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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / October 2007Is a bottle of gingko necessarily less valuable than a 'thorough' high-tech examination?
When my T was torturing me a few years ago, I went to see quite a few specialists. These are not the 'peasant' herb doctors but are high- tech 'scientific-minded' people. These were the results: (1)after an expensive check-up, sent me away with a bottle of vitamin B. (2)after an expensive check-up, hooked me into ATIVAN. This was the worst experience I had ever had with high-tech doctors. (3)after an expensive check-up, sent me away with a bottle of betahistine and DUXARIL. While betahistine helped, DUXARIL caused me to suffer from insomnia at the time when I needed it the most and I found this med DUXARIL to be constantly conflicting with betahistine. I finally took the initiative to take this med off. (4)after an expensive check-up, advised me to take PROZAC. I did not follow the advice. (5)after an expensive check-up, put me on frunarzinide hydrochloride. This med helped. (6)after an expensive check-up,prescribed me 12 days of intravenous injection. It did help but my T bounced back later on. (7)Finally, i went to visit a general physician in HK and he sent me away with ginko biloba. (7) had been the most effective but what rescued me from the torturing chamber of T was a couple of acupuncture treatment in Vancouver. I think the assumption most people are holding onto is that the high- tech treatment involving high-tech gadgets is necessarily better than the simple alternatives. This assumption in my case, and I believe in many others, simply does not stand a chance. On Oct 3, 3:08 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > When my T was torturing me a few years ago, I went to see quite a few > specialists. These are not the 'peasant' herb doctors but are high- [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > This assumption in my case, and I believe in many others, simply does > not stand a chance. I agree. That's why in your case, a low tech commitment to a mental hospital is the preferred strategy -- to shut off your nonstop idiocy. On 10 8 , 12 05 , DeltaSwin...@hotmail.com wrote: > On Oct 3, 3:08 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > - - I agree that a piece of trash like you should be confined to where you belong, which is the lowest social echelon where your forefathers originated. > I agree that a piece of trash like you should be confined to where you > belong, which is the lowest social echelon where your forefathers > originated. I've been reading quite a few of your posts, troll. You seem to have hijacked this news group with your mixture of nonsense and insults. The "lower echelon" and "islander" crap is particularly funny. You obviously know nothing about medicine or tinnitus or (I am tempted to say) anything else. If someone disagrees with you (as that patient person jrw does, in the politest terms), you hurl insults. The advice you give people to rely on Ginko Biloba based not on any kind of experimental evidence, but on discredited limited studies and individual experiences, is pretty ridiculous. Don't you think that if Ginko was in fact an effective treatment for tinnitus, that doctors would be advising people to take it right and left? It isn't and they don't. For any given condition, you will find people who claim to be cured or improved using almost any kind of treatment you care to name, including faith-healing. Scientific protocols, like double-blind studies, are the way to determnine whether a treatment is truly effective. And the latest ones using large samples show that Gingko is not (for tinnitus). Now, please jump into Hong Kong harbor and gulp down some of that sewage-tainted water pronto. If that does not work, please take Ginko until your ears bleed. Don't worry, if brain damage is the result, you won't notice anything missing. DeltaSwin...@hotmail.com wrote: > If that does not work, please take Ginko > until your ears bleed. The way I look at it personally, aside from the RDA of regular vitamins and minerals - taking supplements is risky. I figure why take something that could be dangerous for me, in order to attempt alleviating something that's non dangerous. On Oct 3, 10:08 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > When my T was torturing me a few years ago, I went to see quite a few > specialists. These are not the 'peasant' herb doctors but are high- [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > This assumption in my case, and I believe in many others, simply does > not stand a chance. This is anecdotal evidence, and what ever you're trying to achieve here is difficult to ascertain, this is a sample of one. It proves nothing. You just might want to read this link... http://www.hartelaw.com/pettle/ This has details of a class action lawsuit against an acupuncturist. There are others if you think this sample is too small. I think this proves nothing. "I think the assumption most people are holding onto is that the high- tech treatment involving high-tech gadgets is necessarily better than the simple alternatives." I do not think anyone really has such prejudices in this group. In my experience, most who have tinnitus have tried acupuncture. I would say that when it comes to our shared ailment as far as I know, there is no 'high-tech treatment involving high-tech gadgets'. We only have the simple alternatives. Best regards John > On Oct 3, 10:08 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > This is anecdotal evidence, and what ever you're trying to achieve > here is difficult to ascertain, You talk too much. I asked you a question but did not make any claim. Thus either you agree or disagree. FP this is a sample of one. It proves > nothing. You just might want to read this link... > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > - - On Oct 3, 10:08 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > When my T was torturing me a few years ago, I went to see quite a few > specialists. These are not the 'peasant' herb doctors but are high- [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > This assumption in my case, and I believe in many others, simply does > not stand a chance. If we take the title of your post seriously then I think it is delinquent and dangerous advice. Tinnitus, however rare, can be the result of a brain tumour, and as mentioned by a previous poster it can be caused by a acoustic neuroma, which left unattended can cause brain damage. However well intentioned your motives might be, unless I am very much mistaken, you are not an MD, and I think you might want to refrain from this sort activity. My honest view is that this is a bad post title, because several visitors will have arrived here because they have just contracted the condition. You can do both, take GB and also have a brain scan. What is the contradiction in that? Best regards John > On Oct 3, 10:08 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > If we take the title of your post seriously then I think it is > delinquent and dangerous advice. The title of the post is a question but not a claim or an assertion. I think it is dangerous that you have not learned to read carefully before answering questions. Tinnitus, however rare, can be the > result of a brain tumour, and as mentioned by a previous poster it can > be caused by a acoustic neuroma, which left unattended can cause brain [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > - - On Oct 8, 1:49 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Oct 3, 10:08 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > > - - You may have asked a question in the title of your post, I'm afraid that your intentions are all too clear, you gave us what I might say is a decisive opinion in your introductory post. I find this sort of semantics rather silly. You have made your viewpoint in many previous posts before hand. You have something close to disdain for western medicine. Well you are entitled to your belief system, but I do think your views are as dangerous, and as arcane, as those of the Jehovah Witnesses. You do not possess a medical degree, nor do I, and I think its important to defer to someone who does. If a medical practitioner who visits the news group, could you be so kind to give us the best medical advise; Should we seek immediate medical attention from the appropriate consultants with the onset of tinnitus? Or should we just take GB for two weeks before bothering the medical profession. Thanking you in advice, and Best regards John After a standard ENT specialist check up (including a hearing test) it was determined that my tinnitus was not caused by anything serious such as a tumor, infection etc. In other words there was no ailment to cure, there was nothing wrong with me, the establishing of which was crucial. The doctor sent me home with the strong endorsement and encouragement to learn to live with it. That was my one and only visit to a doctor regarding my oh so LOUD (when I go out of my way to pay attention to it) tinnitus. |
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