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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / October 2003O/T Howard...why don't you reply
Howard, are you in the habit of accusing people of not replying and then doing so yourself? I asked you why you felt it was so important that someone's name and address be behind what they say. I'm waiting. Nathan Jessup You are the only person I've "accused" of not replying. And I've done that twice. So hardly a habit. To answer your question. To me using a real name gives you credibility. I don't care about your address. You lack that credibility because of your use of musical names, regardless of your demonstrated obsessions. Howard N. Gutnick > Howard, are you in the habit of accusing people of not replying and > then doing so yourself? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Nathan Jessup >To me using a real name gives you credibility. A lovely platitude. Now, tell me why? I say it means nothing to have a real name. What if Sue Fein were not really Sue Fein. Or if Jeff Radom was not really Jeff Radom. Or if Bruce Myers [AKA Oat Willie] were not Bruce Myers. OR.....if Stephen Nagler were not really named Stephen Nagler. Would anything change? I say nothing would change at all. The onus is on you to tell us why it gives credibility. I say the words one writes are what is important. Ever hear of Mark Twain? Nathan Jessup A real name isn't particularly important. But the name Mark Twain was the only nom de plume of Samuel Clemens as far as I know. You play musical chairs with your names. Why have you found that to be necessary? Howard N. Gutnick > >To me using a real name gives you credibility. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Nathan Jessup >A real name isn't particularly important. But the name Mark Twain was the >only nom de plume of Samuel Clemens as far as I know. You play musical >chairs with your names. Why have you found that to be necessary? > >Howard N. Gutnick Why does it matter since you know who it is anyway? Terri http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport >You play musical >chairs with your names. You seem to have me confused with someone else. Do tell what names I have played "musical chairs" with Howard. Speculate with three in the last year. Nathan Jessup P.S. Nice dodge. Don't throw your back out. Martin Aquinas, Martin any number of other cutsey surnames, Martin Sussman Aquinas, and now Nathan Jessup. Howard N. Gutnick > >You play musical > >chairs with your names. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > P.S. Nice dodge. Don't throw your back out. >Martin Aquinas, Martin any number of other cutsey surnames, Martin Sussman >Aquinas, and now Nathan Jessup. Sorry Howie, but any post I saw with "Martin" had the same e-mail address, organization address, and reply address. So that name could be filtered. Now, who else do you think I am posting under? Nathan Jessup - "Muzzy wanted a name. He got a name. He can't handle the truth" Please let me get this straight so that I fully understand. Are you now saying that the person now posting as "Nathan Jessup" was not previously posting as "Martin"? That's enough of this nonsense, Steve. I'm positive that Social Security has your legal name and address so that you can receive your disability checks. And that's all that is important. Howard N. Gutnick > >Martin Aquinas, Martin any number of other cutsey surnames, Martin Sussman > >Aquinas, and now Nathan Jessup. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Nathan Jessup - "Muzzy wanted a name. He got a name. He can't handle > the truth" >That's enough of this nonsense, Steve. I'm positive that Social Security has >your legal name and address so that you can receive your disability checks. >And that's all that is important. .................. That's all that's important to Steve Conlon. He doesn't give a crap about anything else or anybody else. He gets a free ride from the government and uses the abilities that he convinced the government he doesn't have ... to unleash a what has been nothing short of a plague on this newsgroup for years and years. Sounds like I'm bitter? I am. Sounds like I'm spiteful? I am. Sounds like I'm right? I am. You know that infamous "Letter to the Judge" that I never sent? I wrote it because I asked Steve Conlon to *CONSIDER* masking or TRT as a means to obtain some relief from his tinnitus and possibly even rejoin the workforce. I didn't ask him to go to a masking center or a TRT center. I merely asked him to CONSIDER it. He refused. He refused to even THINK about it. I then offered to treat Steve myself at absolutely no charge and even pay for his (and his wife's) airfare and hotel accommodations in Atlanta. He refused. I wrote that "Letter to the Judge" because this is a man who PREFERS to be on Social Security disability at taxpayer expense rather than to even CONSIDER a means to relief. Susan said it best in a post earlier today: >I have the same >concerns as Jim about all measures being attempted first, as a disabled person >and as an advocate for disabled people. And I didn't even say Steve need "attempt" masking or TRT - all I asked is that he CONSIDER it. Hell, he didn't even need to leave the chair in front of his computer monitor to do that! So .... for a letter I never sent and for which I apologized - Steve Conlon has committed himself to destroying this newsgroup. One of the tragedies here is than in the process of doing so, he has likely destroyed himself. smn >Sounds like I'm bitter? I am. > >Sounds like I'm spiteful? I am. As usual. