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TonyJeffs - 27 Sep 2003 21:35 GMT
I ask this question about every six months!
This is quite a long post to put you fully in the picture of why I'm
particularly concerned about flying - I really have to tackle it!

Any new thoughts?:

Contents:
1. How I got tinnitus & why I think I'm right to be  concerned about
flying.
2. What I already know.
3. Some questions.

1. How I got tinnitus
six months prior to getting it, flying back from Italy, on descent I
had severe pain in my right* ear until my eardrum went "psst" and the
pain stopped.
I presume a small perforation occurred, releasing the pressure, though
a few days later, my doctor could see no evidence of a perforation.

I started scuba training diving in 10 feet of water
diving was painful. After a particular training session, I noticed a
gentle hissing in right* ear.
Doctor reassured me "it was coincidence and will go away£ so...
Next scuba session resulted in an increase to 'moderate' noise in
right ear, 'gentle' noise in my previously silent left ear.
A third, and final, scuba session; both ears louder.
I therefore presume, definite connection between the pressure of scuba
at just 10 feet, and the development of my tinnitus.
Significantly, I associate the louder right ear tinnitus with the
earlier pressure problem in the airplane.

.........
So I'm fairly sure that a further mild pressure problem, be it scuba
or flying, will make my tinnitus worse.
.........
2. What I already know
Valsalva manouver to clear ears through eustacian tubes -I know how to
do it;
But if I do manage this, and my ears are probably still aching or at
least feeling uncomfortable, how do I know I've got the balance right.
I have a huge difficulty clearing my ears, and there's a danger I'd
overcompensate it and create a pressure problem in the other
direction. So how can I tell?
I could get grommets/tubes fitted through my eardrums. I'd feel
confident enough to try  flying, with grommetts, - any pressure would
equalise through the tubes, but do other people think it makes sense?
Would the operation put my tinnitus level at risk? Maybe?
I know about decongestants like Sudafed, but think maybe my ears are
not actually congested. I think my eustacian tubes are just naturally
narrow, So I'm not convinced a decongestant would have any effect.
Would it?

3 Questions
So what about tubes?
What about decongestants? Any super strength ones?
Any other ways to make it easier to guarantee I can clear my ears?
What about grommets (US tubes)?
What about just getting a hold punced in my eardrum by a doc with a
surgical needle? how long would that last?
Any othr ideas, mainstream, or any at allno matter how unusual.

There is such a lot to lose if I get this wrong and make my t worse. I
have to get it right first time.
I would feel really bad if I flew and made it worse, and read about
some drug or procedure afterwards that I'd missed.

Many thanks
Tony
Jim Chinnis - 27 Sep 2003 22:48 GMT
I think what you say makes perfect sense, Tony. I guess I would actually
consider grommets myself, if I were in your shoes.

That assumes some kind of eustachian tube dysfunction. I guess that's the most
likely explanation. And the grommets should handle that, at least as long as
they remain.

Did you ever have any dizziness associated with the onset of tinnitus or its
worsening by diving/flying? Have you ever had any inner ear symptoms when
straining, such as when lifting a heavy weight?

I ask because the grommet won/t help if your problem is a fistula or weakness
in the membranes between the inner and middle ear. I think that such fistulas
are possible by your description. in that case, flying might still present a
risk.

I'm certainly just a layman commenting about fistulas, and I hope you get some
more useful advice from some of the pros here.
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Jim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG

Oregon7 - 28 Sep 2003 01:13 GMT
>3 Questions
>So what about tubes?

I am a strong advocate for tubes if you have chronic pressure problems due to
eust. tube difficulties.  I had them myself due to identical baro-trauma
problem, and kept them in for about 3 years.  They had to be removed, and later
I had another one in the right ear drum.....I did not suffer any long term
damage although snorkeling was a real problem unless I wore heavy duty foam
plugs inserted firmly.  Ouch!

>What about decongestants? Any super strength ones?

I don't believe these are too helpful for middle ear problems.  Research has
not supported any claims to reduce fluid in the middle ear space, nor help with
flying issues, in my point of view.

>Any other ways to make it easier to guarantee I can clear my ears?

