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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / November 2007Do us all a favor...
...and jump off a cliff, fyfpoon. Like thousands have said before me, there are no clinical results that prove GB has any effect whatsoever on tinnitus. Granted, it may help those with circulatory issues where they "hear" the blood vessels pounding in their head; for those of us who suffer from a static ringing sound originating from within the brain itself, there is no miracle drug. If there were, it certainly wouldn't come in the form of a $10.00 bottle of compacted herbs that does nothing other than to help the patient become immune to its effects, however minimal they may be. So how about instead of pitching your little ginko biloba speech into every topic, you recommend a treatment that's lasting and doesn't come with the unfortunate side-effect of becoming dependent? Oh, what's that? There is none? Good, it looks like your case is closed. Go ahead and drown your sorrows in a bottle of ginko while I listen to some music and get on with my life. The only thing GB is good at doing is deflating your billfold, while inflating the billfolds of the GB peddlers. >...and jump off a cliff, fyfpoon. Like thousands have said before me, >there are no clinical results that prove GB has any effect whatsoever [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >sorrows in a bottle of ginko while I listen to some music and get on >with my life. On Nov 8, 1:53 am, JarinWh...@gmail.com wrote: > ...and jump off a cliff, fyfpoon. Like thousands have said before me, Have you done a survey on 'thousands' in this ng? Do you need to use 'this is what _other people_say' mannerism of speaking in order to prove a point? > there are no clinical results that prove GB has any effect whatsoever > on tinnitus. Granted, it may help those with circulatory issues where > they "hear" the blood vessels pounding in their head; for those of us > who suffer from a static ringing sound originating from within the > brain itself, there is no miracle drug. Who has said GB is effective for tinnitus of *all* causes? You yourself have just said that "Granted, it may help those with circulatory issues where they "hear" the blood vessels pounding in their head..." Thus if it helps some, it is good enough. Does it have to be a cure for all? If there were, it certainly > wouldn't come in the form of a $10.00 bottle of compacted herbs that > does nothing other than to help the patient become immune to its [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Oh, what's that? There is none? If you are looking for a cure-all solution, you are in the wrong place. > Good, it looks like your case is closed. Go ahead and drown your > sorrows in a bottle of ginko while I listen to some music and get on > with my life. Go ahead and continue to speak with the diction of the 'trash', something you have inherited from your forefathers who immigrated to NA from the lowest social echelon in the home countries. On Nov 7, 7:05 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Nov 8, 1:53 am, JarinWh...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > immigrated to NA > from the lowest social echelon in the home countries. What is your obsession with the social hierarchy? Are you so insecure with your own that you have to bring everyone else down to your level? I've noticed that every time you have a rebuttal you have to throw the social card onto the table. It seems to me you picked out the one newsgroup where people go for support for an illness with few cures, and attempt to convince them to buy your drugs by sneaking in that last window of hope they have; and when they refuse to do so, you return to your childhood roots and attempt to harm them where you think it hurts most. Please, find something less generic to insult; I won't attempt to defend my social status, as I can assure you it's far greater than that of an herb peddler. On 11 8 , 9 19 , JarinWh...@gmail.com wrote: > On Nov 7, 7:05 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > What is your obsession with the social hierarchy? Are you so insecure > with your own that you have to bring everyone else down to your level? Not *everyone* but people like yourself who have a foul mouth. Once again, you are speaking like one of the low-classed British islanders in Hong Kong employing frequently 'other people'...'everyone' as a support you need to make a point. Shame on you! Are you an American? If you were, please speak like one. > I've noticed that every time you have a rebuttal you have to throw the > social card onto the table. What other methods are more potent than this one in eradicating a bad habit inherited from the trashy forefathers. I used this method to liquidate the trashy elements in the Canadian ngs years ago and it proved to be effective. > It seems to me you picked out the one newsgroup where people go for > support for an illness with few cures, and attempt to convince them to > buy your drugs by sneaking in that last window of hope they have; and > when they refuse to do so, you return to your childhood roots and > attempt to harm them where you think it hurts most. Please, I don't sell drug, you stupid trash. Please and please.... speak on behalf of yourself only rather than do so collectively. Who are you to speak on behalf of the group by using 'other people' theory? The latter is a hallmark of the trashy element falling into the category of the lowest social echelon, which is where you belong. find > something less generic to insult; I won't attempt to defend my social > status, Your social status is not worth defending anyway. You come into ng and ridicule people who have different opinions with a diction reminiscient of those who were breeded in family settings where the father is a drunk and a bum. as I can assure you it's far greater than that of an herb > peddler.