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Steve Kennedy - 12 Dec 2007 17:14 GMT
This is the first time I've experienced ringing in my ears. My ENT
doctor says it's because there's fluid behind my ear (drum?). He's put
me on some antibotic, but it's been 5-6 days now, and it hasn't gotten
better. How does the fluid drain by itself? I don't understand how
waiting will cause the fluid to drain naturally? Is that even
possible? Hopefully, after the fluid is drained, then my hearing will
no longer be "muted" and as well as my ears will stop ringing.
Janice - 12 Dec 2007 19:16 GMT
Antibiotics will not affect drainage and are not meant to. The doctors
played this ignorant gamme with my two children for years. The
antibiotic may keep any infection down or gone but without the fluid
buidup eliminated infection usually returns.

The fluid is most liekly not related to your tinnitus. It is possible
though.

> This is the first time I've experienced ringing in my ears. My ENT
> doctor says it's because there's fluid behind my ear (drum?). He's
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> will
> no longer be "muted" and as well as my ears will stop ringing.
Steve Kennedy - 13 Dec 2007 16:53 GMT
But how will my ears drain naturally? Is it likely that the fluid will
drain naturally?

If I have a lot of fluid in my ears, that won't cause the ringing?

> Antibiotics will not affect drainage and are not meant to. The doctors
> played this ignorant gamme with my two children for years. The
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Janice - 14 Dec 2007 04:32 GMT
It may be possible but I would say not likely. With us, in this group,
we have a DOC, specializing in ear problems and tinnitus with a very
open mind also, named Dr. Murray Grossan. He posts information on this
type of thing and would be much more enlightened on this stuff than I
am.

Decongestants are usually prescribed to dry out membranes and fluids.
I have used verbascum as a homeopathic, with great success. It worked
wonders for me and some of my children as well as a few others that
have tried it. For a few, it did nothing. A Naturopathic Doctor could
steer you in the right direction better.

> But how will my ears drain naturally? Is it likely that the fluid
> will
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Elly Byrne - 13 Dec 2007 19:04 GMT
Doctors are not much help when it comes tinnitus. Sometimes they say
the only things they know how to say.

It is more likely to be due to something that changed in your life and
set up tension in the neck muscles.

Have a look here:
http://eebee.net/TinnitusIsaPainintheNeck.html

Elly

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>This is the first time I've experienced ringing in my ears. My ENT
>doctor says it's because there's fluid behind my ear (drum?). He's put
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>possible? Hopefully, after the fluid is drained, then my hearing will
>no longer be "muted" and as well as my ears will stop ringing.

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Dave C. - 14 Dec 2007 18:48 GMT
> Doctors are not much help when it comes tinnitus. Sometimes they say
> the only things they know how to say.
>
> It is more likely to be due to something that changed in your life and
> set up tension in the neck muscles.

How can you relieve tension that can set up in the neck muscles?  Ny neck
muscles tense up from time to thme

Thanks,

Dave C.
Elly Byrne - 14 Dec 2007 19:04 GMT
There are suggestions on this page for neck stretches. Also a link to
another page with lots of exercises.
http://eebee.net/earpain.html
What is causing the neck tension in your life?

Elly

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Discovery consists of looking at the same thing
as everyone else and thinking something different.  
Roger von Oech

"Discovery consists of seeing what everybody else
has seen and thinking what nobody else has thought."
Jonathon Swift, the author of Gulliver's Travels

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>> Doctors are not much help when it comes tinnitus. Sometimes they say
>> the only things they know how to say.
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>Dave C.

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Dave C. - 16 Dec 2007 00:19 GMT
> There are suggestions on this page for neck stretches. Also a link to
> another page with lots of exercises.
> http://eebee.net/earpain.html
> What is causing the neck tension in your life?

I do not know, but the excellent site above points out a number of things
such as trying to sleep on your back in stead on the side.  I always sleep
on my side. Can change that OK and see.

Thanks, Dave C.
Janice - 16 Dec 2007 17:33 GMT
Healthy sleep involves turning into different positions about 50-100
times per night.

>> There are suggestions on this page for neck stretches. Also a link
>> to
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>
> Thanks, Dave C.
Peter Larsen - 15 Dec 2007 18:17 GMT
> Doctors are not much help when it comes tinnitus. Sometimes they say
> the only things they know how to say.

> It is more likely to be due to something that changed in your life and
> set up tension in the neck muscles.

I don't agree in that as a cause and effect mechanism, but it is correct
that a sore neck makes it subjectively worse and that neck relaxation makes
it more bearable.

 Kind regards

 Peter Larsen

> Have a look here:

> http://eebee.net/TinnitusIsaPainintheNeck.html
>
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>> hearing will no longer be "muted" and as well as my ears will stop
>> ringing.
Elly Byrne - 16 Dec 2007 06:32 GMT
Have you proved or disproved it as a cause and effect mechanism?
Or is that just your opinion?
I have proved it in my case.

