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MZB - 02 Jul 2007 17:56 GMT
Can tinnitus just come on suddenly, out of nowhere??

20  days ago it suddenly happened. I had flown the previous day. But other
than that, nothing unusual.

I do get a fair number of sinus infections but this time I have absolutely
ZERO other symptoms. This is an annoying malady but I'm quickly learning to
ignore it. I do have a doctor's appointment on 7/9.

My main fear would be the possibility of a tumor (especially with no other
symptoms and this coming on so suddenly).Is this a very RARE cause? (I hope
so, but I don't know).

I am a 61 year old male.

Ideas/suggestions??

Mel
Susan - 02 Jul 2007 18:12 GMT
> Can tinnitus just come on suddenly, out of nowhere??

Yes, absolutely.

> 20  days ago it suddenly happened. I had flown the previous day. But other
> than that, nothing unusual.
>
> I do get a fair number of sinus infections but this time I have absolutely
> ZERO other symptoms. This is an annoying malady but I'm quickly learning to
> ignore it. I do have a doctor's appointment on 7/9.

You may have fluid blockage in the eustachian tube, that can cause T noises.

> My main fear would be the possibility of a tumor (especially with no other
> symptoms and this coming on so suddenly).Is this a very RARE cause? (I hope
> so, but I don't know).

It's not very common, but tinnitus associated with hormonal changes is
common, including those changes caused by treatments that lower adrenal
and/or thyroid function or sex hormones.  Many women develop T during
perimenopause, too.

> I am a 61 year old male.
>
> Ideas/suggestions??

Check your history for any new drugs/treatments, illnesses, worsening of
 sinusitis, tick bites or other infectious diseases, any past or
present endocrine abnormalities.

When my adrenal function was low last summer, my T cranked up through
the roof, for instance.  Sex hormones are also steroids, so andropause
cannot be ruled out, IMO.

Susan
MZB - 02 Jul 2007 19:53 GMT
Follow-ip question:

I'll be seeing my doctor in a week. What is the likely result??

Assuming no obvious cause (medications, etc.). Would I be getting an MRI or
seeing an audiologist? Is there a standard protocol?

Mel
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Susan - 02 Jul 2007 21:05 GMT
> Follow-ip question:
>
> I'll be seeing my doctor in a week. What is the likely result??
>
> Assuming no obvious cause (medications, etc.). Would I be getting an MRI or
> seeing an audiologist? Is there a standard protocol?

Mel, I can't begin to predict what your doctor will say, but most of us
have found a blank stare and the words "you just have to get used to it."

For new onset tinnitus, that's not fair; one deserves an evaluation of
the things I mentioned in my OP at least.

Medications, hormones, infections, etc. should all be looked at.

I hope you are taken seriously by your doc.

Susan
MZB - 02 Jul 2007 23:17 GMT
Yep, I was wondering. Again, my big fear would be a tumor. But again from my
reading that seems to be such a rare cause that I'm not sure if they check
for it.

In my case, if the doctor is not concerned, then I'm not going to be. It has
NOT impacted my life.

As I said a sinus infection is MUCH more debilitating.

Mel
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don - 03 Jul 2007 01:45 GMT
> I'll be seeing my doctor in a week. What is the likely result??
>
> Assuming no obvious cause (medications, etc.). Would I be getting an MRI or
> seeing an audiologist? Is there a standard protocol?

My problem started suddenly last summer.  My regular physician said it
was due to high frequency hearing loss and nothing could be done about
it (with no tests).  I made an appointment myself with an ENT and was
given hearing tests that verified a loss of hearing in the higher
frequencies and a thorough examination of my ears and sinuses.

The ENT suggested the amount of aspirin I was taking might be causing my
problem or adding to it.  I tried not taking aspirin for over a month,
and my problem seemed to just get worse.  Since there were no other
problems aside from ringing in my ears, no other tests were recommended.
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 03 Jul 2007 04:22 GMT
> > I'll be seeing my doctor in a week. What is the likely result??
>
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> and my problem seemed to just get worse.  Since there were no other
> problems aside from ringing in my ears, no other tests were recommended.

Since you were taking a blood thinner anywhere, why not take gingko
biloba now since you are no longer having aspirin?  Gingko does
wonders for *some*, and you may be one of the lucky ones.
don - 04 Jul 2007 01:47 GMT
> Since you were taking a blood thinner anywhere, why not take gingko
> biloba now since you are no longer having aspirin?  Gingko does
> wonders for *some*, and you may be one of the lucky ones.

I am taking G.B., and I went back to taking aspirin.  The doctors said
if cutting out aspirin for 4 weeks didn't make a difference, it wasn't
part of the problem.  Besides, the regular physician wants all his
patients that can to take at least a small dose of aspirin every day to
help prevent strokes and heart attacks.
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 04 Jul 2007 02:52 GMT
> "fyfp...@gmail.com" wrote:
> > Since you were taking a blood thinner anywhere, why not take gingko
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> patients that can to take at least a small dose of aspirin every day to
> help prevent strokes and heart attacks.

Just make sure a combination of GB and aspirin is not too blood
thinning for you.

