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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / March 2008Alternative therapies
We are trying to collect effectiveness of alternative remedies for various chronic conditions. We will appreciate if folks from this group can share their experiences. We just want to know what have you tried (acupuncture, massage therapy, herbs) for chronic conditions, how well it worked, were there any side effects. It's point an click, should take 20 seconds for people from this group. If you so wish you can give us feedback or your success stories. Here's the link. http://rvita.com/index.php?option=rvitaexperince&task=share regards, lily > We are trying to collect effectiveness of alternative remedies for > various chronic conditions. We will appreciate if folks from this [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > regards, > lily I have used acupuncture to cut down my tinnitus. >> We are trying to collect effectiveness of alternative remedies for >> various chronic conditions. We will appreciate if folks from this [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >I have used acupuncture to cut down my tinnitus. Hahahaha....I wish I had money to throw away like that. Your acupuncture's only benefit was the placebo effect on a fool. > Hahahaha....I wish I had money to throw away like that. Your > acupuncture's only benefit was the placebo effect on a fool. First of all, there is no placebo effect, not the type that most folks refer to when discussing it. Second, acupuncture has not proven to be of much use in studies with tinnitus, but it is highly effective for other things. If a person has a response to it, that's 100% effectiveness, whatever the reason. I know a few folks who've had great reduction in tinnitus from ginkgo biloba, too. Most folks aren't helped, but if you're the one who is, who cares if the effect fails to rise to significance in studies? Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >First of all, there is no placebo effect, not the type that most folks >refer to when discussing it. Oh yeah? Check again. >Second, acupuncture has not proven to be of much use in studies with >tinnitus, but it is highly effective for other things. If a person has a >response to it, that's 100% effectiveness, whatever the reason. Really? It cured fypoon! >I know a few folks who've had great reduction in tinnitus from ginkgo >biloba, too. Most folks aren't helped, but if you're the one who is, >who cares if the effect fails to rise to significance in studies? Fypoon and Janice eh? >Susan >>x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Oh yeah? Check again. I did. More importantly, the largest meta study ever to examine it did: http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/344/21/1594 "Conclusions We found little evidence in general that placebos had powerful clinical effects. Although placebos had no significant effects on objective or binary outcomes, they had possible small benefits in studies with continuous subjective outcomes and for the treatment of pain. Outside the setting of clinical trials, there is no justification for the use of placebos." >>Second, acupuncture has not proven to be of much use in studies with >>tinnitus, but it is highly effective for other things. If a person has a >>response to it, that's 100% effectiveness, whatever the reason. > > Really? It cured fypoon! Well, I don't really consider his reports about anything to be reliable, period. Everything cured him. :-) >>I know a few folks who've had great reduction in tinnitus from ginkgo >>biloba, too. Most folks aren't helped, but if you're the one who is, >>who cares if the effect fails to rise to significance in studies? > > Fypoon and Janice eh? No, actually, not anyone posting here. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Susan I posted my positive results from Gingko Biloba here a few months ago. cheers Paul > I posted my positive results from Gingko Biloba here > a few months ago. My apologies; I missed it or forgot. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Susan No biggie. I almost never check out this group. It's one of the very few things that I've found that has helped. Seriously. Reading this group makes me think about the T which makes it worse. T is one of the few medical conditions where "ignore it and it may go away" is actually good advice :-) I took gingko for a week or so a couple different times with no results. I also tried melatonin for a week or so with no results. Then I saw the study where some subjects reported improvement after a 30 day trial (melatonin), so I redid the melatonin experiment for the full 30 days with no effect. Then figured I ought to give ginko the same 30 day chance. I experienced a lessening of symptoms and have been on the stuff for I think about 7 months now. cheers Paul >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Paul Ahhhhhhhh...see susan, the placebo effect! >>> x-no-archive: yes >>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Ahhhhhhhh...see susan, the placebo effect! Would it be rude to ask someone what the hell they're talking about and then kill file them so no responses are seen ? If so, I apologize because that is exactly what I just did. LOL Paul > Would it be rude to ask someone what the hell > they're talking about and then kill file them so > no responses are seen ? Rude and pointless, since it's so clear that Bluto has no idea what he's talking about. :-) > If so, I apologize because that is exactly what I just did. Wise choice, overall. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Rude and pointless, since it's so clear that Bluto has no idea what he's >talking about. :-) Read your own posts susan, you'll see loads of bovince scat. You must live on a farm >> If so, I apologize because that is exactly what I just did. > >Wise choice, overall. > >Susan Congrats! You have just improved the group by many points. Now you only have me and Sue Fake to go. >>>> x-no-archive: yes >>>> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Paul Trouble always follows this troll wherever she goes. Careful, she loves to stir it big time. The nobody remember what I posted should be your first clue. I assume she hasn't changed her Fein stripes. >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Paul >Trouble always follows this troll wherever she goes. Careful, she >loves to stir it big time. The nobody remember what I posted should be >your first clue. I assume she hasn't changed her Fein stripes. Why are you picking on Sue, Janice? Cat fight between the two of you? Any male who uses a female name(Janice like you do) has deep mental/sexual problems. Now go get a size larger panty hose cuz I think they're squeezing your "tuck" too much boi. >>> x-no-archive: yes >>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> Paul >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >pain. Outside the setting of clinical trials, there is no justification >for the use of placebos." Thats just one opinion and you know what they say about opinions don't you? >>>Second, acupuncture has not proven to be of much use in studies with >>>tinnitus, but it is highly effective for other things. If a person has a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Susan > Thats just one opinion and you know what they say about opinions don't > you? Clearly, you didn't understand what I posted. It had nothing to do with opinion about placebos for a change like most of the crap published. It was a huge, purely objective analysis of a body of data from studies of the placebo effect. Doing the math proves that it does not exist in the way most folks, including you, believe it does. Opinion is what you've offered, not what I posted. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Susan Do you happen to have an email address of a person in china who can back up your claims? I never believe fyfpoon until he said he had a chinese boyscout's email address who you can write to find out the facts.
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