Elly

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as everyone else and thinking something different.  
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"Discovery consists of seeing what everybody else
has seen and thinking what nobody else has thought."
Jonathon Swift, the author of Gulliver's Travels

http://eebee.net/

>> Doctors are not much help when it comes tinnitus. Sometimes they say
>> the only things they know how to say.
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>>> hearing will no longer be "muted" and as well as my ears will stop
>>> ringing.

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Peter Larsen - 16 Dec 2007 15:49 GMT
> Or is that just your opinion?
> I have proved it in my case.

Elly, one case does not make a general rule.

> Elly

  Kind regards

  Peter Larsen
Peter Larsen - 15 Dec 2007 18:14 GMT
> This is the first time I've experienced ringing in my ears. My ENT
> doctor says it's because there's fluid behind my ear (drum?). He's put
> me on some antibotic, but it's been 5-6 days now, and it hasn't gotten
> better. How does the fluid drain by itself?

Via the eustachian tube from the middle ear to the mouth cavity, it is only
open in some positions of the lower jaw, most open when yawning.

> I don't understand how
> waiting will cause the fluid to drain naturally? Is that even
> possible?

Yes, it appears that the cause of the fluid build up is a throat infection
that has led to swelling that blocks the eustachian tube. Another probable
cause is allergy, but you would likely know that already, unless you have
recently changed chemical environment, such as perhaps a new job.

> Hopefully, after the fluid is drained, then my hearing will
> no longer be "muted" and as well as my ears will stop ringing.

Ask your ENT whether you ought to also use a nasal decongestant, drops
rather than spray in this context, he may have reasons against it and there
are some side effect issues to be aware of, unfortunately the dopeheads have
gotten the best one and the one with the smallest side effects banned by
misusing it, it is a narcotic central stimulant in large doses. No nasal
decongestant may be used constantly, partly because of their possibly severe
side effects and partly because constant use reverses their action.

  Kind regards

  Peter Larsen
Janice - 16 Dec 2007 17:35 GMT
Saline solution nasal spray work just fine as a nasal decongestant.
Try something naturally incurred in your body. No drugs required.

>> This is the first time I've experienced ringing in my ears. My ENT
>> doctor says it's because there's fluid behind my ear (drum?). He's
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>
>   Peter Larsen
Steve Kennedy - 17 Dec 2007 21:01 GMT
First, thanks to all of you for your help.

My ENT did change my prescription from an antibiotic to Allegra-D
(antihistamine and decongestant). I've been on it for 4 days now. My
ear fluid and the ear ringing still doesn't seem any better. It's
tough to get to sleep. I'm going to give it a few days before seeing
some another ENT that recommended a myringotomy to remove the fluid. I
hope that once the fluids gone, my ringing will go away.

One procedure my original ENT did that seemed to help was .... this is
hard to describe ... he closed one of my nostrals, shot some kind of
spray or steam into my other nostral while I was swallowing a small
amount of water. My ears easily popped and my hearing was temporarily
better, but the ringing remained. After 1 day my hearing returned to
being muted. I cannot pop my ears by plugging my nose and mouth and
"pushing". Any other suggestions on how to pop my ears?

Thanks again, for all your help.
Janice - 18 Dec 2007 00:15 GMT
**DONT*** pop your ears. I have heard nothing but bad things about
this.

Try a noise box at night to get to sleep. You can buy them with sounds
of nature etc.. and they can be quite pleasant. Radio Shack used to
sell them for about $19-$29. They shut off on a timer.

> First, thanks to all of you for your help.
>
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>
> Thanks again, for all your help.
Elly Byrne - 18 Dec 2007 18:57 GMT
Forget popping your ears etc.
Get rid of the muscle tension in the neck.
Elly.

>First, thanks to all of you for your help.
>
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>
>Thanks again, for all your help.

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Steve Kennedy - 20 Dec 2007 16:34 GMT
Thanks, but what's the best way to do that? Get rid of muscle tension
in the neck? Someone mentioned a chiropractor.

Four weeks ago or so, I got a severe cold, which caused me to get
bullous myringitis. After that went away, I was diagonsed with "fluid
in my ears". The fluid does seem to be draining, and my hearing is
getting a little better. But the tinnitus has not gotten any better.
Two different doctors thought the tinnitus was being caused by the
fluid, and that the ringing would stop after the fluid drains. I don't
know if that is entirely true yet. My question is, how or when did
muscle tension in the neck come into play?
kenny - 20 Dec 2007 16:45 GMT
In article <113ccce9-8e48-496b-ad6f-6a786cc12088
@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, stephen@ufoundme.com says...
> Thanks, but what's the best way to do that? Get rid of muscle tension
> in the neck? Someone mentioned a chiropractor.
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> know if that is entirely true yet. My question is, how or when did
> muscle tension in the neck come into play?

