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Stephen Nagler - 19 Oct 2003 05:20 GMT
Well here's a surprise!

(Like nobody figured it out before now.)

Do this.

First go to:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/tony.jeffs/survivors/chiari.htm

There on the right side of the page is sweet ol' Steve Conlon playing
his guitar.

Now, RIGHT CLICK on the picture.

If you use Netscape as your browser, click on "Save Image As..."

If you use Explorer as your browser, click on "Save Picture As..."

Either way, what's the "File name" in the window that pops up?

Busy busy boy, Stevie.

Busy, busy boy.

You'd make an excellent project engineer.  I'll be happy to write a
letter of recommendation for you.

smn
Susan - 19 Oct 2003 14:07 GMT
>If you use Explorer as your browser, click on "Save Picture As..."
>
>Either way, what's the "File name" in the window that pops up?

It could well be that Steve is Martin.  It could also be Steve playing a Martin
guitar.

Susan
Stephen Nagler - 19 Oct 2003 14:56 GMT
>x-no-archive: yes
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Susan

...............

I assumed it was a Martin guitar.

I also assume that is how Steve chose his nick on this newsgroup.

Can you honestly say you have any doubt - especially with "Martin's"
inadvertent use of Steve's signature "(g)" prior to a closing period
of a sentence.

I agree that it's not good to wrestle with pigs, but if you must deal
with a pig on a daily basis, it's good to know it's name.

And Steve Conlon is a pig.  He may be a disabled pig.  But he's still
a pig.

smn
William Nunn - 19 Oct 2003 16:13 GMT
> >x-no-archive: yes
> >
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> smn

I feel this has implications for the validity of "Martin's" argument against
you, if this is true.
Nathan Jessup - 20 Oct 2003 06:01 GMT
>I feel this has implications for the validity of "Martin's" argument against
>you, if this is true.

William, see my post giving advice that no one use their real name
here. If you need it again just let me know. Look what it got you as
an example. Thank God you didn't give him detailed information.

Nathan Jessup
Nathan Jessup - 19 Oct 2003 19:17 GMT
>He may be a disabled pig.  But he's still
>a pig.

I thought you stated he was a fraud. Now which is this apparent
nemesis of yours? Is he a fraud or a disabled pig?

Nathan Jessup
Stephen Nagler - 19 Oct 2003 17:27 GMT
>>He may be a disabled pig.  But he's still
>>a pig.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Nathan Jessup

..................

You're the fraud, "Nathan."

smn
Abel Aravidze - 19 Oct 2003 19:24 GMT
^On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:56:36 GMT, Stephen Nagler <nagler@tinn.com>
^wrote:
^
^>He may be a disabled pig.  But he's still
^>a pig.
^
^I thought you stated he was a fraud. Now which is this apparent
^nemesis of yours? Is he a fraud or a disabled pig?

What makes you think the two descriptions are mutually exclusive?
^
^Nathan Jessup
Nathan Jessup - 20 Oct 2003 01:02 GMT
>What makes you think the two descriptions are mutually exclusive?

Only because if the guy is a fraud then he can only be a pig [to
Nagler] and not a "disabled pig" as Nagler has charged him with being
a fraud.

Nathan Jessup
Sonny - 19 Oct 2003 21:53 GMT
"And Steve Conlon is a pig.  He may be a disabled pig.  But he's still
a pig."

By your own words you become what you revolt against. This is a sad
day to see these remarks. An MD calling a disabled man a pig. Why do
you play in this sandbox ? Is this the support you speak off even for
the ill ? Even if they are socially inappropiate ? For the love of
God, even if you are justified in feeling the way you do about the man
what good have you wrought by saying he is a disabled pig ?

Sonny
Susan - 19 Oct 2003 22:02 GMT
>By your own words you become what you revolt against. This is a sad
>day to see these remarks. An MD calling a disabled man a pig. Why do
>you play in this sandbox ? Is this the support you speak off even for
>the ill ? Even if they are socially inappropiate ? For the love of
>God, even if you are justified in feeling the way you do about the man
>what good have you wrought by saying he is a disabled pig ?

Couldn't have put this better.  It is sad, dragging everyone into the muck with
them again, Nagler and Conlon.

Susan
Susanne  Sourire - 20 Oct 2003 02:06 GMT
> "And Steve Conlon is a pig.  He may be a disabled pig.  But he's still
> a pig."
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Sonny

Well said, Sonny. It is sad.

