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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / October 2007Conquering tinnitus
If you have tinnitus and the doctor has told you there is no cause, try this: 1. Don't read anything about tinnitus. Including the idiotic posts on this newsgroup. 2. Don't talk about it to anyone. 3. Live your life normally. Over time you will get so used to it, you won't know it is there. There is no other cure. On 9 27 , 9 57 , BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote: > If you have tinnitus and the doctor has told you there is no cause, > try this: > > 1. Don't read anything about tinnitus. Including the idiotic posts on > this newsgroup. ...including the one you are spilling out of your mouth? > 2. Don't talk about it to anyone. > 3. Live your life normally. > > Over time you will get so used to it, you won't know it is there. > There is no other cure. On Sep 26, 8:40 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 9 27 , 9 57 , BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > ...including the one you are spilling out of your mouth? No, just the idiotic ones, which would include all of yours. On 9 28 , 11 07 , BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote: > On Sep 26, 8:40 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > No, just the idiotic ones, which would include all of yours. It is idiotic by your standard but your standard is not an universal standard. For example, you are a piece of trash by my standard, but it does not mean all participants in this ng will call you trash. > - - > > - - On Sep 28, 12:19 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 9 28 , 11 07 , BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote:> On Sep 26, 8:40 pm, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > standard. For example, you are a piece of trash by my standard, but > it does not mean all participants in this ng will call you trash. Brilliant. Wow, what genius! My standard is not a universal standard. How true that is. Just as the knowledge that 2 + 2 = 4 is not universal. Nitwits don't grasp it. > > - - > > > - - On 9 29 , 11 00 , BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote: > On Sep 28, 12:19 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > the knowledge that 2 + 2 = 4 is not universal. Nitwits don't grasp > it. No, your standard hardly matches the numerical equivalence of your example. It is a trasy one. So don't congradulate upon your sucess so soon. > > > - - > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > - - On Sep 26, 8:57 pm, BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote: > If you have tinnitus and the doctor has told you there is no cause, > try this: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Over time you will get so used to it, you won't know it is there. > There is no other cure. How long does it take to get used to it ? Im going on 4 weeks and man its still a jet engine in there roaring 24/7. Just wondering how long before I get used to it. Thanks > On Sep 26, 8:57 pm, BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > before I get used to it. > Thanks It generally takes 6 months to get to the stage where you start to tune in out successfully. Up until then you can suffer real despair, but stick with it, you will be surprised how quickly things start to improve. I sincerely hope that you have seen a specialist, your condition, like mine seems to be chronic. You have my very best wishes and my Best regards John > > On Sep 26, 8:57 pm, BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > - Show quoted text - 6 months sounds like a long time for me at least. Guess there is no choice. I did see two specialists. They both told me I have "idiotpathic sudden sensorineural hearing loss". Left ear turned off like a light switch, for no reason, and at same time the jet engine started. They gave me steroids orally for 3 weeks, then they injected them directly into the ear. Nothng changed, but they said it might take awhile. Being half deaf is not too bad but the dam noise is tough to deal with, sleep, work, effects everythng. Its LOUD. I was dumb enough to figure they could fix it but I guess its wait and see now. I dont look forward to going to bed anymore. Once the head goes down on the pillow it becomes a real struggle. Thats the worst part of it. I asked the last specialist I saw if he could severe the hearing nerve to turn off the noise, he said that they were not sure if even cutting the auditory never would turn it off or not ! He said the noise may be generated by the brain side of the nerve. I was supirsed at the apparent lack of medical knowledege in this area. Thanks for your reply. > > > On Sep 26, 8:57 pm, BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Thanks for your reply. Hi I'm sorry to say that your condition sounds dreadful. This will come as no relief, but you have my sympathy. It is frustrating how little is known in this branch of medicine. With regards to the struggle of when your head hits pillow I can empathise. What I do is record podcasts normally of speech programs and then listen to them, the concentration required to focus on what is being said has the twin effect of putting the T in the background, and inducing sleep. I can't suggest a better program than "In our time" broadcast by the BBC with Melvyn Bragg. I hope this helps in some way, Best regards John > > > On Sep 26, 8:57 pm, BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > said the noise may be generated by the brain side of the nerve. I was > supirsed at the apparent lack of medical knowledege in this area. If I were you, I would not take the lax attitude of letting your tinnitus go unattended. Since the 'experts' where you are have not been of help, let me share with you my experience from the experts on this side of the globe. I was on BETAHISTINE for my sleep. It is a very good med and is totally non-active. This med makes your t softened and makes you go to sleep. Take this med AFTER dinner and don't drive after taking this med. This med can be bought OTC in Hong Kong and thus you can tell it is a relatively safe medicine. So take BETAHISTINE after dinner and take ginko biloba after breakfast. You can always drop either of this med as none of them is addictive. Give GB at least 2 weeks and see if it works for you. Talk to a pharmacist about the proper use of this med. What have you got to loose? You can continue to 'habituate' as much as you want. > Thanks for your reply.