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Susan ................. Sounds like I'm right? I am. smn > . > ............... > > Sounds like I'm right? I am. > > smn This is, to say the least, disturbing. You would have been wise to never attempt a discussion/defense of that episode. But then, a little wisdom would have prevented it. Jeff >You would have been wise to never >attempt a discussion/defense of that episode. But then, a little wisdom >would have prevented it. .............. I would have been wise to prevent it. But the episode has grown so incredible out of proportion thanks to Steve Conlon's and his enablers' lies about it, that once or twice a year I feel it not unreasonable to tell the truth - even though that truth is not particularly flattering to me. smn >Sounds like I'm right? I am. Sadly this appears to be what matters most to you. Susan >Sadly this appears to be what matters most to you. > >Susan ................ Nope. What is most important to me are the health of my family, the hope of a brighter tomorrow, and the spiritual wellness of my fellow man. I screw up sometimes. I sometimes get so carried away that I do not see the forest for the trees. But those are the things that are important to me. smn >What is most important to me are the health of my family, the hope of >a brighter tomorrow, and the spiritual wellness of my fellow man. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >But those are the things that are important to me. Then perhaps you should consider how your family would feel reading your uglier posts on ast. Before you post them. Susan ^On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:50:27 -0400, "Howard N. Gutnick" ^<hgutnick@hotmail.com> wrote: ^ ^ ^>That's enough of this nonsense, Steve. I'm positive that Social Security has ^>your legal name and address so that you can receive your disability checks. ^>And that's all that is important. ^ ^.................. ^ ^That's all that's important to Steve Conlon. ^ ^He doesn't give a crap about anything else or anybody else. He gets a ^free ride from the government and uses the abilities that he convinced ^the government he doesn't have ... to unleash a what has been nothing ^short of a plague on this newsgroup for years and years. ^ ^Sounds like I'm bitter? I am. ^ ^Sounds like I'm spiteful? I am. ^ ^Sounds like I'm right? I am. ^ ^You know that infamous "Letter to the Judge" that I never sent? I ^wrote it because I asked Steve Conlon to *CONSIDER* masking or TRT as ^a means to obtain some relief from his tinnitus and possibly even ^rejoin the workforce. I didn't ask him to go to a masking center or a ^TRT center. I merely asked him to CONSIDER it. He refused. He ^refused to even THINK about it. I then offered to treat Steve myself ^at absolutely no charge and even pay for his (and his wife's) airfare ^and hotel accommodations in Atlanta. He refused. I wrote that ^"Letter to the Judge" because this is a man who PREFERS to be on ^Social Security disability at taxpayer expense rather than to even ^CONSIDER a means to relief. Well, don't you think that this attempt at "reverse psychology," even if you were well intentioned, was an incredibly stupid thing to do? Why didn't you just send him to another doctor, and refuse to fill out his disability form? The "General George Patton" approach works better with frightened, but physically fit, soldiers than it does with patients. Chalk it up to experience, and move on. ^ ^Susan said it best in a post earlier today: ^ ^>I have the same ^>concerns as Jim about all measures being attempted first, as a disabled person ^>and as an advocate for disabled people. ^ ^And I didn't even say Steve need "attempt" masking or TRT - all I ^asked is that he CONSIDER it. Hell, he didn't even need to leave the ^chair in front of his computer monitor to do that! ^ ^So .... for a letter I never sent and for which I apologized - Steve ^Conlon has committed himself to destroying this newsgroup. ^ ^One of the tragedies here is than in the process of doing so, he has ^likely destroyed himself. ^ ^smn >Well, don't you think that this attempt at "reverse psychology," even >if you were well intentioned, was an incredibly stupid thing to do? ............... Yes. Stupid and thoughtless. .................. >Why didn't you just send him to another doctor, and refuse to fill out >his disability form? ................. I never had a disability form to fill out. He sent me his medical records and asked me to advise him on how to get "own occupation" benefits from a policy he had through work. I did so, and he successfully obtained those benefits, benefits which he clearly deserved in my opinion. (That's how I got his Social Security number, incidentally. It was on his medical records, which he voluntarily sent me.) *Subsequently* he also successfully obtained Social Security disability benefits for being *totally* disabled. I had nothing to do with that. ..................... >The "General George Patton" approach works better >with frightened, but physically fit, soldiers than it does with >patients. ................. I agree with you. ................ >Chalk it up to experience, and move on. ........................ I have tried to move on. I have apologized and admitted my shortcomings. I try my best to post on-topic. He's the one who plagues this newsgroup and won't move on. smn >I have tried to move on. I have apologized and admitted my >shortcomings. I try my best to post on-topic. > >He's the one who plagues this newsgroup and won't move on. I'd say you two are pretty equally matched there. You both devote more energy to conflict, revenge and spite than to T support. Susan >I'd say you two are pretty equally matched there. You both devote more energy >to conflict, revenge and spite than to T support. .............. Actually most of my energy is spent on ignoring my attackers. Most of the rest is spent of defending myself and - rarely - counterattacking. If there were more tinnitus-related topics here, I'd likely offer more support. Would YOU perhaps like to raise a tinnitus-related issue? smn >>I'd say you two are pretty equally matched there. You both devote more energy >>to conflict, revenge and spite than to T support. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >smn Now we enter the "poor Stephen" phase which will be followed closely by the "they made me act this way" phase. Terri http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport > >>I'd say you two are pretty equally matched there. You both devote more energy > >>to conflict, revenge and spite than to T support. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Terri "If you wish to remove a cloud from your life you do not have to make a big deal about it, just do it" From "The Reluctant Messiah" Author "Richard Bach" Excellent Book, Also wrote Jonathan Livingston Segal >Actually most of my energy is spent on ignoring my attackers < Stephen, If you want to ignore your attackers, it should not require most of your energy. Simply do it, it should require none of your energy. IMHO Of course Robin >Stephen, If you want to ignore your attackers, it should not require most of >your energy. Simply do it, it should require none of your energy. .............. Robin, my attackers call me ten and twenty times at home in the middle of the night worrying my wife and frightening my children, they interfere(d) with the running of my clinic, they harrass(ed) my office staff, they write letters full of lies and slander about me to my colleagues and my friends, and they try to interfere with my ability to make a living. It takes much of my energy to ignore them. But I will do better. smn >>Stephen, If you want to ignore your attackers, it should not require most of >>your energy. Simply do it, it should require none of your energy. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >smn You've played the victim card already. For the next three days it is going to be all about you -- how you are the victim, how everyone else "makes you" behave badly, how we should all forgive and forget and start anew until someone crosses you again and you will feel justified in calling them a disabled pig, etc. You can't break this cycle alone. Terri http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport >You've played the victim card already. For the next three days it is >going to be all about you -- how you are the victim, how everyone else [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >You can't break this cycle alone. .................. Terri, I never claimed that anybody "makes me" behave one way or the other. I own my shortcomings and have never said otherwise. Please join with me in being part of the solution here. There has been enough acrimony, enough bitterness. smn >You've played the victim card already. For the next three days it is >going to be all about you -- how you are the victim, how everyone else [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >You can't break this cycle alone. Terri, this is just an observation. But look again how the pattern was the same: 1- attack with 100% certainty 2- hope for support that does not appear 3- more "friends" turn on him 4- those that rightly despise him bring up his forgotten past 5- The MLK/Ghandi/Rodney King persona appears with "I'm only human...take my hand...walk with me for a tinnitus cure...offer support with me." 6- Someone mysteriously appears and asks questions that he gives such loving and kind answers to. But just mere moments after calling a disabled person a pig. This is so, so sad. I don't believe the phone calls, the letters, or any other statements of people attacking him. I even think that it is possible that they do appear to be real to him though. That is how much I believe he needs to get some professional help. He has gone from a French Revolutionary screaming "J'accuse" to a man with his own head in the guillotine within 24 hours and begging for mercy. This is just not what I would consider