- - > > - - >On 11 8 , 9 19 , JarinWh...@gmail.com wrote: >> On Nov 7, 7:05 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] >> >> - - Settle down fyfpoon. Put your bong away and pour yourself a tall cool glass of GB and chill out mate! > On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 06:30:31 -0800, "fyfp...@gmail.com" > [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > > - - Truth hurts? On Nov 8, 2:30 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 11 8 , 9 19 , JarinWh...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > > > - - Why are you so keen to insult posters families? Would we do that to you? I certainly would not stoop to such behaviour. The onset of tinnitus is quite a frightening experience. In those first critical weeks you read about nothing else but the dreaded 'T'. Most here will have tried many remedies including GB, and for most it does not work. We have had to move on, I suggest you might do the same, since you have had such a good experience. Have a little empathy for the rest of us who probably are suffering a great deal more than you are. I think you might even think about leaving this NG since your condition has improved so much... Just a thought... Best regards John Funny thing how these newbies want to run the group, suddenly. Or is it just a case of a cowardice, not wanting to post under his own name, naglering the group again. > On Nov 8, 2:30 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 11 8 , 9 19 , JarinWh...@gmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 141 lines] > > John > Funny thing how these newbies want to run the group, suddenly. Or is > it just a case of a cowardice, not wanting to post under his own name, > naglering the group again. Only one guilty of that is YOU. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Susan Hah! You got that right Susan! Please don't echo the troll's posts. I have her or his posts killfiltered since so much trouble surrounds her/him on a regular basis. Thanx >>x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Hah! You got that right Susan! >Please don't echo the troll's posts. I have her or his posts >killfiltered since so much trouble surrounds her/him on a regular >basis. I'm surprised a newie such as yourself knows how to use a kill filter. I am surprised a troll, such as yourself wouldn't be more skilled with his technique. >>Please don't echo the troll's posts. I have her or his posts >>killfiltered since so much trouble surrounds her/him on a regular >>basis. > > I'm surprised a newie such as yourself knows how to use a kill > filter. >I am surprised a troll, such as yourself wouldn't be more skilled with >his technique. I'm surprise a fool, such as yourself, is very less skilled with any technique >>>Please don't echo the troll's posts. I have her or his posts >>>killfiltered since so much trouble surrounds her/him on a regular >>>basis. >> >> I'm surprised a newie such as yourself knows how to use a kill >> filter. > Funny thing how these newbies want to run the group, suddenly. Or is > it just a case of a cowardice, not wanting to post under his own name, [quoted text clipped - 145 lines] > > > John Hi Janice You know as much about me as I do you. You know my first name, and I know yours. I have no intention of trying to 'run' this newsgroup. I think I would have to be much better qualified medically to even attempt such a thing. Fyfpoon has posted to the effect that GB has improved his tinnitus condition so much I wounder if he still feels that is a sufferer of the ailment. I only wish I could find a remedy that was so effective... Best regards John >Hi Janice > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >John Yes John and Fyfpoon is also a victim of alien abduction, photographed Sasquatch and the Loch Ness monster, has a persperation stain in the arm pit of his favorite tie-dyed shirt of Elvis, among many other claims like GB as a cure all. I have researched and tried many things also, as has Fryfoon. I have found a cure for my tinnitus also and it wasn't Ginko. His point, and mine is: stop whining helplessly about tinnitus and do somethinbg about it. It may not work, at first. It may never work. Try something else, but stop saying (and thinking) it's hopeless. Only the medical profession thinks it's hopeless to try. Most people with success elsewhere, think the medical profession is hopeless. I assume you are a nameshifter and the OP here. >> Funny thing how these newbies want to run the group, suddenly. Or >> is [quoted text clipped - 192 lines] > > John >I have researched and tried many things also, as has Fryfoon. I have >found a cure for my tinnitus also and it wasn't Ginko. Oh, I bet it was goji juice. >His point, and mine is: stop whining helplessly about tinnitus and do >somethinbg about it. It may not work, at first. It may never work. Try >something else, but stop saying (and thinking) it's hopeless. Only the >medical profession thinks it's hopeless to try. Most people with >success elsewhere, think the medical profession is hopeless. Ok Doc! > I have researched and tried many things also, as has Fryfoon. I have > found a cure for my tinnitus also and it wasn't Ginko. [quoted text clipped - 207 lines] > > > John Hi Janice, No doubt you are a successful person, probably more so than me. I do not judge the health profession by the