Stephen why don't you hold yourself above all this. I have no doubt at
all that you have your reasons for feeling what you do about the man.
Thats not the point. But calling him a disabled pig in public doesn't
help stop this at all. It'll only add fuel to the fire, and really it
isnt a nice thing to say. Cruel things have been said to you too,
sure, but that doesn't mean you have to play the same game. I'd almost
say that if you had left out disabled it would have looked a tiny bit
better - a tiny bit, but being on disability myself, very much against
my own wishes, the word disabled jumps right into the eyes of the me
and probably others too.

And no, I'm not a "Martin" fan. I'm just not a fan of such namecalling
either. No matter who it comes from.

Susanne
TippyPooh - 20 Oct 2003 22:17 GMT
> "And Steve Conlon is a pig.  He may be a disabled pig.  But he's still
> a pig."
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Sonny

Very well said, Sonny. (As susanne has stated) Why in the world would
an "MD" go on a unmoderated board, and spew such hatred toward a man
whom is disabled?
Why? Because he knew it would cause a huge ruckus. Seems the good
"Doctor" thrives on causing problems. Otherwise, he wouldn't be here.
What a psycho.
TP
Ear Ring - 26 Oct 2003 05:42 GMT
You are just a sad old, loser that just can't let things go can you? You
keep trying to entice the old cuts you have inflicted over the years on the
internet to bleed some more. Leave the poor guy alone and get on with the
sad lonely life you have left.

Are you that bored that you need to do this crap? Does your wife reject you
and you need to "kick somebody's a.s" from time to time?

I hope the good people here have seen this act of mental illness from you
and realized the smallest amount truth about you. For criipe's sake get some
help for yourself.

Get some help man! You can't see the forest for the trees. Get some help!

> >x-no-archive: yes
> >
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>
> smn
Nathan Jessup - 28 Oct 2003 14:23 GMT
>You are just a sad old, loser that just can't let things go can you? You
>keep trying to entice the old cuts you have inflicted over the years on the
>internet to bleed some more. Leave the poor guy alone and get on with the
>sad lonely life you have left.

Want to see a record set? Wait till Porky's death and look at the
number of fruit packages delivered with "Wish we could be there with
you...." stuffed in the basket.

Nate
Jim Chinnis - 19 Oct 2003 15:41 GMT
sufein@aol.comnospam (Susan ) wrote in part:

>x-no-archive: yes
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Susan

That's where he came up with the name, "Martin."
Signature

Jim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG

Abel Aravidze - 19 Oct 2003 19:40 GMT
^x-no-archive: yes
^
^
^In article <7j34pv0u4fv6aftj5ljpfue3n3q4t1mpnm@4ax.com>, Stephen Nagler
^<nagler@tinn.com> writes:
^
^>
^>If you use Explorer as your browser, click on "Save Picture As..."
^>
^>Either way, what's the "File name" in the window that pops up?
^>
^
^It could well be that Steve is Martin.  It could also be Steve playing a Martin
^guitar.

But why would Steve choose the filename martin.jpg for a picture of
himself, whatever the make of the guitar. It's not a picture of the
guitar by itself, but Steve holding the guitar. I think it's a pretty
good bet. Martin/Nathan wants to get caught for some reason, and has
already posted his ss# and details about his neighborhood on this
newsgroup.

^
^Susan
Stephen Nagler - 19 Oct 2003 20:10 GMT
>I think it's a pretty
>good bet. Martin/Nathan wants to get caught for some reason...

...........

Nah.  I think it was an oversight.

Same thing happened when Llilly put the face of a woman next to her
posts on the TSMB.  Right click and a file with the name "terri" comes
up.  That's the way we knew they were one and the same, playing off
each other's personae.  An oversight.

smn
terri231@knowspam.mam - 19 Oct 2003 22:00 GMT
>>I think it's a pretty
>>good bet. Martin/Nathan wants to get caught for some reason...
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>smn

You spend a lot of time on that sort of thing, don't you?

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
Elly Byrne - 22 Oct 2003 21:40 GMT
But in less than 1 day the name of the pic had been changed to llilly.

>Same thing happened when Llilly put the face of a woman next to her
>posts on the TSMB.  Right click and a file with the name "terri" comes
>up.

           Tinnitus is a pain in the neck
Elly's Tinnitus Resources
http://www.eebee.net/
http://www.tinnitusrelief.net/

For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net
terri231@knowspam.mam - 22 Oct 2003 22:23 GMT
>But in less than 1 day the name of the pic had been changed to llilly.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net

Try again elly, I haven't changed a thing.  Maybe someone needs to
help you understand the blather he is talking about.