normal. The real bigger question was what is he doing searching internet pictures to see what they are named. I'd hate to think this apparent OCD could have caused problems elsewhere. I see his situation as only getting more dire. If he is on another forum that you are on and someone is able to speak with him, please back door a message and see if they can talk some sense into him. For his own good I think he needs to turn the computer off. This is like continually reliving Bill Clinton: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" [time passes] "I did in fact have a relationship with Monica Lewinsky." I think that Nagler must be cut from the same cloth. And it is a cloth I do not wish to wash with. Nathan Jessup >>You've played the victim card already. For the next three days it is >>going to be all about you -- how you are the victim, how everyone else [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >loving and kind answers to. But just mere moments after calling a >disabled person a pig. The "Help me Dr. Nagler"and "Thank you Dr. Nagler" are always my personal favorites as far as demonstrating the depth of his narcissism. Terri http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport >The "Help me Dr. Nagler"and "Thank you Dr. Nagler" are always my >personal favorites as far as demonstrating the depth of his >narcissism. Yeah, I know. It's a rootin-tootin good time to see the plant appear like Pucsatawnee Phil. Nathan Jessup >The "Help me Dr. Nagler"and "Thank you Dr. Nagler" are always my >personal favorites as far as demonstrating the depth of his >narcissism. Orgasms are funny things, now aren't they...HA! Nathan Jessup ^On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:45:34 -0400, Nathan Jessup <> wrote: ^ ^> ^>>You've played the victim card already. For the next three days it is ^>>going to be all about you -- how you are the victim, how everyone else ^>>"makes you" behave badly, how we should all forgive and forget and ^>>start anew until someone crosses you again and you will feel justified ^>>in calling them a disabled pig, etc. ^>> ^>>You can't break this cycle alone. ^> ^>Terri, this is just an observation. But look again how the pattern was ^>the same: ^> ^>1- attack with 100% certainty ^>2- hope for support that does not appear ^>3- more "friends" turn on him ^>4- those that rightly despise him bring up his forgotten past ^>5- The MLK/Ghandi/Rodney King persona appears with "I'm only ^>human...take my hand...walk with me for a tinnitus cure...offer ^>support with me." ^>6- Someone mysteriously appears and asks questions that he gives such ^>loving and kind answers to. But just mere moments after calling a ^>disabled person a pig. ^> ^The "Help me Dr. Nagler"and "Thank you Dr. Nagler" are always my ^personal favorites as far as demonstrating the depth of his ^narcissism. The "f.ck you Dr. Nagler no matter what you say or do" is your stock in trade, Terri. Why don't you leave Conlon and Nagler to do their "dance of death" alone, without your "help." Or do you get your jollies this way? ^ ^Terri ^ ^http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport >^On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:45:34 -0400, Nathan Jessup <> wrote: >^ [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >^ >^http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport I never use language like that and I have don't know anyone on ast named Conlon. I know of Conlon from the archives, but that is it. Why don't you take your own advice and mind your own business? Oh..it's just do as I say, not as I do. Terri http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport ^On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:51:33 GMT, Abel Aravidze <abelarav@net.com> ^wrote: ^ ^> ^>^On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:45:34 -0400, Nathan Jessup <> wrote: ^>^ ^>^> ^>^>>You've played the victim card already. For the next three days it is ^>^>>going to be all about you -- how you are the victim, how everyone else ^>^>>"makes you" behave badly, how we should all forgive and forget and ^>^>>start anew until someone crosses you again and you will feel justified ^>^>>in calling them a disabled pig, etc. ^>^>> ^>^>>You can't break this cycle alone. ^>^> ^>^>Terri, this is just an observation. But look again how the pattern was ^>^>the same: ^>^> ^>^>1- attack with 100% certainty ^>^>2- hope for support that does not appear ^>^>3- more "friends" turn on him ^>^>4- those that rightly despise him bring up his forgotten past ^>^>5- The MLK/Ghandi/Rodney King persona appears with "I'm only ^>^>human...take my hand...walk with me for a tinnitus cure...offer ^>^>support with me." ^>^>6- Someone mysteriously appears and asks questions that he gives such ^>^>loving and kind answers to. But just mere moments after calling a ^>^>disabled person a pig. ^>^> ^>^The "Help me Dr. Nagler"and "Thank you Dr. Nagler" are always my ^>^personal favorites as far as demonstrating the depth of his ^>^narcissism. ^> ^>The "f.ck you Dr. Nagler no matter what you say or do" is your stock ^>in trade, Terri. Why don't you leave Conlon and Nagler to do their ^>"dance of death" alone, without your "help." Or do you get your ^>jollies this way? ^> ^>^ ^>^Terri ^>^ ^>^http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport ^> ^ ^I never use language like that and I have don't know anyone on ast ^named Conlon. I know of Conlon from the archives, but that is it. The point is not whether you've used language like that, as you so stupidly objected. Your attitude is "f.ck Nagler no matter what he says or does." You know of someone named Conlon, all right -- he runs around calling himself Nathan Jessup, formerly Martin. Don't play dumb -- you're too stupid to even get that act right. ^ ^Why don't you take your own advice and mind your own business? ^Oh..it's just do as I say, not as I do. I'm not the one who puts up dozens of posts daily -- you and Conlon are. I will wager that I have more self control than you do. All you have to do is agree to the following: 1) You will not post anything threaded to messages posted by Martin, Nathan Jessup, or any other of Conlon's sock puppets. 2) You will not thread any post to articles posted by Nagler. 3) You will not discuss, or even refer obliquely to Dr. Nagler. 4) You will do the above for not less than 30 days, the 30 days to begin when you thread your agreement to this post. In return, I will do the following: I will not post here at all for 30 days, except to remind you of your promise, and to inform you when you have violated the terms of this agreement.; and of course one initial post in a separate thread detailing this agreement. If you get through the entire 30 days and keep this agreement, I will leave and not return. But if you accept this agreement, and then violate it, you must leave and never return. If I violate it, I will also leave and not return. Violations of this agreement must be verified by checking message headers. You can get rid of me that easily -- just demonstrate that you have more basic self-control than a seven year old. ^ ^Terri ^http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport >^On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:51:33 GMT, Abel Aravidze <abelarav@net.com> >^wrote: [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] >^Terri >^http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport You sound a lot like Kaufman. Post 100 times a day if you like. If you bore me, I won't read it. Carry on, Terri http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport ^On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:27:29 GMT, Abel Aravidze <abelarav@net.com> ^wrote: ^ ^> ^>^On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:51:33 GMT, Abel Aravidze <abelarav@net.com> ^>^wrote: ^>^ ^>^> ^>^>^On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:45:34 -0400, Nathan Jessup <> wrote: ^>^>^ ^>^>^> ^>^>^>>You've played the victim card already. For the next three days it is ^>^>^>>going to be all about you -- how you are the victim, how everyone else ^>^>^>>"makes you" behave badly, how we should all forgive and forget and ^>^>^>>start anew until someone crosses you again and you will feel justified ^>^>^>>in calling them a disabled pig, etc. ^>^>^>> ^>^>^>>You can't break this cycle alone. ^>^>^> ^>^>^>Terri, this is just an observation. But look again how the pattern was ^>^>^>the same: ^>^>^> ^>^>^>1- attack with 100% certainty ^>^>^>2- hope for support that does not appear ^>^>^>3- more "friends" turn on him ^>^>^>4- those that rightly despise him bring up his forgotten past ^>^>^>5- The MLK/Ghandi/Rodney King persona appears with "I'm only ^>^>^>human...take my hand...walk with me for a tinnitus cure...offer ^>^>^>support with me." ^>^>^>6- Someone mysteriously appears and asks questions that he gives such ^>^>^>loving and kind answers to. But just mere moments after calling a ^>^>^>disabled person a pig. ^>^>^> ^>^>^The "Help me Dr. Nagler"and "Thank you Dr. Nagler" are always my ^>^>^personal favorites as far as demonstrating the depth of his ^>^>^narcissism. ^>^> ^>^>The "f.ck you Dr. Nagler no matter what you say or do" is your stock ^>^>in trade, Terri. Why don't you leave Conlon and Nagler to do their ^>^>"dance of death" alone, without your "help." Or do you get your ^>^>jollies this way? ^>^> ^>^>^ ^>^>^Terri ^>^>^ ^>^>^http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport ^>^> ^>^ ^>^I never use language like that and I have don't know anyone on ast ^>^named Conlon. I know of Conlon from the archives, but that is it. ^> ^>The point is not whether you've used language like that, as you so ^>stupidly objected. Your attitude is "f.ck Nagler no matter what he ^>says or does." You know of someone named Conlon, all right -- he runs ^>around calling himself Nathan Jessup, formerly Martin. Don't play dumb ^>-- you're too stupid to even get that act right. ^> ^>^ ^>^Why don't you take your own advice and mind your own business? ^>^Oh..it's just do as I say, not as I do. ^> ^>I'm not the one who puts up dozens of posts daily -- you and Conlon ^>are. I will wager that I have more self control than you do. All you ^>have to do is agree to the following: ^> ^>1) You will not post anything threaded to messages posted by Martin, ^>Nathan Jessup, or any other of Conlon's sock puppets. ^>2) You will not