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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / January 2008Need some new ideas
The M 15 invasion into this ng without a doubt has discouraged the on- going discussion on tinnitus but this M 15 mental nut is not the only one to blame. The other participants, particularly the professional, should chip in their share of original posts too, aside from simply answering questions. For example, people like Dr. Murray and Jim Chinnis can post some of the newest findings in the field of tinnitus treatment---if there is any. After all, these professionals are at the front edge of development in tinnitus treatment. If these professionals don't enlighten us, how would the amateurs like ourselves get informed. That said, I understand there are opposing views even amongst the professionals, which makes discussion even more interesting. FP On Jan 5, 1:56 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > The M 15 invasion into this ng without a doubt has discouraged the on- > going discussion on tinnitus but this M 15 mental nut is not the only [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > FP Hi FP, Have you tried news alerts on google news? That is a pretty good news service if you want to keep abreast of the latest published articles on tinnitus. I use gmail so I think they are automatically forwarded to my email address. If you like I can post the links here when they arrived... Best regards John >On Jan 5, 1:56 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: >> The M 15 invasion into this ng without a doubt has discouraged the on- [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >John Haven't you heard John? FP and Janice are CURED! No need for them to follow up. Neuro plasticity is being shown in the VA repair work. 3 things do help T A. Measured breathing - in 4 and out 6. This sends a message that T is not a "bad." B. Mirror biofeedback. When muscles are relaxed you don't have anxiety. And you send a message that this is not a threat. C Cognition. You have to accept that this is a physiologic phenomenon - electrical and not a threat. Murray Grossan, M.D. Www.earaid.info >Neuro plasticity is being shown in the VA repair work. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Www.earaid.info D. Avoid M.D.'s who peddle miracle hearing antioxidant capsules. The placebo effect is FREE, why pay for it? (Your billfold will thank you) Rather fits in with my muscle tension theory. The bio feedback relaxes the muscles. Another way of doing it. Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ >Neuro plasticity is being shown in the VA repair work. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Www.earaid.info  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Neuro plasticity is being shown in the VA repair work. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Www.earaid.info Here are some other tips: 1. Avoid reading posts by Murray Grossan, MD. This sends a message that bad advice should be ignored. 2. Spit in a mirror. When spittle obscures the mirror image, you can't see how anxious you look. 3. Cognition. You have to accept that Janice, FP, and Grossan are all worthless scam artists, and brain dead to boot. On Jan 8, 12:35 pm, miketod...@live.com wrote: > > Neuro plasticity is being shown in the VA repair work. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > 3. Cognition. You have to accept that Janice, FP, and Grossan are all > worthless scam artists, and brain dead to boot. And you are a piece of trash and you are so as a result of your family tradition. >On Jan 8, 12:35 pm, miketod...@live.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >And you are a piece of trash and you are so as a result of your family >tradition. Go away crack head fyfpoon. Curl up with your bong and get your ears to ringing. >On Jan 8, 12:35 pm, miketod...@live.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >And you are a piece of trash and you are so as a result of your family >tradition. Looks like you have quite a following in this NG fyfpoon. I can understand why. It don't take long for anybody to peg you as a burn out. Same goes of Janice(larry in tights) and Mr Placebo(Grossan). Is "The Captain" back? We are seeing the same insulting paranoid postings - word for word identical - that were flooding this web site before. Anyone know? Or maybe his spirit has invaded some innocent body and is working through them? > Is "The Captain" back? > We are seeing the same insulting paranoid postings - word for word identical > - that were flooding this web site before. Anyone know? > Or maybe his spirit has invaded some innocent body and is working through > them? Murray, he's dead. For real. I think it would be more proper to leave him out of any nonsense happening here now. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Susan Umm,.... anyone know?? Yeah,... everyone knows!! Do you actually think he's still alive,... lurking around in secret on the net? His obituary being just some kind of big con? I find it incredibly insulting you would think something like that, let alone post it. I thought you were a professional, Murray,... sheesh!! You really don't think there is anyone else out there willing to vent their frustrations on usenet?? Gimme a break!! He died,.... everyone knows it. It would probably be best if you just left it at that. Stych. >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Do you actually think he's still alive,... lurking around in secret on the >net? His obituary being just some kind of big con? Yes, look for the user POPEYE, thats the NG spirit of him. >I find it incredibly insulting you would think something like that, let >alone post it. I thought you were a professional, Murray,... sheesh!! Murray a professional? HAHAHAHAHAHA >You really don't think there is anyone else out there willing to vent their >frustrations on usenet?? Gimme a break!! > >He died,.... everyone knows it. It would probably be best if you just left >it at that. Oh like he's gonna change things and bring him back? I bet Murray claims he can do that too eh!! Whatta burn out. >Stych. How would anybody know Cap RY is dead? I the confirmation I ever saw the Nagliar of the group and his word wasn't worth much, as most discovered. >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Stych. > How would anybody know Cap RY is dead? I the confirmation I ever saw > the Nagliar of the group and his word wasn't worth much, as most > discovered. His obituary was published and his wife posted here about his death, despite what you thik you remember. Susan > Is "The Captain" back? > We are seeing the same insulting paranoid postings - word for word identical > - that were flooding this web site before. Anyone know? > Or maybe his spirit has invaded some innocent body and is working through > them? There has not been a Captain in this ng but have seen frequent visits to this ng by TRASH. Back to the old days in North America or partcularly in America, the word 'trash' was used to refer to a poor ignorant white person. But in today's multicultural society, a trash is "an individual that may or may not be poor, but is monumentally ignorant and quite possibly stupid". Actually there was, a Capt'n Ron Yoli that used to post here in the old days. He was a tinnitus sufferer that vested one tinnitus grandstander's clinic to get a "cure" for his noises and wasn't impressed. After the particular Dr tried to oust Lix, Yoli and a few others tried their best to rid the groups of the repressing, trolling, hacking Dr. from the group. Rumour has it that Capt'n Ron Yoli died a few years back and many took the word of the Dr. that is was the truth. I am not sure it was ever confirmed by a second, reliable source. Yoli was far from a troll, as the current one acts but was a man with a mission, along with a few others here. Proof of that is, the trash talk all stopped as soon as the Dr troll stopped participating here. Oh, he tried his usual antics with different nicknames, but was easily picked out of a crowd, and newer computer securities prevented some of the hacking that was frequent during his reign of terror. This was never Yoli's style. He didn't act like trash. Lix did frequently when pushed into frustration by the sheeple following the Dr., apparently. So the question, in my mind, still remains about Capt'n Yoli but, this was not his style, at all. Murray, in his taught attitude, is trying to stir trouble, or defending his common faith or profession with the Dr. in question. On Jan 12, 1:39 am, Murray Grossan <hydro...@adelphia.net> wrote: > Is "The Captain" back? > We are seeing the same insulting paranoid postings - word for word [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > through > them? There has not been a Captain in this ng but have seen frequent visits to this ng by TRASH. Back to the old days in North America or partcularly in America, the word 'trash' was used to refer to a poor ignorant white person. But in today's multicultural society, a trash is "an individual that may or may not be poor, but is monumentally ignorant and quite possibly stupid". >Actually there was, a Capt'n Ron Yoli that used to post here in the >old days. He was a tinnitus sufferer that vested one tinnitus >grandstander's clinic to get a "cure" for his noises and wasn't >impressed. After the particular Dr tried to oust Lix, Yoli and a few >others tried their best to rid the groups of the repressing, trolling, >hacking Dr. from the group. You calling fyfpoon a liar? He said there was never a Capt in this NG. I'm sure he can supply you the email address of a boy scout in Taipei who can confirm it. >Rumour has it that Capt'n Ron Yoli died a few years back and many took >the word of the Dr. that is was the truth. I am not sure it was ever >confirmed by a second, reliable source. Did he die from tinnitis? >Yoli was far from a troll, as the current one acts but was a man with >a mission, along with a few others here. Proof of that is, the trash [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >frequently when pushed into frustration by the sheeple following the >Dr., apparently. Lix, meaning yourself. >So the question, in my mind, still remains about Capt'n Yoli but, this >was not his style, at all. Murray, in his taught attitude, is trying >to stir trouble, or defending his common faith or profession with the >Dr. in question. Nobody listens to or believes that blow hard Murray anyways. >On Jan 12, 1:39 am, Murray Grossan <hydro...