- - > > - - > 6 months sounds like a long time for me at least. Guess there is no > choice. I did see two specialists. They both told me I have [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > said the noise may be generated by the brain side of the nerve. I was > supirsed at the apparent lack of medical knowledege in this area. also, if you can end up with the auditory equivalent of a phantom limb. patients who have a leg cut off, for instance, can still feel pain and other sensations which appear to come from the severed limb. similarly you might still hear your tinnitus, even though the nerves have been cut, of a labroseptomy (?) has been performed. If it was reversable, Id like to try cutting the ear out. > Thanks for your reply. > > > On Sep 26, 8:57 pm, BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Thanks for your reply. C2D Almost everyone habituates to tinnitus, even loud tinnitus that you can hear over everything. How does it happen? Go to www.tinnitus.org for more information, but the essential process is that the brain starts filtering out any meaningless sound after a while. It's like moving into an apartment in the city after living in the country. After a time you no longer hear the traffic, but at first it really bothers you. How long it takes to get to this point varies since everyone is different. It can take longer than six months for some people. The key thing is to see a ear specialist just to make sure that there is nothing medically-treatable causing it. And then work on reducing your emotional response to the tinnitus. Seeking "treatments" such as those espoused by fyfpoon will only serve to keep your attention focused on it and will delay your adjustment. There is no treatment by habituation, but once you achieve that, you are free of the distress and anguish that is present now. And almost everyone gets there. Good luck to you. On 10 2 , 9 58 , BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sep 26, 8:57 pm, BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > serve to keep your attention focused on it and will delay your > adjustment. Fortunately someone took my advice and tried gingko, and have 75% of his tinnitus reduced. Again, your "everyone" is cyber reality which you have invented simply by way of throwing something out of your mouth. What makes you so dogmatic that people cannot seek treatment and habituate at the same time? Have you done a survey that this is what "everyone" does? There is no treatment by habituation, but once you > achieve that, you are free of the distress and anguish that is present > now. And almost everyone gets there. > > Good luck to you.- - > > - - fyfpoon wrote: > Fortunately someone took my advice and tried gingko, and have 75% of > his tinnitus reduced. So now they're dependant upon gingko? What happens if they start building up a tolerance, and have to keep increasing the dosage? I used to get the jet engine 24/7 too. Read my story at http://eebee.net/theory.html followed by http://eebee.net/dentist.html Tinnitus is still a pain in the neck. Elly -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Discovery consists of looking at the same thing as everyone else and thinking something different. Roger von Oech "Discovery consists of seeing what everybody else has seen and thinking what nobody else has thought." Jonathon Swift, the author of Gulliver's Travels http://eebee.net/ >How long does it take to get used to it ? Im going on 4 weeks and man >its still a jet engine in there roaring 24/7. Just wondering how long >before I get used to it. >Thanks  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > How long does it take to get used to it ? Im going on 4 weeks and man > its still a jet engine in there roaring 24/7. Just wondering how long > before I get used to it. > Thanks The standard timeframe is 12 to 18 months. But mind you this is a very gradual process. It's not like after x amount of time passes, you suddenly aren't bothered by it anymore. Or that you'll have to suffer through 12 to 18 months before you have results. The less you think about it, the "faster" it happens. Before you know it, it'll all be ancient history. I haven't bothered to even lurk here for well over a year. And as you can see, I'm only posting here now to offer support, not to seek it. I know it seems impossible, but you will indeed conquer tinnitus. And you'll understand what "that which does not kill us, makes us stronger" means. I have used the mind over matter power I gained through this experience to retrain my brain regarding eating habits and exercise, with tremendous success. Tinnitus made me stronger. BaldBastardBus...@hotmail.com wrote: > If you have tinnitus and the doctor has told you there is no cause, > try this: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Over time you will get so used to it, you won't know it is there. > There is no other cure. I agree with you, except that there is a certain philosophy regarding habituation which I found to be very helpful in accepting and applying the concept. Mainly the Jastreboff method on a do it yourself basis. I'd say, don't shell out a single penny for any form of treatment. No professional therapy, no drugs, no supplements, no special pillows etc, etc, etc. The more things you try, the more you defeat the purpose of getting over it, and getting on with life.
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