Be sure an otolaryngologist exams that area carefully to be sure no adenoid
removal scars or other tissue changes have impaired the ability of the opening
to function properly.  Reduce allergies if possible though dietary/environment
changes to prevent congestion if possible.

>What about grommets (US tubes)?

See above.

>What about just getting a hold punced in my eardrum by a doc with a
>surgical needle? how long would that last?

Minutes in some people. Most incisions in the eardrum heal extremely rapidly.
We see many people here with that surgery and some heal within literally
minutes.

>Any othr ideas, mainstream, or any at allno matter how unusual.

Try that technique for rinsing your sinues (nose and throat) with salt water or
plain water.  Avoid smoky places.  Drink plenty of  fluids, and use earplugs on
the planes.

>There is such a lot to lose if I get this wrong and make my t worse. I
>have to get it right first time.
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>Many thanks
>Tony

No problem.  Probably ought to swear off deep diving...find a land locked
hobby...caving?
TonyJeffs - 28 Sep 2003 08:06 GMT
Thanks Jim, Marsha
It looks like grommets is the thing to look into further
I get your point about fistula, Jim and it bothers me, but I think
that as long as I can say to myself afterwards that I took all
reasonably practicable steps, I could live with the outcume of a
flying experiment. And grommets seems quite a big precautionary step.
I'd have to give myself credit for that.

I'm reassured to hear that you had success with grommets, Marsha.
Jim, I haven't experienced dizziness in relation to ear problems, so I
understand your point that that isn't supportive of the fistula
possibility. And the fact that I know I do have eustacian tube
clearing problems again suggests that eustacian tubes is more the
focus of the problem. (It is curious to try and imagine a mechanism
whereby such a relatively small pressure change could've caused
tinnitus)

And I don't miss diving - Its ok, but was more of a social outing
rather than a love for the sport.

So now the biggest hurdle is actualy making the effort andgoing to see
my doctor.that it's one of those tasks that is always important but
never urgent, so it never gets to the top of the list (in contrast to
tax returns)
So I'll have to give myself a deadline

Many thanks

Tony

PS  Holy smoke, a  message box just appeared "Are you sure you want to
cancel downloading this file?".   What file?? I've only just switched
on the pc; and my antivirus is activ & up to date !!!

Thanks

> >3 Questions
> >So what about tubes?
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> No problem.  Probably ought to swear off deep diving...find a land locked
> hobby...caving?
TonyJeffs - 28 Sep 2003 21:26 GMT
> >3 Questions
> >So what about tubes?
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> removal scars or other tissue changes have impaired the ability of the opening
> to function properly.

Marsha, Just reading your post again...
You mention you had an identical biotrauma problem... I'd be
interested to know more. Was that from  a scuba dive?
.........
Interesting, possibly relevant, point you make about Adenoids.
When I was 9 years old (or maybe younger, maybe 6), I went into
hospital to have my adenoids removed. I was in hospital for weeks, as
was the custom back then, but I don't know if I actually had the
operation. I remember the horrible treatment of getting water squirted
up my nose.   I'm not sure if I can find out so long after, but I'll
ask my doctor.

Cheers

Tony
ENTconsult - 29 Sep 2003 01:04 GMT
there is nothing bad about scuba or flying , but you appear to have a
eustachian tube blockage problem. Did you ever get certified?
If you want to fly, ask your doctor about taking sudafed, using a benzedrex
inhaller if your ears plug up. drinking hot tea during the flight and avoiding
ice drinks. Also ask about using proteolytic enzymes such as papain and
bromelain.
If your ears do plug up while flying, the damage usually comes from forceful
blowing to try to clear the ears. Be awake in lift off and landing.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
http://www.hydromedonline.com/presentingthehydropulse/
TonyJeffs - 29 Sep 2003 09:02 GMT
>Did you ever get certified?
People have often said I'm mad, but no never certified ;-)

Hi Murray
No I've never had a doctor confirm my tubes are blocked.
I'll make a note of the things you suggest, some of which I haven't heard of before.

Thanks

Tony

Notes of what you said:--
1. benzedrex  inhaller
2. drinking hot tea during the flight and avoiding
ice drinks.
3. proteolytic enzymes such as papain and> bromelain.
 
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