@adelphia.net> wrote: >> Is "The Captain" back? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >or may not be poor, but is monumentally ignorant and quite possibly >stupid". > Actually there was, a Capt'n Ron Yoli that used to post here in the > old days. He was a tinnitus sufferer that vested one tinnitus > grandstander's clinic to get a "cure" for his noises and wasn't > impressed. After the particular Dr tried to oust Lix, Yoli and a few > others tried their best to rid the groups of the repressing, trolling, > hacking Dr. from the group. Actually, Ron Yoli did state on this group and to me in private phone conversations that he'd been helped tremendously by the treatment by the doctor mentioned. He changed his tune after a financial dispute over the cost of equipment, IIRC, and made it his life's mission to attack that doctor here and through repeated telephone harassment. > Rumour has it that Capt'n Ron Yoli died a few years back and many took > the word of the Dr. that is was the truth. I am not sure it was ever > confirmed by a second, reliable source. It was posted here not by the Dr. but by Ron Yoli's widow, Barbara Yoli, and his obituary appeared in his local newspapers and online. It's not a rumor that he'd died. > Yoli was far from a troll, as the current one acts but was a man with > a mission, along with a few others here. Proof of that is, the trash [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > frequently when pushed into frustration by the sheeple following the > Dr., apparently. I'm not going to speak ill of the dead, but Yoli's posting history is evidence enough of how he conducted himself. Susan http://www.changeresults.com/ Above is the web site of Ron's widow, Barbara. Anyone with a good faith interest in his whereabouts can learn the truth from her. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Susan Better yet, here's a paid death notice from the newspaper where he lived prior to his move to florida: http://tinyurl.com/2fe398 Susan (cut) > Yoli... didn't act like trash...this was not his style, at all... Ron Yoli bought a small fishing boat, called himself Captain and boasted of his wealth and powerful friends. He tried TRT therapy which didn't work. He hounded and insulted appallingly the doctor whom he had paid for it. In his cups he invested ast with such wit and insight as: "****** ******, M.D. TRT, Bullshit, a.shole, Idiot Savant, Jerk-Off Fuckface, Shithead, Asswipe" "Go have a drink with the fat POLACK, **********! Better yet, suck each others cocks in a toast!" "No, ****, "YOU" Are a R O Y A L F U C K I N pain in the f.cking a.s!" "he is too much of a pussy little pansie a.s communist weasel, examing and sharing his kiddie porn with *******" His posts were littered with "beat", "shoot", "kill", and reference to unnatural sex. He died of a heart attack. Cheers hic. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ..and you still feel you have to hide to post what you feel is the truth? Not one to judge much...are you? smn > Ron Yoli bought a small fishing boat, called himself > Captain and boasted of his wealth and powerful friends. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Cheers hic. (cut) > ..and you still feel you have to hide to post what you feel is the > truth? Not one to judge much...are you? Eh? > smn Ah. No. Look under your bed. lol Cheers hic SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com On 1/16/08 5:44 AM, in article 5LqdneH7ZcKJlxPanZ2dnUVZ_rKtnZ2d@golden.net, > Actually there was, a Capt'n Ron Yoli that used to post here in the > old days. He was a tinnitus sufferer that vested one tinnitus [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > or may not be poor, but is monumentally ignorant and quite possibly > stupid". I confess, I object to persons who ruin newsgroups that are meant to assist persons who come there for information or just to vent. I confess I object to persons who insult visitors for their own gain and thereby discourage others from visiting a newsgroup. >On 1/16/08 5:44 AM, in article 5LqdneH7ZcKJlxPanZ2dnUVZ_rKtnZ2d@golden.net, > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >to persons who insult visitors for their own gain and thereby discourage >others from visiting a newsgroup. You're so confessional Murray. Are you as confessional about the placebo you peddle to people seeking help? Peddlers like yourself should be discouraged from newgroups, you're no different than any other spammer. > On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:03:06 -0800, Murray Grossan > [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > should be discouraged from newgroups, you're no different than any > other spammer. Hi Bluto, One of the main reasons I come here is