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
terri231@knowspam.mam - 22 Oct 2003 22:31 GMT
>But in less than 1 day the name of the pic had been changed to llilly.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>For email: elly at eebee.cjb.net

The file name always has been llilly.jpg.  Nagler is referring to the
website address which has my name.

And another thing, Elly.  If you want to get in on this game, be
prepared to take what comes your way as well.  You do a much better
service to others staying out of it.

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
Nathan Jessup - 24 Oct 2003 01:24 GMT
>And another thing, Elly.  If you want to get in on this game, be
>prepared to take what comes your way as well.  You do a much better
>service to others staying out of it.

With the troops defecting, calls for even the oldest reserves go out.
Didn't you ever see Hitler patting young children on the head and
shaking the hands of old people as he handed out weapons?

Nate
Susan - 19 Oct 2003 21:54 GMT
>But why would Steve choose the filename martin.jpg for a picture of
>himself, whatever the make of the guitar. It's not a picture of the
>guitar by itself, but Steve holding the guitar.

As I said, Martin could very well be Steve Conlon.  The thought has occurred to
me many times, because the only person I've ever encountered who's as OCD as
Nagler is Conlon.   Then Martin.

Susan
Stephen Nagler - 20 Oct 2003 00:17 GMT
>As I said, Martin could very well be Steve Conlon.  The thought has occurred to
>me many times, because the only person I've ever encountered who's as OCD as
>Nagler is Conlon.   Then Martin.
>
>Susan

...............

You avail yourself of every single opportunity to get in your little
digs, don't you?

An obsession and a compulsion, no?

What a gal.

smn
Susan - 20 Oct 2003 00:21 GMT
>You avail yourself of every single opportunity to get in your little
>digs, don't you?
>
>An obsession and a compulsion, no?

Hardly an obsession nor a compulsion.

But I do want to hold up the mirror when TWO men keep engagine one another in a
way that poisons the atmosphere for everyone, each claiming the higher moral
ground.

Susan
Stephen Nagler - 20 Oct 2003 00:40 GMT
>x-no-archive: yes
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Susan

...............

I am not claiming the higher moral ground here, Susan.

I have publicly acknowledged that I was stupid.

I have publicly acknowledged that I was thoughtless.

I have apologized - both publicly and privately.

What higher moral ground?

If it is claiming the higher moral ground to ask that the acrimony
stop and that this newsgruop be allowed to return to a positive
nurturing force in tinnitus support ... if THAT is claiming the higher
moral ground, then yes -- I guess am guilty of claiming the higher
moral ground.

But short of that, is it so wrong to ask for a little peace and
forgiveness?  Hasn't this gone on long enough?

smn
terri231@knowspam.mam - 20 Oct 2003 00:43 GMT
>>x-no-archive: yes
>>
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>
>smn

Why are you trying to recreate yourself again?  Something happen that
the rest of us don't know about yet?

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
Stephen Nagler - 20 Oct 2003 04:39 GMT
>Why are you trying to recreate yourself again?

...............

I am not trying to recreate myself.  I am trying to improve myself.

................

>Something happen that
>the rest of us don't know about yet?

....................

Only that I figured out who Martin and Nathan Jessup is.  And instead
of feeling elated, I find myself feeling sad for the man.

smn
Abel Aravidze - 20 Oct 2003 04:56 GMT
^On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:40:45 GMT, Stephen Nagler <nagler@tinn.com>
^wrote:
^
^>On 19 Oct 2003 23:21:36 GMT, sufein@aol.comnospam (Susan ) wrote:
^>
^>>x-no-archive: yes
^>>
^>>
^>>In article <qn66pvcsm65f33l8be15muhqsashhr2npo@4ax.com>, Stephen Nagler
^>><nagler@tinn.com> writes:
^>>
^>>>You avail yourself of every single opportunity to get in your little
^>>>digs, don't you?
^>>>
^>>>An obsession and a compulsion, no?
^>>>
^>>
^>>Hardly an obsession nor a compulsion.
^>>
^>>But I do want to hold up the mirror when TWO men keep engagine one another in a
^>>way that poisons the atmosphere for everyone, each claiming the higher moral
^>>ground.
^>>
^>>Susan
^>
^>...............
^>
^>I am not claiming the higher moral ground here, Susan.
^>
^>I have publicly acknowledged that I was stupid.
^>
^>I have publicly acknowledged that I was thoughtless.
^>
^>I have apologized - both publicly and privately.
^>
^>What higher moral ground?
^>
^>If it is claiming the higher moral ground to ask that the acrimony
^>stop and that this newsgruop be allowed to return to a positive
^>nurturing force in tinnitus support ... if THAT is claiming the higher
^>moral ground, then yes -- I guess am guilty of claiming the higher
^>moral ground.
^>
^>But short of that, is it so wrong to ask for a little peace and
^>forgiveness?  Hasn't this gone on long enough?
^>
^>smn
^
^
^Why are you trying to recreate yourself again?  Something happen that
^the rest of us don't know about yet?
^
^Terri