thread any post to articles posted by Nagler. ^>3) You will not discuss, or even refer obliquely to Dr. Nagler. ^>4) You will do the above for not less than 30 days, the 30 days to ^>begin when you thread your agreement to this post. ^> ^>In return, I will do the following: ^>I will not post here at all for 30 days, except to remind you of your ^>promise, and to inform you when you have violated the terms of this ^>agreement.; and of course one initial post in a separate thread ^>detailing this agreement. ^> ^>If you get through the entire 30 days and keep this agreement, I will ^>leave and not return. But if you accept this agreement, and then ^>violate it, you must leave and never return. If I violate it, I will ^>also leave and not return. Violations of this agreement must be ^>verified by checking message headers. ^> ^>You can get rid of me that easily -- just demonstrate that you have ^>more basic self-control than a seven year old. ^> ^>^ ^>^Terri ^>^http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport ^> ^ ^You sound a lot like Kaufman. I thought I sounded like Nagler to you. Or maybe you think Nagler is Kaufman. Perhaps you see an infinite number of Kaufmans and Naglers coming at you with knives in their teeth during the waking nightmare that is your life. ^ ^Post 100 times a day if you like. If you bore me, I won't read it. In other words, you have no self control, and you know that I do. That's why you won't take me up on my offer. ^ ^Carry on, ^ ^Terri ^ ^ ^ ^http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport >I think that Nagler must be cut from the same cloth. And it is a cloth >I do not wish to wash with. ............. Steve, I have asked you to please help in making this newsgroup a better place by setting aside acrimony and bitterness. I am asking again. Please. stephen nagler ^On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:45:34 -0400, Nathan Jessup <> wrote: ^ ^ ^>I think that Nagler must be cut from the same cloth. And it is a cloth ^>I do not wish to wash with. ^ ^............. ^ ^Steve, I have asked you to please help in making this newsgroup a ^better place by setting aside acrimony and bitterness. ^ ^I am asking again. Please. Stop answering Conlon, already. Stop attempting to engage him as if he were a reasonable human being. Your use of the word "please" is regarded by Conlon as a sign of weakness. Ignore him. No one cares what he says, does, or thinks. ^ ^stephen nagler >Stop answering Conlon, already. Stop attempting to engage him as if he >were a reasonable human being. Your use of the word "please" is >regarded by Conlon as a sign of weakness. Ignore him. No one cares >what he says, does, or thinks. Thank you. May we please have an end to the drama and the spectacle? Susan >Stop answering Conlon, already. Stop attempting to engage him as if he >were a reasonable human being. Your use of the word "please" is >regarded by Conlon as a sign of weakness. Ignore him. No one cares >what he says, does, or thinks. ..................... I believe that Steve *is* a reasonable human being - at least the Steve I once knew was reasonable. And I have no reason to doubt that the reasonable human being I once knew is still there - just covered up by a whole lot of pain. I do not mind asking nicely. What's the worst that can happen? smn >What's the worst that can happen? The Stephen and Steve show could continue unabated. Just quit. Susan conlonsock ("If I died tomorrow the church would be full") wrote piously:- > 1- attack with 100% certainty pot kettle black > 2- hope for support that does not appear & who is supporting u? da yoliar da towel & a couple o sox lol > 3- more "friends" turn on him friends dont 'turn on' folks teh people who givin him grief r just teh usual suspects & 1 or 2 misguided folks who cant balance teh flood o insult & abuse directed @ him day after day by teh OCDs against his occasional justified & understandable retorts just my opinion o course > 4- those that rightly despise him bring up his forgotten past OCDs who didnt get what they wanted & devote a large part o there lives 2 baitin & harassin him > 5- The MLK/Ghandi/Rodney King persona appears with "I'm only > human...take my hand...walk with me for a tinnitus cure...offer > support with me." havin u cake & eatin it eh? teh man gives back a piece o what he gets day after day & teh OCDs r on his case teh man apologizes & promises 2 do better & teh OCDs r on his case teh man gives support & teh OCDs r on his case jeez! guess thats teh nature o OCD > 6- Someone mysteriously appears and asks questions that he gives such > loving and kind answers to. yeah hurts u that dont it?! cant have this support group losin focus on teh OCDs obssesion.. > But just mere moments after calling a disabled person a pig. if it grunts like a pig... > This is so, so sad. what is so so sad is OCDs usin a support group 24/7 2 get even > I don't believe the phone calls, the letters, or > any other statements of people attacking him. I even think that it is > possible that they do appear to be real to him though. That is how > much I believe he needs to get some professional help. He has gone > from a French Revolutionary screaming "J'accuse" to a man with his own > head in the guillotine within 24 hours and begging for mercy. BS > This is just not what I would consider normal. wood u consider anonymously baitin & insultin a dr on a tinnitus support group day after day 2 b normal behavior? > The real bigger question was what is he doing searching internet > pictures to see what they are named. he was lookin 4 u worried? > I'd hate to think this apparent OCD could have caused problems elsewhere. another transparent lie teh real bigger question is why u behavin in this way its because he refused to give u what u wanted & he called u imo lol > I see his situation as only getting more dire. If he is on another > forum that you are on and someone is able to speak with him, please > back door a message and see if they can talk some sense into him. For > his own good I think he needs to turn the computer off. about 3890 p0sts fro u under teh nicks u admit 2 + teh googles no? got uself a new hobby? > This is like continually reliving Bill Clinton: > "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" > [time passes] ..conlonsock sits @ his puter...supernews/google/supernews/google...tap tap tap > "I did in fact have a relationship with Monica Lewinsky." > I think that Nagler must be cut from the same cloth. And it is a cloth > I do not wish to wash with. but somethin compels u 2 do it every day LOL!!! Cheers hic >Robin, my attackers call me ten and twenty times at home in the middle >of the night worrying my wife and frightening my children, they >interfere(d) with the running of my clinic, they harrass(ed) my office >staff, they write letters full of lies and slander about me to my >colleagues and my friends, and they try to interfere with my ability >to make a living. And it is your belief that the individual in the picture that you found named "martin.jpg" is behind all of this? Nathan Jessup >And it is your belief that the individual in the picture that you >found named "martin.jpg" is behind all of this? > >Nathan Jessup .............. Steve, I am not about to point the finger at any one person. I am saying that it is time for the acrimony to stop - for your good, for my good, and for the good of this newgroup. I am asking you to please be a partner with me in that effort, and I hope that others will join in. smn >ctually most of my energy is spent on ignoring my attackers. > >Most of the rest is spent of defending myself and - rarely - >counterattacking. This is pure revisionist bullshit. >If there were more tinnitus-related topics here, I'd likely offer more >support. Would YOU perhaps like to raise a tinnitus-related issue? I've never seen tinnitus issues distract you from a flamefest. Most of the time you bait them when things are quiet! Susan >If there were more tinnitus-related topics here, There aren't unfortunately and that is because research has been said, by some, to be going towards futile endeavors. We might know nothing more 20 years from now. So we have the world of tinnitus knowledge, real knowledge, occurring in a void. >I'd likely offer more support. Today's has been wonderful. Look at you. Nathan Jessup >here aren't unfortunately and that is because research has been said, >by some, to be going towards futile endeavors. We might know nothing >more 20 years from now. So we have the world of tinnitus knowledge, >real knowledge, occurring in a void. This is an alt.support newsgroup, not a sci.med, so there is no need for there to be new research for decent, well intentioned people to share support and info. It's your selfishness and OCD keeping you here helping to destroy a once valuable resource. Susan >Sounds like I'm bitter? I am. > >Sounds like I'm spiteful? I am. Sounds like you need help. We all knew the above already. Nathan Jessup >One of the tragedies here is than in the process of doing so, he has >likely destroyed himself. If there is one subject you are qualified to speak on it is self-destruction. Look at you! You're a mess again. Nathan Jessup >>One of the tragedies here is than in the process of doing so, he has >>likely destroyed himself. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Nathan Jessup ............... Steve, this kind of thing is not healthy for either of us - and it is not healthy for this newsgroup. If you wish to talk about it - seriously - talk about putting an end to the acrimony between us, please e-mail me. You will find me to be a cordial and willing listener. smn >Please let me get this straight so that I fully understand. Are you now >saying that the person now posting as "Nathan Jessup" was not previously >posting as "Martin"? Howie, you must read my message again. What I stated was that at no time were "Martin" and his "cousins" Martin Aquinas, Martin Descartes, Martin and Hef, Martin and Martin posting from anything but the same e-mail address. Nathan Jessup - Muzzy wanted a name We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark. The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato, Bruce & Oat Willy > >To me using a real name gives you credibility. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Nathan Jessup |
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