in the hope of reading a posting by Murray. He always seems perfectly objective to me, even humourous at times. His advice I really do take seriously. It would be a great pity if we did not have members from the medical community posting here. Best regards John >> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:03:06 -0800, Murray Grossan >> [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > >John Hi John, Good for you. You're entitled to your opinion. To me, doctors who peddle their placebo's/products have an ulterior motive, $ALE$. How many MD's do you know that sell? Good luck to you to sir! Well we all have a job to do here and that is not to feed the trolls. I doubt anybody wants a repeat of the nagler,lix,yoli,blue,steve fiasco we had here. I believe with enough prompting almost 95% of the posters can be made into "trolls". It usually means somebody has a hatred on or has been hurt emotionally. Trolls are usually created by hard nosed know-it-alls and most won't happen with a little consideration. "Murray Grossan" <hydromed@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:C3B4CA4A.AB76%> I confess, I object to persons who ruin newsgroups that are meant to assist > persons who come there for information or just to vent. I confess I > object > to persons who insult visitors for their own gain and thereby > discourage > others from visiting a newsgroup. > Actually there was, a Capt'n Ron Yoli that used to post here in the old > days. He was a tinnitus sufferer that vested one tinnitus grandstander's [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > word of the Dr. that is was the truth. I am not sure it was ever confirmed > by a second, reliable source. I am a second source. It is not a rumour. For the last time,.... he died. He is dead. End of story. Stych. (cut) > For the last time,.... he died. He is dead. Let the bells ring out....no, strike that. > End of story. Evidently not. lol Cheers hic SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Maybe I am a final source in telling you he didn't. Your posting it doesn't help much...sorry. >> Actually there was, a Capt'n Ron Yoli that used to post here in the >> old days. He was a tinnitus sufferer that vested one tinnitus [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Stych. How could it not help? It was a definitive answer. If you want "confirmation,"... it has been confirmed by many, including me. Or are you the kind of person that only believes what you want to believe? Oh well,... whatever. Enjoy your delusions. Stych. > Maybe I am a final source in telling you he didn't. Your posting it > doesn't help much...sorry. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> Stych. What is your source for this rumour? Most of this garbage comes from the same, single rumour, from the same person. My guess is the rumour is true, but your guess means nothing in the world of proof. Unfortunately the person initiating this information, originally, could not be trusted, as was shown. > How could it not help? It was a definitive answer. > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >>> >>> Stych. >What is your source for this rumour? A china man that fyfpoon heard of. Here is his email onehunglow@cnn.cn >Most of this garbage comes from the same, single rumour, from the same >person. My guess is the rumour is true, but your guess means nothing [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >>>> >>>> Stych. >> Is "The Captain" back? >> We are seeing the same insulting paranoid postings - word for word identical [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >or may not be poor, but is monumentally ignorant and quite possibly >stupid". Geez fyfpoon, that means you are a trashed burnout! Nice pair of titles for you, bong breath. > Neuro plasticity is being shown in the VA repair work. > 3 things do help T > A. Measured breathing - in 4 and out 6. In 1234, rest 1234, out 1234, rest 1234 - or whatever equal count that fits your lung function, entire lung capacity must be used. Likely to trigger dive reflex and thereby lower blood pressure. Do not overdo, but great for getting the perspective on the world back if stressed. > Murray Grossan, M.D. Kind regards Peter Larsen >> Neuro plasticity is being shown in the VA repair work. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Peter Larsen Thats fyfpoons bong toking rhythm. However it raises his BP and causes ringing in his ears. Hmmmm I wonder why? On 1/7/08 9:28 PM, in article 01d918ae$0$16959$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com, >> Neuro plasticity is being shown in the VA repair work. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > You see in stress the breathing speeds up. If you measure your breathing this signals the body that this is not a stress situation and helps break the anxiety aspect. If you make your exhallation longer, you are in a relaxation mode longer. >> In 1234, rest 1234, out 1234, rest 1234 - or whatever equal count >> that fits your lung function, entire lung capacity must be used. >> Likely to trigger dive reflex and thereby lower blood pressure. Do >> not overdo, but great for getting the perspective on the world back >> if stressed. > You see in stress the breathing speeds up. If you measure your > breathing this signals the body that this is not a stress situation > and helps break the anxiety aspect. If you make your exhallation > longer, you are in a relaxation mode longer. It was suggested to my by a stress therapist way long time ago, I think it is a hatha yoga pre meditation breething practice. To each his own. It is not clear to me what point it is you try to convey? Kind regards Peter Larsen > On Jan 5, 1:56 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > John Would appreciate that. I understand we are operating in the mud of trash attacks. >The M 15 invasion into this ng without a doubt has discouraged the on- >going discussion on tinnitus but this M 15 mental nut is not the only [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >FP Also have your checkbook and credit card handy to purchase the latest, proven cures for T! Thats right folks, evidence* of curing T with such ground breaking cures such as Accupuncture, Ginkgo Biloba, Manganese**, Q-ban bracelet, magnetic earrings! They're all here and available for a nominal fee. Suffer no more! *evidence consists of that fyfpoon heard there was once a young girl in China who used these and she was CURED of T!!! A real miracle! **janice(aka larry in tights) was cured from his horrendous suffering of T using manganese. Finally a cure! disclaimer: ringing in ears returns after a few hits on his bong. > On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:56:10 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com" > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Shut up, you trash. I even gave the readers the email address of a college professor in China who has benefited a lot from acupuncture treatment for her ear problems. P.S. Do you think the world owes you a living? >> On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:56:10 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com" >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >college professor in China who has benefited a lot from acupuncture >treatment for her ear problems. Wow Wee!! That should sew it up eh! That should proof it without a doubt! Call JAMA quit to adivse the fyfpoon. Whatta fool! >P.S. Do you think the world owes you a living? Put the bong down burn out. On Jan 5, 7:37 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:56:10 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com" > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > P.S. Do you think the world owes you a living? It is seriously entertaining that FP is still cr@pping all over this NG after about a half dozen years. As the Capt. would say - Cheers! >On Jan 5, 7:37 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >It is seriously entertaining that FP is still cr@pping all over this >NG after about a half dozen years. As the Capt. would say - Cheers! Yeah as well as his butt buddy Janice(larry in tights), both burn outs! > On Jan 5, 7:37 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > - Show quoted text - And what would you say, LLilly? Where have I said that has misled the audience? Don't just stand up to be counted for the sake of being counted. I know you are able to write and speak English. On Jan 4, 6:56 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > The M 15 invasion into this ng without a doubt has discouraged the on- > going discussion on tinnitus but this M 15 mental nut is not the only [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > FP Hi numbskull. I think the "M 15 invasion" was no more of a problem for this newsgroup than your inane and crapola posts. You are as stupid as they come. Hey, but I don't mean that in a bad way. Please gobble down your worthless ginko pills and disappear, chinko. On Jan 6, 7:44 am, miketod...@live.com wrote: > On Jan 4, 6:56 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Please gobble down your worthless ginko pills and disappear, chinko. Shut up, you trash. You must have inherited these bad habits from your family setting in which your Dad is a welfare bum and your Mum a whore. >On Jan 6, 7:44 am, miketod...@live.com wrote: >> On Jan 4, 6:56 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >your family setting in which your Dad is a welfare bum and your Mum a >whore. I see you've been drinking your bong GB again fyfpoon. No wonder your brain is fried you burn out. >On Jan 4, 6:56 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: >> The M 15 invasion into this ng without a doubt has discouraged the on- [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Please gobble down your worthless ginko pills and disappear, chinko. Another one of your admirers huh fyfpoon? Oh Mike don't forget fyfpoons gave the email address of a college professor in China who has benefited a lot from acupuncture treatment for her ear problems. How could anyone doubt that eh? hahahahehehehehohohohoho
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