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**** Survey - How many have  visual floaters? *******

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Ear Ring - 21 Oct 2003 02:53 GMT
Perhaps you have never noticed them before. Stare at a completely blank wall
in the light and the dark.

Is there a similiarity between "floaters" and tinnitus?

Let us all know what you see!
PaulS - 21 Oct 2003 03:11 GMT
> Let us all know what you see!

I see Dead people!
Stephen Nagler - 21 Oct 2003 03:18 GMT
>> Let us all know what you see!
>
>I see Dead people!

..............

Too much sushi, Paul.

smn
Susanne  Sourire - 21 Oct 2003 19:15 GMT
> > Let us all know what you see!
>
> I see Dead people!

LOL:-)

Susanne
Stephen Nagler - 21 Oct 2003 03:20 GMT
>Perhaps you have never noticed them before. Stare at a completely blank wall
>in the light and the dark.
>
>Is there a similiarity between "floaters" and tinnitus?
>
>Let us all know what you see!

..................

I see floaters - but only when I look for them.

smn
Ear Ring - 21 Oct 2003 03:22 GMT
I see floaters in varying degrees. Most of the time I do not notice them
unless I look hard for them. This seems to vary with the toxicity of my
system at the time.
I have had floaters so bad on occasions that my wife had to lead me around
almost blind upon taking medications a few times.

> Perhaps you have never noticed them before. Stare at a completely blank wall
> in the light and the dark.
>
> Is there a similiarity between "floaters" and tinnitus?
>
> Let us all know what you see!
TonyJeffs - 21 Oct 2003 08:37 GMT
Yus I see floaters and stuff. Recently got a tiny 'mirror' bang in the
centre, which vanishes within 1/5 a second of opening my eyes.

V much the same as tinnitus imo. Unpleasant, future uncertain, no real
medical solution, but on the plus you can habituate to it.

Tony
Stephen Nagler - 21 Oct 2003 08:48 GMT
>Yus I see floaters and stuff. Recently got a tiny 'mirror' bang in the
>centre, which vanishes within 1/5 a second of opening my eyes.
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>
>Tony

.....................

My floaters disappear if I close my eyes, which means that - at least
in my case - I can "escape" them easily.  Is that the same for others
with floaters?  That could be a factor in ease of habituation when
compared with tinnitus, I guess.

smn
Susanne  Sourire - 21 Oct 2003 16:53 GMT
> >Yus I see floaters and stuff. Recently got a tiny 'mirror' bang in the
> >centre, which vanishes within 1/5 a second of opening my eyes.
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>
> smn

Mine disappear when I close my eyes.

Susanne
Jim Chinnis - 21 Oct 2003 16:03 GMT
tonyjeffs@aol.com (TonyJeffs) wrote in part:

>Yus I see floaters and stuff. Recently got a tiny 'mirror' bang in the
>centre, which vanishes within 1/5 a second of opening my eyes.

The "mirror" thing is something I recently developed, too. It can last maybe 5
seconds, though. I notice it when i wake up and open my eyes. Some of the
"mirror" (scintillations?) noise is also turned on by exposure to bright
light.

>V much the same as tinnitus imo. Unpleasant, future uncertain, no real
>medical solution, but on the plus you can habituate to it.

Yep. Though it is not there all the time, as my tinnitus most assuredly is.

The mirrors/scintillations/fortifications also raise the familiar question of
what is central and what is peripheral.
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Jim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG

Susan - 21 Oct 2003 12:59 GMT
>Perhaps you have never noticed them before. Stare at a completely blank wall
>in the light and the dark.
>
>Is there a similiarity between "floaters" and tinnitus?
>
>Let us all know what you see!

i used to have lots of very prominent floaters when I first got very ill with
tick borne diseases; that's also what brought on my T.

Both are mostly gone now.

But I think floaters are pretty common as folks age, too, not just those with
T.

Susan
PaulS - 21 Oct 2003 14:33 GMT
> Perhaps you have never noticed them before. Stare at a completely blank wall
> in the light and the dark.
>
> Is there a similiarity between "floaters" and tinnitus?

Its impossible to see floaters in the dark. They do not glow.

PaulS
Bob D. - 21 Oct 2003 16:54 GMT
>Its impossible to see floaters in the dark. They do not glow.
>
>PaulS

Paul:

They will if you preceed your observation period with a few belts
of our new EERIE WAX 2004 -- It's 300 proof (150 % alcohol)
and so concentrated that 2-3 doses will prevent T from you down
to your great grandchildren -- ask Bruce for the details, you can
also become a distributor ...

Ciao-4-now,

Bob D.
Long Island, NY
bdimarco@optonline.net
PaulS - 21 Oct 2003 21:30 GMT
> Paul:
>
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> to your great grandchildren -- ask Bruce for the details, you can
> also become a distributor ...

Thanks Bob! I forgot all about the miracle qualities of EERIE WAX. Hey
Bruce.........sign me up.

