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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / November 2007Ginko is ineffective against tinnitus
There have been a number of studies that have apparently shown some benefit to tinnitus patients of the herb Ginko Biloba. There is in fact a company marketing a preparation called Arches TInnitus Formula, containing Ginko as its primary active ingredient. However, the latest controlled, double-blind studies involving large numbers of patients, show that Ginko is completely ineffective as a treatment for tinnitus. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1114079.stm On 10 1 , 11 26 , BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote: > There have been a number of studies that have apparently shown some > benefit to tinnitus patients of the herb Ginko Biloba. There is in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1114079.stm Since you so subscribe to controlled studies, here is more: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=120515 70&dopt=AbstractPlus Go into Google and you will find more. On Oct 1, 7:41 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 10 1 , 11 26 , BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Go into Google and you will find more. There are quite a few -- but all suffer from methodological problems, such as small sample size (as the one you cite), or short duration. The more recent studies using samples consisting of close to 1,000 participants show no benefit whatsoever, and that is now the scientific consensus, even in Germany. Your knowledge of this matter is seriously out of date. On 10 2 , 9 43 , BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote: > On Oct 1, 7:41 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > There are quite a few -- but all suffer from methodological problems, How do you know? Have you done a study of *all* ? > such as small sample size (as the one you cite), or short duration. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > - - On Oct 1, 8:24 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 10 2 , 9 43 , BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > > - - Because the latest studies utilzing large samples (in one case, over 1,000 people) show NO BENEFIT of Ginko over placebo. Do you think you can grasp that? I doubt it. OK, time now for you to inveigh against "islanders" and the "lower social echelons". On 10 3 , 10 59 , BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote: > On Oct 1, 8:24 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Do you think you can grasp that? And the link I quoted to you uses a different method for ginko's absorption. Secondly, clinical experiences of using ginko are also 'scientific'. What is science after all? So how can you make a statement that the result from a controlled test has to supercede a clinical experience? > I doubt it. > > OK, time now for you to inveigh against "islanders" and the "lower > social echelons". The way you speak absolutely classifies you. YOU have been speaking on behalf of 'us' as if you are representing the majority, while you are here to express your own opinion and speaking on your own behalf only. Learn to speak like an American!!! - - > - - On Oct 3, 6:17 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 10 3 , 10 59 , BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote: > Learn to speak like an American!!! Learn to match wits with a five-year-old!!! Right now, you'd come out the loser. On Oct 1, 2:41 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 10 1 , 11 26 , BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Go into Google and you will find more. I think you should try to find data that is less than 5 years old in this rapidly changing area of medical research. Best regards John > On Oct 1, 2:41 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > - - No matter how old or new the data is, I am convinced of one thing: the result from a controlled test should not _necessarily_ be used to supercede clinical experiences. You mentioned you have tried GB and found some use of it. Then can I make a statement that what you have experienced from GB is 'psychological' because the controlled tests have shown GB to be ineffective for tinnitus? So how can you rationalize between what you have experienced of GB and your faith in the controlled tests. On Oct 3, 6:23 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Oct 1, 2:41 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > rationalize between what you have experienced of GB and your faith in > the controlled tests. Then you are convinced of a falsehood. I don't think you have the slightest concept of what a controlled study is. How do I explain people who claim to be helped by Ginko? Two ways. First, tinnitus often goes away on its own. Second, the well-known placebo effect. > There have been a number of studies that have apparently shown some > benefit to tinnitus patients of the herb Ginko Biloba. There is in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1114079.stm Ginkgo, been there & done that for 1.5 years of med. and large dose - no difference that's zero remarkable change. Noise damage too many hours for too many years in my case. Get a good nights sleep, which does help slightly. Jamffer |
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