institution, but by the individuals and their expertise. I am happy to take advice off anyone who has an notion than can be verified via google ;-). This may come as a further shock to you, but others here can bear this out, we have probably all wasted quite a bit of money trying remedies that do not work for us, and we have moved on to the next treatment. I doubt many of us moan about our condition, we just get on with our lives and try to do the best we can, occasionally getting news alerts about tinnitus. You say you have found a cure, naturally I am happy for you. Tell me why you come back here? If I found a cure, I would inform the group the treatment that brought this happy eventuality to bear, and unsubscribe. Best regards John I have reported my findings as well as fryfoon has and it has been met with your classic skepticism, as you display now. Some things become evident: - an institution is represented by it's members - I have reported my "treatment" here many times, as has fryfoon - you seem to be an observant person, - you participate as a "moaner" of tinnitus by your own statements - you claim to be one of the "wasted quite a bit of money trying remedies" How did my remedy work for you? I cannot unsubscribe, as I didn't subscribe in the first place. > Hi Janice, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > John > I have reported my findings as well as fryfoon has and it has been met > with your classic skepticism, as you display now. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > > John Hi Janice, Even in a bad institution there are alway outstanding individuals. The health system in any country is not held in high esteem, there are always great practitioners. I do not moan about my tinnitus. At the same time I am not happy at the loss of silence. Tinnitus can be quite difficult, and there is always, initially at any rate, a determination to get rid of it. I think many here have made an investment into treatments based on how much they can afford, or on how loud the ringing or hissing is. I do know this, if my condition suddenly improved to the point of cessation, I would not visit this forum, or if I did, I certainly would refrain from being bombastic with those who I know are suffering more than myself. Best regards John How did my remedy work for you? >> I have reported my findings as well as fryfoon has and it has been >> met [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > John >I have reported my findings as well as fryfoon has and it has been met >with your classic skepticism, as you display now. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >I cannot unsubscribe, as I didn't subscribe in the first place. She's just a fryfoon groupie >> Hi Janice, >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> >> John >> I have researched and tried many things also, as has Fryfoon. I have >> found a cure for my tinnitus also and it wasn't Ginko. [quoted text clipped - 214 lines] >individuals and their expertise. I am happy to take advice off anyone >who has an notion than can be verified via google ;-). HA! Now that IS a joke! hahahehehehhohohoh >This may come as a further shock to you, but others here can bear this >out, we have probably all wasted quite a bit of money trying remedies [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >the treatment that brought this happy eventuality to bear, and >unsubscribe. She has no cure. She is a fryfoon groupie and a GB peddler. Find these trolls in newsgroups and chatrooms pertaining to health. These fools liter the internet boasting their claims and hogwash only to enrich their pocketbook. >Best regards > >John > She has no cure. She is a fryfoon groupie and a GB peddler. Find > these trolls in newsgroups and chatrooms pertaining to health. These > fools liter the internet boasting their claims and hogwash only to > enrich their pocketbook. She isn't a she, either. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Susan Ohhhhhhhhhhh!! one of those eh? Humm lets see, she/he is a troll, newbie and crossdresser. I guess that GB can do crazy things to a person! Shame on you Mr. Janice > Ohhhhhhhhhhh!! one of those eh? Humm lets see, she/he is a troll, > newbie and crossdresser. I guess that GB can do crazy things to a > person! Shame on you Mr. Janice Not a newbie, not necessarily a cross dresser, just using a nym for real name, Larry Lix. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Susan Larry Licks? haha I guess what. > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Susan Lix is a vulgar nym for his Canadian-French name, which I have somewhere. He's a convicted felon for threatening to murder a poster on this group. The Canadians take stalking and death threats seriously. Kitchener, Ontario, North American HQ for Nazis. He's back at his old games, it seems. I wonder if the Crown knows he's stalking and threatening people here again? You'd think a felony conviction would slow him down a bit, but he seems determined. It may be time to inform Canadian authorities that he's broken his parole. He's a dangerous and insane man, and a bona fide troll, a perfect match for Poon, who is also a classic and true Usenet troll and racist. Poon and Janice, sittin' in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g. What is it about this group that attracts such angry people? > Lix is a vulgar nym for his Canadian-French name, which I have somewhere. > He's a convicted felon for threatening to murder a poster on this group. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > What is it about this group that attracts such angry people? Lix isn't a danger, he's just another loser who can't stay out of pissing matches online. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Susan I gotcha...a male who uses a females name(Janice) isn't to scarey unless you drop the soap in the shower. Must be the Atkin's diet or too much GB. > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > - - Do you have anything intellectual to say or are you just trying to excrete something out of your rectum? >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >What is it about this group that attracts such angry people? Sounds like a baaaaaaaaaaad man. Perhaps the OPP would be most interested in his usenet activities if he resumes his staking and threats. One less troll here would be a good thing. > > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > What is it about this group that attracts such angry people? It is because this group is filled with people who have bad habits of attacking and ridiculing views to which they disagree and do so without evidence and reasoning but employing a lot of ghastly mannerism of speaking such as 'other people say' trash. You have your facts twisted badly. Lix was never convicted of anything to do with this newsgroup or the Internet. Nagler was the only other knowledgeable source of information on this topic. He lied to this group, and the Canadian authorities, repeatedly, regarding this issue. Lix never openly reported the mockery Nagler made of the legal system. Your very statements, repeated below, is a strong indicator of an immature, sick mind. You introduce racism, prejudice, attempt to introduce hatred as well as childish rants. This is typical and classic ad hominem attack when views, that expose your narrow-mindedness, are introduced into an open forum for discussion. Lix did this group a favour, as part of a group effort to rid this group of a long term irritant, antagonist, attempting to shut down open minded discussion about tinnitus. You appear to attempt to regurgitate the demise of the group flavor with the same technique. Your techniques are not appreciated in other groups, despite attempts to conceal your identity through the usage of sock puppets. >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > What is it about this group that attracts such angry people? Notice how Nagler is silent when discovered again? > You have your facts twisted badly. > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] >> >> What is it about this group that attracts such angry people? Please, stop with these flames. We have the need of "silence"! :) Peace, L. >Funny thing how these newbies want to run the group, suddenly. Or is >it just a case of a cowardice, not wanting to post under his own name, >naglering the group again. Yes, you certainly want to newbie Janice >> On Nov 8, 2:30 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 11 8 , 9 19 , JarinWh...@gmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 141 lines] >> >> John > On Nov 8, 2:30 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] > > Why are you so keen to insult posters families? Not poster's families but their social origin. It is not an insult but a description of the cause of their bad habit. If they stop the bad habit of ridiculing what others have to say in this group, they would not have to go through the pain of being revealed where they got their bad habit. Would we do that to > you? Use *I* NOT *we*, as you are speaking on your own behalf rather than as a group. I certainly would not stoop to such behaviour. If you behave properly, you would not need to stoop to anyone. > The onset of tinnitus is quite a frightening experience. In those > first critical weeks you read about nothing else but the dreaded 'T'. > Most here will have tried many remedies including GB, and for most it > does not work. How do you know *most* here? Have you done a survey on all of those who have come here and gone from here? By using 'other people say' as a bench mark upon which all viewpoints are to be examined is a bad habit which you might have picked up from the group of people with whom you have interacted. We have had to move on, I suggest you might do the > same, since you have had such a good experience. How do you know *we* or what *you* have done through? I have used ginko biloba and it is great, you fool! Have a little > empathy for the rest of us who probably are suffering a great deal > more than you are. How do you know this *us* or *you*? Don't just throw some sh.t here and there in the belief that things can be done simply by speaking English properly... > I think you might even think about leaving this NG since your > condition has improved so much... Just a thought... Is this what the 'other people' say? > Best regards > > John- - > > - - On Nov 11, 2:30 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Nov 8, 2:30 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 150 lines] > > > - - Hi fyfpoon, I took part in a survey conducted at St Mary's in London earlier this year. So I do have a fairly good idea how people who are afflicted with tinnitus feel. If you want I can send you the questionnaire and the results if you so wish. I would never think of personally blaming any person of Chinese origin for the worst aspects of the nation state. That is intellectually bankrupt. You might want to bear this in mind, both Mozart and Hitler were Austrian. One a sublime genius, the other, of the worse genocidal maniacs in history. Just in case the point is lost on you, Su Shi, is regarded as one of the greatest polymaths in history, and Mao as a genocidal maniac. Best regards John > On Nov 11, 2:30 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 