Why shouldn't he try to "recreate" himself? we  all know he's not
perfect as he is. Now why don't you try and "recreate" yourself, or do
you think you are so wonderful as not to require "recreating?"
^
^
^http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
Susan - 20 Oct 2003 01:27 GMT
>If it is claiming the higher moral ground to ask that the acrimony
>stop and that this newsgruop be allowed to return to a positive
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>But short of that, is it so wrong to ask for a little peace and
>forgiveness?  Hasn't this gone on long enough?

It had gone on long enough *before* you started baiting and calling people
names here.  

Which makes it easy for every single person here to understand why any plea for
peace from you, in particular, falls on deaf ears.  Crocodile tears, and all
that, deja vu all over again.

Susan
Stephen Nagler - 20 Oct 2003 01:39 GMT
>It had gone on long enough *before* you started baiting and calling people
>names here.  
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Susan

...............

It would be nice if you would be part of the solution, Susan.

I am asking you, please.

smn
Susan - 20 Oct 2003 01:45 GMT
>It would be nice if you would be part of the solution, Susan.
>
>I am asking you, please.

I believe I am.

Now it's your turn.

Stop preaching from the mount and start acting like a mensch.

Susan
Stephen Nagler - 20 Oct 2003 01:55 GMT
>I believe I am.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Susan

................

Just stop cutting me off at the knees when I try.  OK?  Fair enough?

smn
Susan - 20 Oct 2003 02:29 GMT
>Just stop cutting me off at the knees when I try.  OK?  Fair enough?

I don't take you to task when you *try*.  How about you stop worrying about how
unfair everyone else is and how we should all behave, and maintain your own
efforts consistently, and for good?
 
Susan
Stephen Nagler - 20 Oct 2003 04:01 GMT
> How about you stop worrying about how
>unfair everyone else is and how we should all behave, and maintain your own
>efforts consistently, and for good?
>  
>Susan

.................

We could all do with some of that.

smn
Nathan Jessup - 20 Oct 2003 22:39 GMT
>But why would Steve choose the filename martin.jpg for a picture of
>himself, whatever the make of the guitar. It's not a picture of the
>guitar by itself, but Steve holding the guitar.

That's what made me laugh when I saw his post.

Nathan Jessup
Abel Aravidze - 21 Oct 2003 14:56 GMT
^On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:40:47 GMT, Abel Aravidze <abelarav@com.net>
^wrote:
^
^>But why would Steve choose the filename martin.jpg for a picture of
^>himself, whatever the make of the guitar. It's not a picture of the
^>guitar by itself, but Steve holding the guitar.
^
^That's what made me laugh when I saw his post.

Well, then, you have a rather stupid sense of humor. It's what
demonstrates that you probably are Steve Conlon. No one would name a
picture of himself after the brand name of the guitar he is holding.
If I post the info I referred to earlier, a third party looks it up,
and it turns out to prove that "Martin" is Steve Conlon, will you
leave and never return?

^
^Nathan Jessup
^
^
^
PaulS - 21 Oct 2003 15:58 GMT
> If I post the info I referred to earlier, a third party looks it up,
> and it turns out to prove that "Martin" is Steve Conlon, will you
> leave and never return?
> ^Nathan Jessup

It is Conlon. You don't have to post anything. Just read the web page that
preceeded the picture (martin.jpg), not the one displayed with the picture.
PaulS - 19 Oct 2003 20:42 GMT
Steve does/had owned a Martin. He was pretty active on alt.guitar where, as
here, he was admonished by some for posting off topic political garbage.

Try this picture http://my.en.com/~jeffm/stevec.html
terri231@knowspam.mam - 19 Oct 2003 22:06 GMT
>Steve does/had owned a Martin. He was pretty active on alt.guitar where, as
>here, he was admonished by some for posting off topic political garbage.
>
>Try this picture http://my.en.com/~jeffm/stevec.html

Maybe he had a goldfish named Martin, too.  What difference does it
make?  If I were him I wouldn't use my real name around Nagler.  Just
a few weeks ago Nagler threatened to try to have someone's disability
taken away just because he hates the person.  That certainly isn't the
behavior of a person that cares about people.

