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NAGLER: For The Record!

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nospamman27 - 29 Sep 2003 04:03 GMT
Since it is apparent That NAGLEASS is deleting his posts from the past
seven years, I thought it would be the right thing to do to remind
people of what a filthy piece of sh.t this a.shole is!

Now he has had a guys house destroyed in Texas by the police because
he bad mouthed his sorry a.s on a moderated board!

WHAT NAGLER HAS TOLD TINNITUS SUFFERERS:
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*NAGLER* to someone with tinnitus who disagreed with him about TRT:
' You are going to rot in hell for eternity with your ears screaming
at 100 dB,but not before your buddies in the penal institution into
which youare undoubtedly headed knock your teeth out and then over and
over and over again teach you the only thing your vile mouth is good
for'

*NAGLER* to someone asking about what jobs he tried to perform for
income during his one year in bed:
"I'm finished answering your questions.  And I'm finished trying to
help and provide insight on this board.  Now go to hell, Jack."

*NAGLER* speaking to a woman about a subject they disagreed on:
"You are a horrible woman, [name witheld]."

*NAGLER* to someone who announced he had received Social Security
benefits:
"You irresponsible bastard.  Go get a job."

*NAGLER* speaking of tinnitus disability:
"But tinnitus in and of itself does not make you disabled to the
extent that you cannot find some employment somewhere.  And if you can
do that, you ain't disabled enough according to the US government to
get a free ride, however meager that free ride might be."

*NAGLER* responding to a post by someone tried to help explain the
Social Security process:
" [name witheld] is spiritually dead by his own hand, folks"

*NAGLER* leaving - again - in 1999:
"Either way, I'm out of this place."

......AND WHAT NAGLER HAS DONE TO T SUFFERERS:
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"Yes Your Honor. Here stands Stephen Nagler,
medical doctor. He has been accused of the following by the court:

* Releasing a patient's medical information on the internet;

* Inferring said individual is an alcoholic;

* Stalking a disabled person and stating he would contact the judge on
their Social Security case;

* Obtaining and improperly using said person's social security number
to
call Social Security to obtain his caseworker's name;

* Trying to extort letters of apology to the American Tinnitus
Association [ATA] or he would carry through on the threat;

* Interfering with at least one individual's relationship with his
doctor - a specialist of which he is not - by saying his doctor was
"flat-out wrong" and he had "deemed him to a life of misery."

......INTRODUCING THE GOOD DOCTOR:
----------------------------------

Nagler has no formal training in otolaryngology. After a year in bed
with tinnitus ( apparently !) , he set himself up as a TRT specialist,
offering a discredited expensive treatment called TRT. He spends most
of his waking hours policing the tinnitus message boards on the net.
You may ask does he actually do ANY work !!! However be aware that the
publicity he gets freely on the net is fuel for his TRT business in
Atlanta.

NAGLER DROPS HIS TRT CLAIM THANKS TO AST:
-------------------------------------------

Nagler has recently dropped his TRT clinics claim:

'2 days in Atlanta ... a lifetime of tinnitus relief'
to:
'2 days in Atlanta ... we can help'

as a result of continual complaints  and pressure from tinnitus
sufferers and the potential threat of legal action.

                              ***

THE ATA --A SHOPFRONT FOR TRT :
-------------------------------
The ATA which ( over which Nagler has far too much influence ) is
currently being run as a shopfront for TRT and is spending an enormous
amount on 'researching' TRT, to the detriment of other areas more
worthy of research.
As tinnitus sufferers the ATA should be our organisation reflecting
our interests and concerns and we should demand no less.

                              ****

TRT _ WHEN IT DOESN'T WORK....
-------------------------------

If you try TRT and you don't see the SPECTACULAR benefits
guaranteed at the start of the treatment, Naglers excuses include:

Its the patient fault they didn't REALLY want to be cured of
tinnitus....
Its the patients fault they didn't take the leap of faith required....
Its the patients fault they didn't follow the strict protocol....
etc etc etc

It will always be, you guessed it, YOUR fault!!!!

But be careful....

... COMPLAIN  OR DISAGREE AND IT GETS WORSE .....
-------------------------------------------------

.....He may threathen to publicise your medical record over the net!

*NAGLER* telling a disgruntled patient below that if he speaks about
his
treatment at his center, he'll start disclosing details of his medical
file:

"...it's all on disk. Very easy to do.   And believe me - it ain't
pretty. "

...And Finally.....

... A MESSAGE TO THE 'DOCTOR' NAGLER AND OTHER TRT PRACTITIONERS:
------------------------------------------------------------------

"It is time to remember that we as physicians are responsible not
justfor treating our patients but for teaching them as well. It is
time to remember that, without integrity, a physician is no better
than
a snake oil salesman. Innovation requires experimentation.
Without experimentation, tinnitus will never be treatable.
Experimentation must be done in accordance with time-tested principles
that allow confidence in the efficacy of the proposed treatment. To
charge patients for treatment programs before reliable proof of
treatment efficacy has been achieved puts the cart first and raises
the
specterof financial gain being placed ahead of patients welfare.
Physicians must stop recommending, prescribing, promoting, or even
passively accepting treatments for which no scientific basis has been
established. Our reputations and the reputation of our specialty
demand no less."

- Matthew L. Howard, Department of Otolaryngology, University of
California San Francisco,San Francisco, California, U.S.A. 2001
Jesper Buch - 27 Oct 2003 20:09 GMT
Haven't we been through this a 1000 times before ??  Zzzzzz . . . is it the
excact same post as alle the others or have you rearranged it ?
Susanne  Sourire - 27 Oct 2003 23:14 GMT
> Haven't we been through this a 1000 times before ??  Zzzzzz . . . is it the
> excact same post as alle the others or have you rearranged it ?

Ja, zzzzz, er det ikke bare kedeligt?

Susanne
PaulS - 27 Oct 2003 23:35 GMT
> > Haven't we been through this a 1000 times before ??  Zzzzzz . . . is it the
> > excact same post as alle the others or have you rearranged it ?
>
> Ja, zzzzz, er det ikke bare kedeligt?
>
> Susanne

Vi ma have en tolk :-)

PaulS
Ear Ring - 31 Oct 2003 02:21 GMT
Translation. "Get the f.ck out of here!"

> > "Jesper Buch" <jesperbuch@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<K2enb.14405$jf4.815518@news000.worldonline.dk>...
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> PaulS
Susanne  Sourire - 31 Oct 2003 15:51 GMT
> > "Jesper Buch" <jesperbuch@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>  news:<K2enb.14405$jf4.815518@news000.worldonline.dk>...
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> PaulS

Hi Paul

I know you can read and write Danish very well:-))))) But here it goes:

Yes, zzzzzzzzzzzzz, isnt't it just boring?:-))))))))))

Susanne
PaulS - 31 Oct 2003 21:31 GMT
> I know you can read and write Danish very well:-))))) But here it goes:
>
> Yes, zzzzzzzzzzzzz, isnt't it just boring?:-))))))))))
>
> Susanne

absolutt ;-)

PaulS
 
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