173 lines] > > - Show quoted text - What has this got to do with Mao or Chinese or anything? Are you assuming that I am a Chinese by the username I use. I am talking about a social origin and how the influence from an origin is related to a person's behavior, while you are talking about a race of people and how his racial origin is related to his behavior. On Nov 12, 5:58 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Nov 11, 2:30 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 179 lines] > to a person's behavior, while you are talking about a race of people > and how his racial origin is related to his behavior. Hi fyfpoon, So your supposition is that social origin determines how we behave? A person from the lower echelons of society will grow up to be an uncouth slob, is that it? Just so we are clear, I do not think social origin or race is what determines behaviour. Certainly how anyone behaves here is done to the pathological aspects of their personality... Best regards John > On Nov 12, 5:58 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 187 lines] > person from the lower echelons of society will grow up to be an > uncouth slob, is that it? You have a way of putting things into a perspective to your favor. Though one's social origin definitely has an influence on one's behavior, it does not mean everyone will come into the ng and does so at will like some of the trash around. > Just so we are clear, Use *I*....dear... I do not think social origin or race is what > determines behaviour. Who has mentioned 'race;? You brought this up. If you don't think one's social origin determines behavior, it is your opinion which like anyone's opinion should be accepted as such. Certainly how anyone behaves here is done to > the pathological aspects of their personality... in your opinion, of course.... > Best regards > > John- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - On Nov 13, 8:26 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Nov 12, 5:58 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 216 lines] > > > - Show quoted text - You don't think pathological aspects of personality determine one's behaviour? >On Nov 13, 8:26 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 221 lines] >You don't think pathological aspects of personality determine one's >behaviour? Whatta blow hard! sheeeeeeeeeeeesh! > On Nov 13, 8:26 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 223 lines] > > - Show quoted text - i am not saying that but simply suggested you should have qualified it as your own opinion rather than something that should be universally taken. On Nov 8, 1:53 am, JarinWh...@gmail.com wrote: > ...and jump off a cliff, fyfpoon. Like thousands have said before me, Have you done a survey on 'thousands' in this ng? Do you need to use 'this is what _other people_say' mannerism of speaking in order to prove a point? > there are no clinical results that prove GB has any effect whatsoever > on tinnitus. Granted, it may help those with circulatory issues where > they "hear" the blood vessels pounding in their head; for those of us > who suffer from a static ringing sound originating from within the > brain itself, there is no miracle drug. Who has said GB is effective for tinnitus of *all* causes? You yourself have just said that "Granted, it may help those with circulatory issues where they "hear" the blood vessels pounding in their head..." Thus if it helps some, it is good enough. Does it have to be a cure for all? If there were, it certainly > wouldn't come in the form of a $10.00 bottle of compacted herbs that > does nothing other than to help the patient become immune to its [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Oh, what's that? There is none? If you are looking for a cure-all solution, you are in the wrong place. > Good, it looks like your case is closed. Go ahead and drown your > sorrows in a bottle of ginko while I listen to some music and get on > with my life. Go ahead and continue to speak with the diction of the 'trash', something you have inherited from your forefathers who immigrated to NA from the lowest social echelon in the home countries. > ...and jump off a cliff, fyfpoon. Like thousands have said before me, > there are no clinical results that prove GB has any effect whatsoever [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > sorrows in a bottle of ginko while I listen to some music and get on > with my life. "Was no more effective than placebo" Given that nerve damage and certain blood vessel disorders can lead to tinnitus (the perception of ringing, hissing, or other sound in the ears or head when no external sound is present), some researchers have investigated whether ginkgo relieves symptoms of this hearing disorder. Although the quality of most studies was poor, the reviewers concluded that ginkgo moderately relieves the loudness of the tinnitus sound. However, a well-designed study including 1,121 people with tinnitus found that ginkgo (given 3 times daily for 3 months) was no more effective than placebo in relieving symptoms of tinnitus. Given these conflicting findings, the therapeutic value of ginkgo for tinnitus remains uncertain. In general, tinnitus is a very difficult problem to treat. © 2007 University of Maryland Medical Center (UMMC). All rights reserved. I love this thread. It reminds me of the good ol' Nagler Yoli days. Nagler is still here. He jusr never uses his real name anymore. However, his cloak and dagger and sock puppets remain. >I love this thread. It reminds me of the good ol' Nagler Yoli days.
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