If Nagler thinks someone is Conlon and can't stand Conlon, why not
just ignore him?

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
Stephen Nagler - 20 Oct 2003 01:02 GMT
>Maybe he had a goldfish named Martin, too.  What difference does it
>make?  If I were him I wouldn't use my real name around Nagler.  Just
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Terri

................

Let's just try to make this newsgroup a better place for everybody,
Terri.

Please, let's try.

smn
terri231@knowspam.mam - 20 Oct 2003 01:09 GMT
>>Maybe he had a goldfish named Martin, too.  What difference does it
>>make?  If I were him I wouldn't use my real name around Nagler.  Just
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>smn

Forgive me for doubting your sincerity since we've been down this road
several times before.

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
Stephen Nagler - 20 Oct 2003 05:12 GMT
>Forgive me for doubting your sincerity since we've been down this road
>several times before.

..............

OK, I'll forgive you for doubting my sincerity.

Now let's both try to contribute productively and make this a better
place for everybody.

smn
TippyPooh - 21 Oct 2003 21:12 GMT
> >Maybe he had a goldfish named Martin, too.  What difference does it
> >make?  If I were him I wouldn't use my real name around Nagler.  Just
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> smn

You're the one who started this thread, a.shole. Now you want peace
and harmony? Get real, you moron. Or better yet, get a f****** life.
TP
Stephen Nagler - 21 Oct 2003 21:20 GMT
>You're the one who started this thread, a.shole. Now you want peace
>and harmony? Get real, you moron. Or better yet, get a f****** life.
>TP

................

Like I said, I discovered who Martin is and my elation quickly turned
to sadness.

Would you like to try to make this place better ... or do you want to
perpetuate the acrimony?

Yes, I want peace and harmony.  It's not a crime.

Be a part of the solution.

smn
Susan - 21 Oct 2003 23:26 GMT
>Like I said, I discovered who Martin is and my elation quickly turned
>to sadness.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Be a part of the solution.

Stephen, if that's what you really want to be, then you must stop posting
threads and responses like this.

Just say no to OT posts.

Susan
Stephen Nagler - 21 Oct 2003 23:45 GMT
>Stephen, if that's what you really want to be, then you must stop posting
>threads and responses like this.
>
>Just say no to OT posts.
>
>Susan

................

Will try.

Thnx.

smn
Nathan Jessup - 22 Oct 2003 00:38 GMT
>Like I said, I discovered who Martin is and my elation quickly turned
>to sadness.

I'm confused. I thought you knew already and had reported fraud to the
authorities. Now you know again and you are sad? You went from "pig"
to "walk with me" this weekend. What were you at, a retreat..LOL!

I think Prozac can help these moments that are blue. I am begging you
to stop claiming these mythical phone calls take place, that
"countless phone calls" and "countless letters" were written and to
find a program that can help you.

I think it could be a 12 step program or maybe just a few step off a
short pier. Either one would help the state that you are now in.  

Nate

P.S. Is Terri someone named Mary? Or is she Lilly? Or is she posting
as "Kelly." Perhaps you have a new affliction for the DSM. Terri,
could we add "Paranoia du jour" to the ICD? ROTFLMAO!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124259/
TippyPooh - 22 Oct 2003 03:50 GMT
> >You're the one who started this thread, a.shole. Now you want peace
> >and harmony? Get real, you moron. Or better yet, get a f****** life.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> smn

Why don't you be a part of the solution? How about ,oh say, leaving
for good, like you have promised about 1,000,000 times already? Now
there's a solution.
TP
PaulS - 20 Oct 2003 01:11 GMT
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:42:08 -0400,

I'm not sure about all of that. But you're right about one thing ..... There
was no real good reason for my post. It happens now and then.

PaulS
BruceMeyerz - 20 Oct 2003 06:55 GMT
> >Steve does/had owned a Martin. He was pretty active on alt.guitar where, as
> >here, he was admonished by some for posting off topic political garbage.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> taken away just because he hates the person.  That certainly isn't the
> behavior of a person that cares about people.

Really? Just a few weeks ago? Who was that?

Bruce

> If Nagler thinks someone is Conlon and can't stand Conlon, why not
> just ignore him?
>
> Terri
>
> http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
BruceMeyerz - 21 Oct 2003 04:07 GMT
> > >Steve does/had owned a Martin. He was pretty active on alt.guitar where, as
> > >here, he was admonished by some for posting off topic political garbage.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Bruce

Does anyone have any real info on this "threat" of "a few weeks ago "or is
this only more contrived flame war fodder from Terri?