I've had T for several years now and generally it's been bearable.  
Several weeks ago it flared up again and it has stayed at a constant
high pitch.  This appeared to coincide with a cold and tension in the
neck, the origin of the cold is obvious but the tension not.  There
appears to be a relationship between the tinnitus and tension but I
can't figure what.  Doing neck exercices does not seem to help but I'm
hoping that there is something there that a chiropractor might spot.  
I'm seeing one in the new year and I'll post any observations.
Janice - 20 Dec 2007 19:34 GMT
Acupuncture worked wonders for my children and myself in alleviating
cold symptoms and eustachian tube congestion, many times. The
procedure consisted of massaging the temples, under the occipital
ridge (eustachian tubes) and beside the nose on eahc side with a
mentholated oil (oriental). This was done in a rhythmic pattern
alternating from one to the next until your nose was running down your
face. The ears "popped" and cleared themselves by opening the ear
valves.

This was probably not acupuncture, per se, but a form of massage from
a knowledgable practicioner.

> In article <113ccce9-8e48-496b-ad6f-6a786cc12088
> @e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, stephen@ufoundme.com says...
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> hoping that there is something there that a chiropractor might spot.
> I'm seeing one in the new year and I'll post any observations.
Bluto - 21 Dec 2007 13:29 GMT
>Acupuncture worked wonders for my children and myself in alleviating
>cold symptoms and eustachian tube congestion, many times. The
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>face. The ears "popped" and cleared themselves by opening the ear
>valves.

Thats child abuse!

>This was probably not acupuncture, per se, but a form of massage from
>a knowledgable practicioner.
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>> hoping that there is something there that a chiropractor might spot.
>> I'm seeing one in the new year and I'll post any observations.
Janice - 21 Dec 2007 15:09 GMT
Sorry if you are sickening POS.

<PLONK>

>>Acupuncture worked wonders for my children and myself in alleviating
>>cold symptoms and eustachian tube congestion, many times. The
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>>> spot.
>>> I'm seeing one in the new year and I'll post any observations.
Steve Kennedy - 24 Dec 2007 20:22 GMT
Great. Now I having this popping or fluttering sound occur everytime I
swallow. Does that mean anything to anybody?

So, to clarify this thread ...

1. I got a severe cold; got very dehydrated. (11/28/2007)

2. I started developing a throat problem (very dry and painful).

3. I went to see a general doctor (12/01/2007). He suspected a type of
strep and prescribed Azithromycin.

4. I few days later my ears started ringing a bit. Doctor switched me
to Cephalexin. (12/03/07)

4. My ears started to become muffled and painful and still ringing. So
I immeidately followed up with an ENT doctor (12/4/07)

5. That ENT diagnosed with me bullous myringitis. Told me to stay on
the Cephalexin.

6. Another ENT (second opinion) told me the Bullous Myringitis cleared
up, but then I had "fluid build up behind the ear". (12/10/2007)

8. My original ENT confirmed Bullous Myringits cleared up and told me
to stop Cephalexin and started a 1 month prescription of Allegra-D.
(12/13/2007)

9. Few days later, muffled sound cleared up (12/20/2007), but tinnitus
was still present.

10. And now the tinnitus is in full force, and now everytime I swallow
my ears pop and flutter. Still on Allegra-D.
Peter Larsen - 30 Dec 2007 17:12 GMT
> Great. Now I having this popping or fluttering sound occur everytime I
> swallow. Does that mean anything to anybody?

Yes, it my experience it means that your eustachic tubes work properly. No
guarantee on mileage.

  Kind regards

  Peter Larsen
Elly Byrne - 20 Dec 2007 19:32 GMT
You are the only one who can answer the question of how the tension
srarted. Then again it took me over 10 years before I figured out
mine. But by then I had solved my problem anyway.

Going to more doctors will most likely be useless. All they know is
drugs, and that is not the problem.

Find any trusted massage therapist who will give you a thorough
massage for starters. Then look at your life and see what is
happening.

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How is the machine situated? How is your posture? How is your chair?

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============================

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Elly.

>Thanks, but what's the best way to do that? Get rid of muscle tension
>in the neck? Someone mentioned a chiropractor.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>know if that is entirely true yet. My question is, how or when did
>muscle tension in the neck come into play?

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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 16 Dec 2007 08:24 GMT
> This is the first time I've experienced ringing in my ears. My ENT
> doctor says it's because there's fluid behind my ear (drum?). He's put
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> possible? Hopefully, after the fluid is drained, then my hearing will
> no longer be "muted" and as well as my ears will stop ringing.

In case everything you will have tried fails, go for a couple of
acupuncture treatment....

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