiar. This gives rise to things sounding all wrong. You can hear things that are something entirely different from the way they sound to you. I can give an example but will say that I don't know what is meant by a Bee Bee sound. Can you explain that a bit more Carpenter please? My example is the Beeper-timer on the cooker. It sounds in reality beeeep beeeep beeeep until you go and turn it off. But when I am alerted by it from the next room the beeps are fragmented so it sounds like bip bip bip ............bip bip bip as if there are regular chunks missing from the long constant frequency beeps. I have no idea why my ears receive it in increments. This could be a perception fault as much as a hearing defect. Altering the position of my head makes it go normal long beeps and I can then hear it as it really is. When training to tune pianos in my late 20's , I found that movement of the head could make the difference between being able to hear a harmonic note and being totally unable to hear it. This was so marked that students were advised to move their heads a few inches and sit back from the source of the sound and then they may hear the very quiet tell-tale harmonic better. That proves that head position is sometimes critical in how something sounds. -- Laurie >From: Carpenter ME@nowhere.com writes: >when I move my head >quickly it sounds like small bee bee's rolling around in my head. .................. Hi Dan, Years ago we had a thread running in this group "What Do You Hear" ? I think we listed everything from bells, music, hissing, teapots boiling to voices :). When your alone with this disorder hearing hissing, teapots, etc can be very scarey. After 20 people listed their *symptoms* in the "What Do You Hear" thread tinnitus became less scarey, in fact it turned into alot of laughs for all of us. Maybe we should start a new "What Do You Hear" thread? - jean <snip> > Maybe we should start a new "What Do You Hear" thread? > > - jean Sometimes a steam leak, sometimes crickets. Very loud when I listen for it, otherwise I don't let it interfere with my life and am mostly unaware of it. ><snip> >> Maybe we should start a new "What Do You Hear" thread? >> >> - jean >Sometimes a steam leak, sometimes crickets. Very loud when I listen for it, >otherwise I don't let it interfere with my life and am mostly unaware of it. Most of the time I hear whirring high pitched cicadas. When it is the most noticeable is when the cicadas get louder and louder. An occasional clicking sound on one side which is very unpredictable. At night, big band music being played on a radio that is just too far off to make out the tune. Sometimes it is accompanied by electrical crackling or buzzing like a bug zapper. Terri http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport terri231@knowspam.mam wrote in part: >At night, big band music being played on a radio that is just too far >off to make out the tune. Ditto--sometimes more like muffled voices from outside. Not sure which is more fun. :-/  SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG Now you ridicule the poor lady? When will you stop with your attacks? > terri231@knowspam.mam wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Jim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA > Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > Now you ridicule the poor lady? When will you stop with your attacks? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Jim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA > > Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG That's an attack? Sounds like empathy to me but then I wasn't all that good at 9th grade English grammar. Didn't you just write: "A wise man knows when his vicious attacks are not wanted also." > Now you ridicule the poor lady? When will you stop with your attacks? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Jim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA > > Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG Having some trouble posting? You'll get the hang of it after a while. > That's an attack? Sounds like empathy to me but then I wasn't all that good > at 9th grade English grammar. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > Jim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA > > > Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > Having some trouble posting? You'll get the hang of it after a while. All I know is this. I type something and I click on the "Send" button. How do you do it? If you had to ask what I posted, then quote it and seemingly have a hard time understanding basic English... > > Having some trouble posting? You'll get the hang of it after a while. > > All I know is this. I type something and I click on the "Send" button. > How do you do it? >Sometimes a steam leak, sometimes crickets. Very loud when I listen for it, >otherwise I don't let it interfere with my life and am mostly unaware of it. .................. Well Bob, congratulations! Your Not Nuts! Your T is following the same pattern as mine. Crickets and hissing. If its any consolation, I'd say you'll come thru this just fine. :) If there is underlying depression running in the background get it treated. Although it probably won't cure you you may find the tinnitus signficantly reduced both in volume and the number of "bad ear days". Also treatment with antid's may help level the playing field while the habituation process is taking place. - jean :) > >Sometimes a steam