I think what you say makes perfect sense, Tony. I guess I would actually
consider grommets myself, if I were in your shoes.
That assumes some kind of eustachian tube dysfunction. I guess that's the most
likely explanation. And the grommets should handle that, at least as long as
they remain.
Did you ever have any dizziness associated with the onset of tinnitus or its
worsening by diving/flying? Have you ever had any inner ear symptoms when
straining, such as when lifting a heavy weight?
I ask because the grommet won/t help if your problem is a fistula or weakness
in the membranes between the inner and middle ear. I think that such fistulas
are possible by your description. in that case, flying might still present a
risk.
I'm certainly just a layman commenting about fistulas, and I hope you get some
more useful advice from some of the pros here.

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>So what about tubes?
I am a strong advocate for tubes if you have chronic pressure problems due to
eust. tube difficulties. I had them myself due to identical baro-trauma
problem, and kept them in for about 3 years. They had to be removed, and later
I had another one in the right ear drum.....I did not suffer any long term
damage although snorkeling was a real problem unless I wore heavy duty foam
plugs inserted firmly. Ouch!
>What about decongestants? Any super strength ones?
I don't believe these are too helpful for middle ear problems. Research has
not supported any claims to reduce fluid in the middle ear space, nor help with
flying issues, in my point of view.
>Any other ways to make it easier to guarantee I can clear my ears?
Be sure an otolaryngologist exams that area carefully to be sure no adenoid
removal scars or other tissue changes have impaired the ability of the opening
to function properly. Reduce allergies if possible though dietary/environment
changes to prevent congestion if possible.
>What about grommets (US tubes)?
See above.
>What about just getting a hold punced in my eardrum by a doc with a
>surgical needle? how long would that last?
Minutes in some people. Most incisions in the eardrum heal extremely rapidly.
We see many people here with that surgery and some heal within literally
minutes.
>Any othr ideas, mainstream, or any at allno matter how unusual.
Try that technique for rinsing your sinues (nose and throat) with salt water or
plain water. Avoid smoky places. Drink plenty of fluids, and use earplugs on
the planes.
>There is such a lot to lose if I get this wrong and make my t worse. I
>have to get it right first time.
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>Many thanks
>Tony
No problem. Probably ought to swear off deep diving...find a land locked
hobby...caving?
TonyJeffs - 28 Sep 2003 08:06 GMT
Thanks Jim, Marsha
It looks like grommets is the thing to look into further
I get your point about fistula, Jim and it bothers me, but I think
that as long as I can say to myself afterwards that I took all
reasonably practicable steps, I could live with the outcume of a
flying experiment. And grommets seems quite a big precautionary step.
I'd have to give myself credit for that.
I'm reassured to hear that you had success with grommets, Marsha.
Jim, I haven't experienced dizziness in relation to ear problems, so I
understand your point that that isn't supportive of the fistula
possibility. And the fact that I know I do have eustacian tube
clearing problems again suggests that eustacian tubes is more the
focus of the problem. (It is curious to try and imagine a mechanism
whereby such a relatively small pressure change could've caused
tinnitus)
And I don't miss diving - Its ok, but was more of a social outing
rather than a love for the sport.
So now the biggest hurdle is actualy making the effort andgoing to see
my doctor.that it's one of those tasks that is always important but
never urgent, so it never gets to the top of the list (in contrast to
tax returns)
So I'll have to give myself a deadline
Many thanks
Tony
PS Holy smoke, a message box just appeared "Are you sure you want to
cancel downloading this file?". What file?? I've only just switched
on the pc; and my antivirus is activ & up to date !!!
Thanks
> >3 Questions
> >So what about tubes?
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> No problem. Probably ought to swear off deep diving...find a land locked
> hobby...caving?
TonyJeffs - 28 Sep 2003 21:26 GMT
> >3 Questions
> >So what about tubes?
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> removal scars or other tissue changes have impaired the ability of the opening
> to function properly.
Marsha, Just reading your post again...
You mention you had an identical biotrauma problem... I'd be
interested to know more. Was that from a scuba dive?
.........
Interesting, possibly relevant, point you make about Adenoids.
When I was 9 years old (or maybe younger, maybe 6), I went into
hospital to have my adenoids removed. I was in hospital for weeks, as
was the custom back then, but I don't know if I actually had the
operation. I remember the horrible treatment of getting water squirted
up my nose. I'm not sure if I can find out so long after, but I'll
ask my doctor.
Cheers
Tony
there is nothing bad about scuba or flying , but you appear to have a
eustachian tube blockage problem. Did you ever get certified?
If you want to fly, ask your doctor about taking sudafed, using a benzedrex
inhaller if your ears plug up. drinking hot tea during the flight and avoiding
ice drinks. Also ask about using proteolytic enzymes such as papain and
bromelain.
If your ears do plug up while flying, the damage usually comes from forceful
blowing to try to clear the ears. Be awake in lift off and landing.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
http://www.ent-consult.com
http://www.hydromedonline.com/presentingthehydropulse/
TonyJeffs - 29 Sep 2003 09:02 GMT
>Did you ever get certified?
People have often said I'm mad, but no never certified ;-)
Hi Murray
No I've never had a doctor confirm my tubes are blocked.
I'll make a note of the things you suggest, some of which I haven't heard of before.
Thanks
Tony
Notes of what you said:--
1. benzedrex inhaller
2. drinking hot tea during the flight and avoiding
ice drinks.
3. proteolytic enzymes such as papain and> bromelain.