Bruce
Nathan Jessup - 21 Oct 2003 06:33 GMT
>Does anyone have any real info on this "threat" of "a few weeks ago "or is
>this only more contrived flame war fodder from Terri?

Was your server down or something? Nagler was demanding "name and
address" so he could sue a few people.

There was some insane raving about "Christmas in August."

http://www.google.com

Enjoy yourself as you see more threats from Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hide.

Nathan Jessup - few people here can handle the truth
Abel Aravidze - 21 Oct 2003 15:01 GMT
^On 20 Oct 2003 20:07:00 -0700, brucemeyerz@yahoo.com (BruceMeyerz)
^wrote:
^
^>Does anyone have any real info on this "threat" of "a few weeks ago "or is
^>this only more contrived flame war fodder from Terri?
^
^Was your server down or something? Nagler was demanding "name and
^address" so he could sue a few people.

That's not a "threat," dumb f.ck. That's a "demand," which Nagler made
no "threat" in order to achieve. This is the problem with the way you
and that idiot, Terri, think. A"demand" is a "threat" because he might
use the info he "demanded" to file a lawsuit. Soon, you will claim
that it wasn't a "threat," but an "attack," or a "thfet" of property
because his "demand" might lead to the "threat" of a lawsuit which
might result in loss of property.

^
^There was some insane raving about "Christmas in August."
^
^http://www.google.com
^
^Enjoy yourself as you see more threats from Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hide.
^
^Nathan Jessup - few people here can handle the truth
ENTconsult - 23 Oct 2003 04:12 GMT
Teri, why can't you be truthful for once?
Nagler was responding to the most vile, racial insults ever mentioned here. Any
self respecting person would want the name of a person perpetrating such vile
racial / religous insults.
Tell the truth. He wanted to report that person, wouldn't you?
Don't twist it around to a lie.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
http://www.hydromedonline.com
terri231@knowspam.mam - 23 Oct 2003 10:54 GMT
>Teri, why can't you be truthful for once?
>Nagler was responding to the most vile, racial insults ever mentioned here. Any
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Don't twist it around to a lie.
>Murray Grossan, M.D.

I would be smart enough not to let people jerk my chain for the
umpteenth time.

So which is it?  Am I "not being truthful" or was he responding to
insults?  The insults didn't come from the person he is purporting to
be Steve Conlon, so I don't see the connection there, either.

Terri
http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
PaulS - 23 Oct 2003 15:26 GMT
> On 23 Oct 2003 03:12:52 GMT,
> I would be smart enough not to let people jerk my chain for the
> umpteenth time.

You've had your chain jerked daily and can't see it. So much for 'smarts'!

PaulS
terri231@knowspam.mam - 23 Oct 2003 21:48 GMT
>> On 23 Oct 2003 03:12:52 GMT,
>> I would be smart enough not to let people jerk my chain for the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>PaulS

That shows how much you know.

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
BruceMeyerz - 21 Oct 2003 17:23 GMT
> >Does anyone have any real info on this "threat" of "a few weeks ago "or is
> >this only more contrived flame war fodder from Terri?
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Nathan Jessup - few people here can handle the truth

I did the search with "Christmas in August" and there were absolutely
no threats there. None. So, once again I find myself asking you or
Terri to prove
the charge that Nagler made the "threat" "a few weeks ago."
So far, you two are batting .000 with your evidence in these matters
and Google has not
been your friend.
Will this issue be any different?

Bruce
terri231@knowspam.mam - 21 Oct 2003 22:01 GMT
>> >Does anyone have any real info on this "threat" of "a few weeks ago "or is
>> >this only more contrived flame war fodder from Terri?
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
>Bruce

Why in the world would you search "Christmas in August" and expect to
find anything?  I can't do your thinking for you, Bruce.  

Here's a start for your collection.  You have to read the other
threads of that time to get the full flavor of his threats but Bruce,
I can't do that for you.  Perhaps Paul or Abel have some time to help
you out?

--------------------------------
From: Stephen Nagler (nagler@tinn.com)
Subject: Re: Tinnitus - SS - and deleted posts
View: Complete Thread (36 articles)  
Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.support.tinnitus
Date: 2003-08-29 08:03:07 PST


>I can't imagine why the gov't would pursue a fraud case against Conlon based
>upon your ravings and intentional infliction of emotional harm and distress.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Just more of your spiteful slander.  Sorry the rest of your life is in such a
>pathetic, miserable state that you're back here trying to find puppies to kick.

..............