leak, sometimes crickets. Very loud when I listen for it, > >otherwise I don't let it interfere with my life and am mostly unaware of it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Your T is following the same pattern as mine. Crickets and hissing. <snip> > - jean :) Lets start an acapela group! >Lets start an acapela group! ................We'd have to all put our heads together. -jean :) > >Lets start an acapela group! > > ................We'd have to all put our heads together. Give me a ring when you're ready, OK? > >Lets start an acapela group! > > ................We'd have to all put our heads together. > > -jean :) Yow! How many heads would it take to be the buzz heard 'round the world? Eva > >Sometimes a steam leak, sometimes crickets. Very loud when I listen for it, > >otherwise I don't let it interfere with my life and am mostly unaware of it. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > - jean :) I hear many overlapping clear tones, from low in pitch to as high as I can hear. Like tuning forks. I have been aware of my tinnitus for 40 years, and it has gotten louder every year. However, though it is perceptively louder, it bothers me less. I continually habituate to the louder tones. Mine is loud, but not intrusive. I am not aware of it most of the day, when I am busy. I also hear ticking, clicking, and crickets, but only on occasion, a few times a day. On rare occasions I hear the tinnitus decrease in volume to nothing, and then immediately a clear single tone, in both ears. That stays for a minute or two, and then silence for a few seconds, and then the regular multi-tone tinnitus resumes. I ignore it. When I become aware of it, I change the subject, so to speak, and think of other things. It roars but I don't hear it. Habituation. It is not cure, but it works for me. Yoga, positive thinking, exercise, and rest make habituation possible for me. I notice no connection to any food or drink or drug. My tinnitus is constant and unrelenting and doesn't scare me in the least. I command it. I'm in charge. Wear ear protection. I like muffs. I find them much more comfortable and efficient than plugs, but it is different for everyone. Just protect your ears against loud noise, always. Tom >My tinnitus is constant and unrelenting and doesn't scare me in the least. I >command it. I'm in charge. .................. Atta boy Tom... I always said in order for habituation to occure two things must happen" a) acceptance must have taken place and, b) there must no longer be any accompanying negative physical or emotional reaction when the tinnitus is heard or perceived. About how long did it take you to be in command? - jean > >My tinnitus is constant and unrelenting and doesn't scare me in the least. I > >command it. I'm in charge. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > - jean I fought for the first twenty years, then quit struggling against it and decided to ignore it. The last twenty have been much better, even though the noise is perceptively louder, in multiples. I've got better things to do than whine against the whine. :-) a) yes, you must accept it probably won't ever go away (keep a spark of hope for research), and b) yes, except in my case I look it in the ear and occasionally give a little sigh of regret, and then get on with whatever I am doing. Not negative, but certainly in disapproval. I reserve the right to be pissed that this happens to us. Cognitive, positive thinking, cancels the noise out for me. "Bob" <anonymous@somewhere.xyz> wrote in message news:yBeub.1017 > Sometimes a steam leak, sometimes crickets. Very loud when I listen for it, > otherwise I don't let it interfere with my life and am mostly unaware of it. Steam leak and crickets. Same for me. Are you using my head? :-) PaulS Cicadas -- loud ones! There is also a sound that makes me think of a high tension wire being pulled through my head. Then there are always added tones -- like a tuning fork (somebody else mentioned that one). These tones play for a minute or two and go away. The roaring from my bad ear is always there. The odd tones play in my right ear mostly. I don't think about it much until I get an extra tone -- that really draws my attention to my ears. I also get clicks and thumping noises. It is the loudest just before I go to sleep and first thing when I wake up. Eva >Then there are always added tones -- like a tuning fork ....................... Seems to me that somewhere along the line this was described as "hair cells dying" in the inner ear. Cant remember if this is true or not. Time to call in the pros. -jean I've got a new sound that just started up. It's relentless and won't let up. It sounds like a female voice repeating over and over again; "Get off that computer and take out this trash." Weird thing this tinnitus. Bruce > I've got a new sound that just started up. > It's relentless and won't let up. > It sounds like a female voice repeating > over and over again; "Get off that computer > and take out this trash." Have you tried masking techniques? PaulS >Have you tried masking techniques? I'm sure he's equipped with the factory installed masker all men seem to have for such occasions. Susan >> I've got a new sound that just started up. >> It's relentless and won't let up. >> It sounds like a female voice repeating >> over and over again; "Get off that computer >> and take out this trash." >Have you tried masking techniques? >PaulS ..................... If not there's always "masking tape" ! :) - jean > If not there's always "masking tape" ! :) > > - jean Tape of the Super Bowl would work! PaulS > >> I've got a new sound that just started up. >> It's relentless and won't let > up. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > - jean Be sure to tell her to apply some chapstick so the adhesive doesn't dry her lips. > >> I've got a new sound that just started up. >> It's relentless and won't let > up. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > - jean LOL, Jean:-)))) That was a great remark:-))))))) Susanne Bruce/Seattle wrote peremptorily:- > I've got a new sound that just started up. > It's relentless and won't let up. > It sounds like a female voice repeating > over and over again; "Get off that computer > and take out this trash." > Weird thing this tinnitus. Yup I get a sound comes around every four weeks or so: "You just don't understand!", sometimes with a top note of breaking crockery. Cheers hic >Bruce/Seattle wrote peremptorily:- > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Cheers hic Maybe you should stop drinking, get off the computer and learn to devote higher quality attention to your family? Terri http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport > Bruce/Seattle wrote peremptorily:- Now you're starting to sound like her ;- ))) Bruce Bruce/Seattle wrote plangently:- > Now you're starting to sound like her ;- ))) <sound of door slamming> Cheers hic I've got a new sound that just started up. It's relentless and won't let up. It sounds like a female voice repeating over and over again; "Get off that computer and take out this trash." Weird thing this tinnitus. Bruce PaulS wrote gastronomically:- <snipped> > Steam leak and crickets. Yum. How long for, & what do you serve it with? Cheers hic > PaulS wrote gastronomically:- > <snipped> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cheers hic 45 Seconds, then a fine Chianti :-) PaulS >Sometimes a steam leak, sometimes crickets. Very loud when I listen for it, >otherwise I don't let it interfere with my life and am mostly unaware of it. .................. Cross between a tea kettle and a jet turbine in both ears. smn Usually a soft hiss now. Frequent, sudden LOUD tuning fork type noises. Sometimes the hiss is much louder and shrill. Susan > Hi Dan, > Years ago we had a thread running in this group "What Do You Hear" ? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > - jean These sounds are still on my webpage: From the a.s.t newsgroup (The fact is ... that the dB level of the tinnitus (once it is established that a person does have tinnitus) has nothing to do with how much suffering/distress/incapacity/disability a person has from tinnitus.) All the time, I hear: high-pitched hissing birds chirping chains clanking sticks scraping a little bell going ding, da-ding, dingy ding tea kettle whistling water running squirrels scolding a telephone ringing in the distance once in a while, a loud CLANNNNG! What do you hear? Wow! That's a lot of noise. Due to middle ear problems, I have a large, roaring waterfall, with a truck idling nearby, and someone at the top of the waterfall playing a high "E" on a flute. Crickets chirping, electrical power lines, water runnin, I hear a very high pitched hissing, and as mine is pulsatile, it's synchronous with my heart beat. In the past couple of months, what I call a "new and improved" sound has started appearing in the right ear. I call it the "dog whistle." It's a VERY high pitch tone, obnoxious, sometimes wavering in pitch. Like when you stand too close to an old TV. Can be particularly irritating. Well, in my right ear a high pitched hiss, certainly, varying in volume. Sometimes a melody or a recurring rhytm. Clangs i don't have but occasionally a very note which lasts for a second or so. In my left ear? Thank God, there only an occasional low volume soft whistle, which usually fades into the background. I hear : crickets ringing buzzing and the worse of all the sound of wind blowing on high tension wires. The crickets are there most of the time but the others add there sounds far to often for me, My "T" sounds like the sound of a teapot and is sometimes combined along with a narrow band hi pitched squeal. I "hear" a very low-frequency "whooshing" like the blades of a helicopter, then it becomes a steady bass hummmm like a truck idling outside my bedroom. Occurs every night, and during the day when I'm stressed or tired (which is often, because I didn't sleep well the night before!). Tinnitus is a pain in the neck Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://www.eebee.net/ http://www.tinnitusrelief.net/ For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net Great job Elly ! >These sounds are still on my webpage: > [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > >For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net Dan: Continue to work with your doctor to keep your blood pressure under control. And avoid exposure to loud noise at all cost (wear ear plugs and an ear muffler when vacuuming or operating lawn mowers, leaf blowers, etc.) Sometimes high blood pressure can cause or aggravate tinnitus. Also avoid excessive aspirin intake. Brad Thanks so much to all those that took the time to share your thoughts. If It ever becomes clear as to what this sound is I'll certinly post what I find out. Thanks again Dan >Dan: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Brad |
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