By the way, you might be suffering from a form of tinnitus that comes
with age.  Man have menopause too.  GB is good because it helps the
kidney.  If you were in China, I could bring you to visit a herbalist
in order that the herbs he prescribes to you can strengthen your
kidney.
The causes of T are very complex and they are in many cases
interrelated too.  Thus your T may have been caused by not just one
but several factors interrelated with each other.

I have been taking G.B. for the past 2 years and I see no reason to
stop.  My ENT doctor once told me that one of the most effective ways
to treat tinnitus is the long term application of medication.
Unfortunately, many people are looking for a quick fix.
Tony Harding - 09 Jul 2007 23:01 GMT
> Follow-ip question:
>
> I'll be seeing my doctor in a week. What is the likely result??

He/she will send you a bill.  :)

Seriously, docs can't diagnose things like this via the 'Net and not the
lay people (like me, for instance).
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 03 Jul 2007 04:38 GMT
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> and/or thyroid function or sex hormones.  Many women develop T during
> perimenopause, too.

This is similar to the explanation of a 'weakened' kidney theory by
the TCM doctors.  The whole idea of strengthening the kidney,
according to their explanation, is to produce more hormone and people
do that by taking herbs that contain hormone.

I once tried it.  When my T first started, I took packs of herbs and
was able to produce _complete_ silence for some days.  But the use of
this formula raised my blood pressure and that was why I had to stop
it.  This herb treatment would have been ideal for people with low
blood pressure.

All that scream and shout against the use of alternative medicines
sheerly come out of ignorance.

> > I am a 61 year old male.
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> Susan
jrw - 04 Jul 2007 08:32 GMT
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> Susan

Hi Susan,

The last time I visited the hospital, I had another ear test.  The
technician determined that I could not ventilate my 'ears' and
suggested that my eustachian tubes were blocked.  I have been trying
to unblock them now for a few weeks, but to no avail.  If they were
miraculously unblocked would the tinnitus disappear?  If any other
member has an answer I would be grateful.

Best regards

John
Elly Byrne - 02 Jul 2007 21:17 GMT
Can you get a trusted therapist to look at your body and the state of
your muscles?

Tension in the muscles is a very common, though not generally
accepted, cause of tinnitus. Especially as you have just been flying.
Was it an unusually long flight? Were you in an unusual position? Or
with age our bodies no longer accept what they could when we were
younger.

Have a read of http://eebee.net
Lots of interesting advice there.

Elly

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>Can tinnitus just come on suddenly, out of nowhere??
>
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>ZERO other symptoms. This is an annoying malady but I'm quickly learning to
>ignore it. I do have a doctor's appointment on 7/9.

>My main fear would be the possibility of a tumor (especially with no other
>symptoms and this coming on so suddenly).Is this a very RARE cause? (I hope
>so, but I don't know).

>I am a 61 year old male.
>
>Ideas/suggestions??
>
>Mel

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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 03 Jul 2007 04:21 GMT
> Can tinnitus just come on suddenly, out of nowhere??

It is commonly called 'nerve-typed' tinnitus by the ENT doctors in
China where no known cause is found.  The standard treatment for this
type of tinnitus is intravenous injection of blood vessel dilating
medicine.  As a matter of fact, the ENT doctors here recommend
patients to go into this treatment as soon as tinnitus is discovered---
preferrably within 2 weeks after it is discovered.  This infusion
practice is commonly used in Europe and China but does not seem that
popular in the world of the Anglo-American medical establishment.

At this moment you are bombarded by suggestions or suggested
solutions, and it is inevitable that you may get confused by having
too many of them.

My advice is try out any of them as long as the consequences are
acceptable to you, either financially or physically.

My advice to you is to put on one tablet of gingko biloba daily.  The
purpose for this is to keep your tinnitus fresh, and hopefully treat
it--it does for some patients.  You should talk to an experienced
pharmacist before taking it.

> 20  days ago it suddenly happened. I had flown the previous day. But other
> than that, nothing unusual.
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> Mel
P T - 16 Jul 2007 18:37 GMT
(moo) [MZB] {Mel} wrote

>Can tinnitus just come on suddenly,
>out of nowhere??
>20 days ago it suddenly happened.
>I had flown the previous day.
>But other than that, nothing unusual.

I'm shocked that in two weeks no one has jumped on this.  What does
"flown" mean? This could be anything from an sitting in an open cockpit
biplane to a 14 hour intercontinental flight.  Airplanes can be LOUD.  I
think sitting in the loudest seat on a modern airplane for hour after
hour might push a fragile individual over the edge, into tinnitus.  Walk
around a plane ... you will see people with noise cancelling headphones.
After a while, you don't notice the sound on an airplane, but it's
there.

>...I am a 61 year old male.

You may have 61 years of exposure to damaging levels of sound, and
finally your ears have gone past a threshold into permanent tinnitus.
Think hard: have you NEVER had tinnitus before?  Maybe after a rock
concert, or a night at a loud bar, or a noisy sporting event, or using a
screaming drill or vacuum, or a baby screamed in your ear, or a gun or a
firecracker went off near you, or went to a movie that was too loud?
I'll bet you had it before, but it went away after a few hours.
Maybe this time it won't.

