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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / December 2007A friend's testimony of the usefulness of acupuncture used in treating her ear problem.
My friend professor Jenny Jiang had to take a sabetical from her school a few months ago due to her ear problem. I was under the impression that she was suffering from a sudden loss of hearing and tinnitus. She was going through a 'modern' high-tech treatment in China but the improvement was marginal. So I recommended her to go for acupuncture treatment. She took my advice and went for acupuncture treatment. ONE week later, she wrote back the following: ============================== Dear Francis, Thanks for your concern for my health. Yes, I started to have acupuncture from last Monday and I've had it five times. I'm going to have that for another week. It seems I'm getting much better. Thank you for recommending acupuncture..... ================================= Those of you, in particular Jim Chinnis, who are interested in her acupuncture experience can write to her at the following email address: jennyxxcn@hotmail.com She has consented to receiving emails from any of you and is prepared to answer questions. So feel free to write to her for a testimony of her acupuncture experience. FP The email address is jennyxxcn@hotmail.com jennyxxcn@hotmail.com On 11月21日, 下午8时09分, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > My friend professor Jenny Jiang had to take a sabetical from her > school a few months ago due to her ear problem. I was under the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > FP Her username is 'jennyxxcn' ============================= On 11月21日, 下午8时09分, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > My friend professor Jenny Jiang had to take a sabetical from her > school a few months ago due to her ear problem. I was under the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > FP what a crock of BS! >My friend professor Jenny Jiang had to take a sabetical from her >school a few months ago due to her ear problem. I was under the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >FP > what a crock of BS! fyfpoon is a chicken hawk Please don't feed the hawks. Jamffer We don't want to hear any truths. >> what a crock of BS! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jamffer > We don't want to hear any truths. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Years ago when some people were told that the earth was spherical in shape, they also expressed the same kind of cynicism or disbelief. That kind of distrusting, however, was understandable in view of the lack of communication technology on a global basis. These days information flow is easily accessible but closed-mindedness does present an expected stumbling block to learning. >> We don't want to hear any truths. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >information flow is easily accessible but closed-mindedness does >present an expected stumbling block to learning. Right like fools posting magical cures to health problems, preying on the elderly and weak people to enhance their pocketbooks at the expense of people seeking real help in newsgroups, books and infomercials. Try a different whine, fool. You sound like a nagler sock puppet with your "attack what you don't understand" attitude. I would think most are better than that. >>> We don't want to hear any truths. >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > expense of people seeking real help in newsgroups, books and > infomercials. I got your sock puppet swinging Janice. >Try a different whine, fool. You sound like a nagler sock puppet with >your "attack what you don't understand" attitude. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> expense of people seeking real help in newsgroups, books and >> infomercials. > On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:54:53 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com" > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > expense of people seeking real help in newsgroups, books and > infomercials.- 隐藏被引用文字 - How do I enhance my pocketbooks by posting what I have posted? When this profit motive is absent, you can no longer maintain this absurb argument of yours. You have been replying to my posts in such a hostile manner not because you know what is right for the elderly and weak people but because you do that out of a 'bad habit' passed down in your family for generations. It is in this generation of yours, I hope, that this bad habit will be totally eradicated. > - 显示引用的文字 - >> On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:54:53 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com" >> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >for generations. It is in this generation of yours, I hope, that this >bad habit will be totally eradicated. I never had this problem until I tried GB for my tinnitus. Its what caused it, a side effect perhaps. Maybe I should try acupuncture on a full moon. >> - ?????????????? - > On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:14:15 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com" > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > caused it, a side effect perhaps. Maybe I should try acupuncture on a > full moon. So what is physical in nature has been turned into a mental one. Is this what you are suggesting? > >> - ?????????????? -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - >> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:14:15 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com" >> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >So what is physical in nature has been turned into a mental one. Is >this what you are suggesting? Yes, The "GB EFFECT" >> >> - ?????????????? -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > what a crock of BS! I brought you this testimony out of good intention. Mind you, something that is initiated out of a noble intention can be a crock of BS too. But you have to thoroughly research into this or do a lot of findings before attempting to discredit her experience. You don't just shoot something out of your mouth as a habit for things you don't understand or dislike. I realize a bad habit passed down from the forefathers dies hard but please do make an effort to eradicate it inspite of the poor job that the public high schooling in America has done for you. > On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:09:31 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com" > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >> what a crock of BS! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >just shoot something out of your mouth as a habit for things you don't >understand or dislike. I know BS when I see it. You spew an awful lot of it. >I realize a bad habit passed down from the forefathers dies hard but >please do make an effort to eradicate it inspite of the poor job that >the public high schooling in America has done for you. NO school is need to spot a fool like you and all your BIG CURES and WILD CLAIMS. I bet you'be been abducted by aliens and have a metallic object(tracking device) planted in your gonad, drank tea with Sasquawtch, swam with Loch Ness Monster, have a statue that cries, drank GB and your hemorrhoids vanished, had acupuncture and now have night vision, etc etc...all the other BS claims. I think you spent your school days watching tv infomercials with all their cures and claims too. No matter how far fetcher any of these can be you can always find tons of fools, like yourself, who step in line and get brainwashed by these hucksters. >> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:09:31 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com" >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text - > On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:46:11 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com" > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I know BS when I see it. How do you know if something is BS? You have to have a benchmark upon which something can be judged as BS. If I were to suggest that someone is an arsehold when I see his name being Bluto, would you accept that line of reasoning? You spew an awful lot of it. Being angry gets you nowhere! But then again, getting hurt a bit is a sign that you are taking the first step in the right direction. > >I realize a bad habit passed down from the forefathers dies hard but > >please do make an effort to eradicate it inspite of the poor job that [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > - 显示引用的文字 - >> On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 22:46:11 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com" >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >How do you know if something is BS? You have to have a benchmark upon >which something can be judged as BS. Because I am smart. My benchmark are posts like yours. >If I were to suggest that >someone is an arsehold when I see his name being Bluto, would you >accept that line of reasoning? I seem to recall seeing this exact line of reasoning in some messages regarding fyfpoon@gmail.com > You spew an awful lot of it. Blame it on GB. It did it to me. >Being angry gets you nowhere! But then again, getting hurt a bit is a >sign that you are taking the first step in the right direction. [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >> >> - ?????????????? - > On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:09:23 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com" > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Blame it on GB. It did it to me. Blame it on yourself. You did this to yourself. > >Being angry gets you nowhere! But then again, getting hurt a bit is a > >sign that you are taking the first step in the right direction. [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:09:23 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com" >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >Blame it on yourself. You did this to yourself. No, it was all the GB claims in usenet and internet. >> >Being angry gets you nowhere! But then again, getting hurt a bit is a >> >sign that you are taking the first step in the right direction. [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text - > On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:21:08 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com" > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > No, it was all the GB claims in usenet and internet. But GB claims are still on. So are you going to be stupid forever? > >> >Being angry gets you nowhere! But then again, getting hurt a bit is a > >> >sign that you are taking the first step in the right direction. [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > - 显示引用的文字 - >> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:21:08 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com" >> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >But GB claims are still on. So are you going to be stupid forever? What? >> >> >Being angry gets you nowhere! But then again, getting hurt a bit is a >> >> >sign that you are taking the first step in the right direction. [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] >> >> - ?????????????? - Hi fyfpoon, A sample of one, and I realise you have the best of intentions, does not actually amount to a data set that you can use to promulgate a medical theory. You have scoffed at the poster, Bluto, for not providing evidence, while you have only provided the anecdotal sort. I think I have told you that my Doctor and my Consultant both recommended acupuncture as a possible treatment, it had little effect. You might find this interesting, if somewhat disappointing: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&uid=10772302&cmd=showdetailvi ew&indexed=google Best regards John PS I have plenty of other references for your perusal. > Hi fyfpoon, > > A sample of one, and I realise you have the best of intentions, does > not actually amount to a data set