PaulS

PS...I hope its not like Spot Remover. I used that stuff and my dog
disappeared!
Ear Ring - 21 Oct 2003 22:14 GMT
If there is  some similiarity between "floaters" and tinnitus then perhaps
tinnitus is a result of histimine bursts in the audio system similiar to
histimine bursts in the visual system causing "floaters"

Floaters are similiar to your  eyes having micro orgasms.

When my floaters were really bad I went blind and could only see blurry
lights for about 45 minutes. The blind spots drifted off to the top right of
my vision untill all was clear again. Very upsetting for me. The stomache
medication I was taking wad discarded at that point. Coincidentally a
Chinese herbalist gave me some herbal medications  a few months later and
the same thing happenned when I was driving. Luckly my wife was with me and
fully licenced to drive.

> Perhaps you have never noticed them before. Stare at a completely blank wall
> in the light and the dark.
>
> Is there a similiarity between "floaters" and tinnitus?
>
> Let us all know what you see!
PaulS - 21 Oct 2003 22:57 GMT
Hi Ear Ring-

What you describe are not floaters? Floaters are cellular debris which are
visible under certain light conditions. Have you checked with an
ophthamologist?

PaulS

> If there is  some similiarity between "floaters" and tinnitus then perhaps
> tinnitus is a result of histimine bursts in the audio system similiar to
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> >
> > Let us all know what you see!
Stephen Nagler - 21 Oct 2003 23:06 GMT
>Hi Ear Ring-
>
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>
>PaulS

..................

That is my understanding, too - that floaters are actual physical
matter (another difference between floaters and tinnitus).

smn
Ear Ring - 23 Oct 2003 00:12 GMT
My opthamologist describes them perfectly. Some see bursts of lights (eyes
open or closed), some flashing lights and some just "specs of dust" and
various other weird shapes and optical stimulations. Perhaps you are just
American and have redefined one more thing  to make it easier for "the
people" to understand. Who knows from a society that can redefine their
language and measurement system? ROFL

> Hi Ear Ring-
>
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> > >
> > > Let us all know what you see!
Paul - 21 Oct 2003 23:40 GMT
> Perhaps you have never noticed them before. Stare at a completely blank wall
> in the light and the dark.
>
> Is there a similiarity between "floaters" and tinnitus?
>
> Let us all know what you see!

Ix-Nay on the Oaters-Flay.  That is one
 problem I DON'T have :-)

Paul
TonyJeffs - 22 Oct 2003 17:15 GMT
My floaters are black and disappear when I shut my eyes, so yes that
makes habituation easier.
My white haze is visible in the dark, though.  It isn't eyeball
pressure. I think it must be some kind of inflammation at the retina.
I first noticed it when I stopped taking steroid eye drops, and wonder
if it'd go away if it re-applied steroid drops.

I'm sure myself that all the eye things  mentioned in this thread are
to do with the retina, the viscose etc.

Tony
TonyJeffs - 22 Oct 2003 17:15 GMT
My floaters are black and disappear when I shut my eyes, so yes that
makes habituation easier.
My white haze is visible in the dark, though.  It isn't eyeball
pressure. I think it must be some kind of inflammation at the retina.
I first noticed it when I stopped taking steroid eye drops, and wonder
if it'd go away if it re-applied steroid drops.

I'm sure myself that all the eye things  mentioned in this thread are
to do with the retina, the viscose in the eyeball, the lining of the
eyeball etc.

Tony
John Goddard - 26 Oct 2003 21:56 GMT
Yes,  my floaters are black....like tiny threads in the field of vision.  OK
normally but annoying when viewed against white background e.g. ski
ing/computer screen etc...
john
> My floaters are black and disappear when I shut my eyes, so yes that
> makes habituation easier.
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>
> Tony
Nathan Jessup - 28 Oct 2003 14:25 GMT
>Yes,  my floaters are black....like tiny threads in the field of vision.  OK
>normally but annoying when viewed against white background e.g. ski
>ing/computer screen etc...

A timely message. I just returned from skiing and have always noticed
"floaters" most days I use my computer. I never noticed them sking. I
hope the power of suggestion doesn't have me looking for - and finding
- them the next time I go.

I do use tinted goggles so that might be the reason I never notice
them.

Nate Peekaboo.......beep...beep...beep...beep...booooop.
Jesper Buch - 22 Oct 2003 18:26 GMT
> Perhaps you have never noticed them before. Stare at a completely blank wall
> in the light and the dark.
>
> Is there a similiarity between "floaters" and tinnitus?
>
> Let us all know what you see!

You might see it as too much energy stunning the reseptors.

The eyes are sensitive to light energy and the ears to air pressure but
perhaps you can compare the energy stunning effect.

Floaters causeing deadspots and light threshold shift is perhaps the same as
a temporary threshold shift in the inner ear causing tinnitus and lower
sensitivite.
 
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