>...I'm quickly learning to ignore it.  

That's easy with mild tinnitus.  If your tinnitus is trauma related, and
you don't start obsessively avoiding loud sounds, it may get harder and
harder to ignore.  

Welcome to the club.

.

(I'm not saying all of this applies to you, and I'm not saying any of
the other comments were wrong, but I challenge any reader here to tell
me I'm wrong on anything I said.)
Nelson Wallace - 05 Aug 2007 01:36 GMT
Mel -

Sounds just like my situation, 3 years ago.  Steady mid or high tone.
Worsened when I thrust my jaw forward.  Still does.

Transitioned to different symptoms: tone stopped, had pressure sensation in
ears instead.  Sometimes brief pain.  Yawning or holding nostrils shut &
blowing cheeks full would "pop" my ears, relieve pressure.

Joined T newsgroup.  Helpful people there.  Found it best not to dwell there
too long, could get depressing.

Got rid of trendy new aerospace foam pillow, got really soft, minimum fill
pillow, seemed to help.

2 months after it began, went to a local ENT guy. His advice: live with it.

Gave up caffeine, chocolate, beer. No significant change.  Started back on
chocolate and limited beer.  No significant change.

4 months after it started, I went to the House Clinic in LA.  They tested
me, said there was nothing they could do, suggested I take niacin regularly,
doses large enough to flush (red skin).  Didn't help.  Gave up after two
weeks or so.

Noticed that neck stiffness had accompanied onset of  T.  Did neck muscle
stretching exercises, extended side-to-side rotation angles, maybe helped.

Put ThermaCare self-heating pads high on the back on my neck at bedtime.
Found T gone in the morning 2 tries out of four.  Always came back.

Tried vitamins, magnesium, manganese, etc., some pills advertised on
Jeopardy that promised to help, no success.

Saw an ad about lasers & T.  Passed it on to some biomed types in the
sci.optics newsgroup; impossible, they agreed.  Rip-offs abound.

Bought some noise cancellation headphones from Bose, the biggest kind.
Always wear them in the air now.  (Barn door firmly shut, horse still gone.)

Walked in the evening, found that helped.  T is a perceptive thing, so the
same nerve-to-brain signal may seem better or worse just due to mood.

Always carry foam earplugs, have spares everywhere.  When a loud motorcycle
appears out of nowhere, I have no qualms about sticking my fingers in my
ears.  Tricky to do with grocery bag and coffee cup in hands.

In summary, nobody seems to have a handle on this, which is strange, given
how widespread the problem is.  Seems like many of the folks I know have T
too.  You'd think the pharma companies would go after this HUGE market.  And
growing, judging from the really loud music I hear coming out of vehicles
with their windows up.

For me, the best course was (and is) to try things and, at the same time,
work on being reconciled to living with it.  Quitting caffeine, taking
vitamins, walking, and doing neck exercises didn't hurt.  Good luck.

> Can tinnitus just come on suddenly, out of nowhere??
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>
> Mel
Murray Grossan - 05 Aug 2007 18:35 GMT
On 8/4/07 5:36 PM, in article CISdneOa3NEPhijbnZ2dnUVZ_qKgnZ2d@adelphia.com,

> Mel -
>
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>>
> what seems to be helping you is taking charge of your T
If "neck" helped, shower to back of neck and rotating slowly fully for 4-5
minutes can be successful.
Ask your audiologist to download a copy of my article on Tinnnitus in
Advance for Audiologists in current edition. More suggestions that often
work, plus supplements I recommend.
Janice - 07 Aug 2007 04:00 GMT
Your Chiropractor will tell you not to perform complete neck
rotations. There are special stretching exercises for your neck that
do **NOT*** grind the nerves and cause further damage.

> If "neck" helped, shower to back of neck and rotating slowly fully
> for 4-5
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> often
> work, plus supplements I recommend.
Murray Grossan - 07 Aug 2007 06:06 GMT
On 8/6/07 8:00 PM, in article Z7adncrwG9SsfSrbnZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@golden.net,

> Your Chiropractor will tell you not to perform complete neck
> rotations. There are special stretching exercises for your neck that
> do **NOT*** grind the nerves and cause further damage.

That's interesting. I wonder why it works for my patients?

By complete rotation do you mean 360 degrees like in the movies?

>> If "neck" helped, shower to back of neck and rotating slowly fully
>> for 4-5
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> often
>> work, plus supplements I recommend.
Janice - 07 Aug 2007 23:08 GMT
LOL. The devil made me do it.

No. Complete rotation with axis of the head. Apparenlt the back 90-120
degrees is not a good place to rotate through. Many physiotherapists
have  also told me this. I believe it may be related to facet (sp?)
joints. Stretching in different positions is OK as it does not create
the friction on the nerves.

This stretching action may work for your patients tinnitus but that
doesn't make it good for their digestion, bowel control or spinal
health. Poor argument.

> On 8/6/07 8:00 PM, in article
> Z7adncrwG9SsfSrbnZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@golden.net,
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>>> often
>>> work, plus supplements I recommend.

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