A two-year campaign against me and my family by a very capABLE person
who has defrauded the government (IMO) is enough for me to request an
investigation.  Whether the government pursues it is not up to me.  In
Lix's case, the government pursued.  In Conlon's case - who knows.

.................

>Lix and Conlon are not in the least bit comparable.

.................

They are brothers under the skin.

.................

>  Lix was strictly a
>harasser and criminal in his behavior.

.................

And Conlon actually acts where Lix only threatened.  

..............

>Conlon had a legitimate reason to be here, tried to post helpful info for
>others who might need disability, and was viciously harassed by you on this
>"support" forum.  He was defending himself against you from then on.  

.................

He is a fraud - in my opinion.  And you are an enabler.

...............

>You're trying to take a low swipe at me for collecting disability legitimately?
> (I continue to pay taxes on all of it, BTW.)

...............

Not taking any sort of low swipe at you.  Just commenting that you are
biased.

...............

>What I have isn't bias, as if all disabled people are the malingerers you
>continue to imply we are.  I have years of professional advocacy for disability
>benefits for disabled adults behind me, too.  
>
>What I have is knowledge, to combat the ignorance (and animus) you so
>frequently and flamboyantly display here about SSDI eligibility.

................

I am not going to get into a pissing match with a disabled person.  My
heart goes out to you in that regard.  All I am saying is that in my
opinion Conlon has committed fraud against the US government -
unfairly laying claim to taking that taxpayer money you referred to
above.  Was I fully prepared to let things lie?  Sure.  But after two
years Conlon's of demonstrating how ABLE he is (in my opinion), I have
decided to do something about it.

I have decided something else - I have decided that I am through
talking about it.

smn

-------------------------

In case you don't get the threat, Bruce, it is tied into the last
sentence of the second to the last paragraph above that begins with
the words "But after two years..."

No thanks necessary, but get cracking on doing the rest of the
research on your own.

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
Paul - 22 Oct 2003 19:28 GMT
> >> >Does anyone have any real info on this "threat" of "a few weeks ago "or is
> >> >this only more contrived flame war fodder from Terri?
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> I can't do that for you.  Perhaps Paul or Abel have some time to help
> you out?

Terri ... the ONLY time I've quoted ANYTHING from
 the archives in this group was when I quoted MYSELF
 to prove an accusation by YOU to be incorrect.  

I don't have a taste for that rehashing crap that
 so many here have.  I'm not sure where you may
 have gotten the idea to the contrary.



Paul

> --------------------------------
> From: Stephen Nagler (nagler@tinn.com)
[quoted text clipped - 93 lines]
>
> http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
PaulS - 22 Oct 2003 20:31 GMT
>  Terri ... the ONLY time I've quoted ANYTHING from
>   the archives in this group was when I quoted MYSELF
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Paul

She may be referring to me. I don't think you've made the Enemies
List....yet :-).. But then again, who knows?

PaulS
terri231@knowspam.mam - 22 Oct 2003 22:27 GMT
>>  Terri ... the ONLY time I've quoted ANYTHING from
>>   the archives in this group was when I quoted MYSELF
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>PaulS

I like the idea that it can be either one of you.  I have a "people
needing help" list, not an enemies list, however.

As Martin would say, "I'm here to help".

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
terri231@knowspam.mam - 22 Oct 2003 22:25 GMT
>> >> >Does anyone have any real info on this "threat" of "a few weeks ago "or is
>> >> >this only more contrived flame war fodder from Terri?
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
>Paul

Where did I say you quoted archives?  I thought you had time to help
him with his quest.  I don't.

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
BruceMeyerz - 22 Oct 2003 04:11 GMT
> > >Does anyone have any real info on this "threat" of "a few weeks ago "or is
> > >this only more contrived flame war fodder from Terri?
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Bruce

From: terri231@knowspam.mam  
Newsgroups: alt.support.tinnitus  

Terri wrote:
Why in the world would you search "Christmas in August" and expect to
find anything?  I can't do your thinking for you, Bruce.  

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

That's where Jessup/Conlon told me to look. "Christmas In August".
See his post above.
I can't do your thinking for you either, Terri-Lllilly. You're much
too dishonest. You'll have to mislead by your own devices.
Now that you and he have finally provided a relevant truly disgusting
post of Nagler's I can see the last two sentences in which a threat or
claim of
action was made in the last few weeks.
Hey, why don't you take your "All Flame Nagler All The Time" campaign
to your
board for awhile and give ast a break for a while.