that you can use to promulgate a > medical theory. I don't promulgate a theory, you fool, and I simply suggested people to talk to another person who has had success with acupuncture in treating her ear problem. That, however, does not suggest acu treatment is effective for all. Go to church for a change rather than picking up a few words from what I said and making an issue of it... You have scoffed at the poster, Bluto, for not > providing evidence, while you have only provided the anecdotal sort. > I think I have told you that my Doctor and my Consultant both [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > PS I have plenty of other references for your perusal. On Nov 24, 7:34 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi fyfpoon, > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > > PS I have plenty of other references for your perusal. I appreciate your reply, the politeness is always there. I can't imagine how your parents must have treated you. Shame. Best regards John > On Nov 24, 7:34 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > - 显示引用的文字 - It is a shame that someone like yourself who wasted so much government resources spent in public education could have become so ignorant and ignorant in a malignant way. YOu never ask the other side to clarify what you don't understand but instead deliver a lengthy disgusting lecture with the diction of making negative criticism for something that practically comes with a noble intention. >> On Nov 24, 7:34 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >lecture with the diction of making negative criticism for something >that practically comes with a noble intention. Let me break this down: In other words, John Makes Sense. > On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 04:57:55 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com" > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > - 显示引用的文字 - Why don't you appoint yourself to be a savior of the "elderly and the weak people"? Advise them to take ATIVAN and other addictive drugs to cover up their tinnitus. These addictive drugs are not 'alien' but are very local and very American. Go ahead! >> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 04:57:55 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com" >> [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >cover up their tinnitus. These addictive drugs are not 'alien' but >are very local and very American. Go ahead! What? On Nov 24, 7:57 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Nov 24, 7:34 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > lecture with the diction of making negative criticism for something > that practically comes with a noble intention. Hi fyfpoon, Its a shame that you fail to address in a polite manner. What is a tragic waste of an education is an individual who uses the same word more than once in a single sentence, ironical that the word is 'ignorant', don't you think? It puts all your pontificating about your, hitherto unknown, educational achievements into perspective. You have no noble intentions here, just self aggrandisement, which the majority here just can't abide, hence the hostility that you attract. If you think I am generalising than I will be more than happy to compile a list of responses to your previous posts from other subscribers. If you think this is malign, then I am sorry, it really is not. If I responded and said your are a transparent GB peddling half wit, then that would be, since I really have no idea that is your business. I take pains to avoid making suppositions, if only you could about certain treatments. I remain politely with, Best regards John >On Nov 24, 7:57 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > >John You tell 'em John! > On Nov 24, 7:57 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > more than once in a single sentence, ironical that the word is > 'ignorant', don't you think? No, I don't judge an individual by the way he uses a language. Talking about the use of language and in this case English, I am curious if you want to make any correction of the above. However, this would have nothing to do with our debate on acu treatment. You do have to know that, don't you? It puts all your pontificating about > your, hitherto unknown, educational achievements into perspective. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Hi fyfpoon, Lets turn back to my post regarding acupuncture. Could you please comment on the abstract that I posted with a link to the NIH? If you have any doubts about the findings of these more than able scientists, I will be happy to provide more such links. I await your answer, Best regards John Very biased, poor quality study done by authors, obviously out to make a name for themselves, despite any truth that may have been found. Look at the authors and some of their other articles. These guys studied a few bulletin boards (biased sources) to find out if peer reviewed, controlled studies have been performed and based on that conclude acupuncture has no effect on tinnitis. > Hi fyfpoon, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > John > Very biased, poor quality study done by authors, obviously out to make > a name for themselves, despite any truth that may have been found. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > John Hi Janice, You might want to read this link.... http://www.library.nhs.uk/cam/ViewResource.aspx?resID=241383 Could you please present evidence from a major medical centre or university that proves the efficacy of acupuncture for tinnitus please, thanks. Best regards John I don't have to. I have a few personal friends with great success with acupuncture as well as some online. Can you present negative rsults using scientific methodology proving acupunture doesn't work? >> Very biased, poor quality study done by authors, obviously out to >> make [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > John > Hi fyfpoon, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > John I have no time to look into whatever you direct me to go into and spend my time there. The purpose of this post is to have anyone who doubts if acupuncture helps deafness to talk to someone who has had the experience. On Nov 26, 9:30 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi fyfpoon, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > doubts if acupuncture helps deafness to talk to someone who has had > the experience. Hi fyfpoon, That is a strange answer from someone who implored another poster for evidence when met with a contary view point. More hippocratic reasoning rather than hypocrisy might help all of us. Best regards John >On Nov 26, 9:30 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >John You got him again John! > On Nov 26, 9:30 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > - Show quoted text - It is strange to you but not strange to me or anyone else. (1)For the use of acupuncture treatment on ear problems, look up Google or Yahoo or any search engine. (2)For the proper use of English, try alt.usage.english. Post your question there and people will answer it. (3)If you had difficulty in contacting professor Jenny, let me know. (4)If you want to demonstrate a bad habit, you can share your experience with Bluto. >> On Nov 26, 9:30 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >(4)If you want to demonstrate a bad habit, you can share your >experience with Bluto. (5) The truth Hurts, Bluto knows all! > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:44:42 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com" > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > (5) The truth Hurts, Bluto knows all!- 隐藏被引用文字 - The truth is: fyfpoon has not been too far off the mark when he calls you 'trash'. Of course you know what you are. > - 显示引用的文字 - >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:44:42 -0800 (PST), "fyfp...@gmail.com" >> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >The truth is: fyfpoon has not been too far off the mark when he calls >you 'trash'. Of course you know what you are. Exactly! You haven't been TOO far off, you've been WAY FAR OFF! Maybe you need acupuncture? Or a pyramid. Or a stiff shot of GB. >> Hi fyfpoon, >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >doubts if acupuncture helps deafness to talk to someone who has had >the experience. I will do that after I am done talking to people who have had the experiene of being abducted by aliens and now have metallic objects in their gonads(supposedly tracking devices). Posting ridiculous and stupid statements only makes you look that way. It doesn't offer any information about the subject at hand but rather the poster. >>> Hi fyfpoon, >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > in > their gonads(supposedly tracking devices). >Posting ridiculous and stupid statements only makes you look that way. >It doesn't offer any information about the subject at hand but rather >the poster. Check again. Its not me making stupid statements like GB and/or acupuncture cures/helps tinnitus. You know anyone too who has had tinnitus relief using magnetic earrings(WARNING: REMOVE MAGNETIC EARRINGS BEFORE ACUPUNCTURE)? Or by sitting in a pyramid? >>>> Hi fyfpoon, >>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> in >> their gonads(supposedly tracking devices). Your statement speaks volumes. >>Posting ridiculous and stupid statements only makes you look that >>way. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >>> in >>> their gonads(supposedly tracking devices). So does yours, especially since you are male and use a female name in NG. Whats up wit dat? Oh I realize now, you're from Canaduh! That explains it all! >Your statement speaks volumes. > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >>>> in >>>> their gonads(supposedly tracking devices). Even your trolls are stupid. Very poor attempt at humour or trolling. I'll give you this though. We have answered so far. So, you think I am male, eh? > So does yours, especially since you are male and use a female name > in [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >>>>> in >>>>> their gonads(supposedly tracking devices). >Even your trolls are stupid. Very poor attempt at humour or trolling. > >I'll give you this though. We have answered so far. > >So, you think I am male, eh? I haven't physically checked and don't care to but I seem to recall someone saying your name is Larry. >> So does yours, especially since you are male and use a female name >> in [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >>>>>> in >>>>>> their gonads(supposedly tracking devices). I get called a lot of things by the OCD crowd in many groups. Some people just have to find something on everybody when they suffer the insecurity of there convictions. If you can't confuse 'em with the facts, baffle them with bullshit. You sound very gullible. >>Even your trolls are stupid. Very poor attempt at humour or >>trolling. [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> their gonads(supposedly tracking devices). >On Nov 24, 7:34 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >John Always be polite, it could generate a GB sale! >> Hi fyfpoon, >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >treatment is effective for all. Go to church for a change rather than >picking up a few words from what I said and making an issue of it... No matter what huckster product/health cure-all product you'll always find those who claim to "have had success" with it. They like to see their name and/or picture on a flyer as a "testimony" to how well it cures! > You have scoffed at the poster, Bluto, for not >> providing evidence, while you have only provided the anecdotal sort. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> PS I have plenty of other references for your perusal. >Hi fyfpoon, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >John My evidence is all the elderly and others who were scammed by GB pushers. >PS I have plenty of other references for your perusal.
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