Bruce
terri231@knowspam.mam - 22 Oct 2003 11:55 GMT
>> > >Does anyone have any real info on this "threat" of "a few weeks ago "or is
>> > >this only more contrived flame war fodder from Terri?
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
>
>Bruce

I never thought you really wanted "proof" even though it is provided
and don't expect you to say "I guess you were right and I was wrong".

And, I just returned from a two week break -- didn't you miss me?

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
BruceMeyerz - 23 Oct 2003 01:02 GMT
> >> > >Does anyone have any real info on this "threat" of "a few weeks ago "or is
> >> > >this only more contrived flame war fodder from Terri?
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>
> I never thought you really wanted "proof"

I can't do your thinking for you, llilly.
I asked three times.

> even though it is provided

Finally after I asked for it three times including once after
getting a bum steer from Conlon that led to a thread with no
threat. Even then it came with a lot of crap from you.
Why do you find accountability such a.... "threat" here at ast?

> and don't expect you to say "I guess you were right and I was wrong".

It's not wrong to ask people to substantiate their incriminations
of other people in a public forum. Furthermore, when the proof was
finally provided I acknowledged it. Something you have never done.
Now, at your very own board you wouldn't have this sticky little
accountability problem. Imagine, make or make up any charge against
Nagler you desire with no protests following.

> And, I just returned from a two week break -- didn't you miss me?
>
> Terri

Really? Then someone has been using your "Terri" screen name for
the last few days here, llilly. You might want to look into it.
Or did you post your flames from the road while on a vacation
again like you did this last summer?
Gotta flame Nagler
Gotta flame Nagler
Gotta flame Nagler

> http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport

A great site to continue your "All Flame Nagler All The Time"
campaign. You could even have a Flame Nagler Here Page.

Bruce
terri231@knowspam.mam - 23 Oct 2003 01:50 GMT
Get off your high horse, Bruce-Willy.  It's there.  Your refusal to
see it is no shock to me or anyone else that follows your
genuflecting.  You aren't defending Nagler?-- hic...wot a juke.

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
BruceMeyerz - 23 Oct 2003 17:17 GMT
> Get off your high horse, Bruce-Willy.  It's there.  Your refusal to
> see it is no shock to me or anyone else that follows your
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport

llilly,
Your refusal to acknowledge my postings that I "see it"
is typical of your deceptions, is your M.O. and no surprise to anyone.
Why do you need to lie so much to support your positions?

Willy
terri231@knowspam.mam - 23 Oct 2003 21:49 GMT
>> Get off your high horse, Bruce-Willy.  It's there.  Your refusal to
>> see it is no shock to me or anyone else that follows your
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Willy

What deceptions?  Let's see the proof?

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
PaulS - 23 Oct 2003 22:02 GMT
> llilly,
> Why do you need to lie so much to support your positions?

Bruce, She's either baiting people or has an unhealthy need to be "right".
Either way, using reason and/or rational questions are exercises in
futility.

PaulS
terri231@knowspam.mam - 23 Oct 2003 22:03 GMT
>> llilly,
>> Why do you need to lie so much to support your positions?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>PaulS

Bruce,  PaulS likes to talk about me like I'm not here.

Terri
http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
PaulS - 24 Oct 2003 04:19 GMT
> Bruce,  PaulS likes to talk about me like I'm not here.
>
> Terri

I keep hoping.

PS
terri231@knowspam.mam - 24 Oct 2003 06:52 GMT
>> Bruce,  PaulS likes to talk about me like I'm not here.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>PS

Now you know how I feel.

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
Nathan Jessup - 24 Oct 2003 01:19 GMT
>Why do you need to lie so much to support your positions?
>
>Willy

Out of oats there, Bruce?

Nathan Jessup - wake up and smell the war
Nathan Jessup - 20 Oct 2003 00:58 GMT
>It could well be that Steve is Martin

I now understand Nagler's confusion.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000188/

Nathan Jessup
terri231@knowspam.mam - 19 Oct 2003 23:08 GMT
>>It could well be that Steve is Martin
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Nathan Jessup

I didn't know he was disabled, Nathan.

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
William Nunn - 20 Oct 2003 17:09 GMT
> >>It could well be that Steve is Martin
> >
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport

I think it goes for myself too, I will seek to raise the bar here, try to
make it more refined.
Nathan Jessup - 19 Oct 2003 19:15 GMT
>Well here's a surprise!

Here is another picture of Martin:

http://www.sakoda.org/Art/martin.jpg

And another:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001445/

And one more:

http://www.life.com/Life/mlk/mlkpics.html

I am begging you to get help. Terri, please speak with him.

Nathan Jessup


 
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