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bigvince - 21 Apr 2007 05:23 GMT
Many drugs can cause tinnitus . Mine started shortly after I began
taking atenolol for hypertension. I've since learned that this drug
can cause it as a side effect . Has anyone else had that experience.
Or can anyone recall if thier tinnitus started shortly after beginning
a course of drugs . Thanks. Vince
BobF - 21 Apr 2007 06:06 GMT
> Many drugs can cause tinnitus . Mine started shortly after I began
>taking atenolol for hypertension. I've since learned that this drug
>can cause it as a side effect . Has anyone else had that experience.
>Or can anyone recall if thier tinnitus started shortly after beginning
>a course of drugs . Thanks. Vince

Yes. As a matter of fact, my tinnitus started shortly after I was
prescribed the same drug, but I didn't associate it with the tinnitus
because:

1. I didn't know what tinnitus was until I had a hearing examination
to find out what was wrong and that test was at least six months after
I started taking the drug.

2. After having perfectly normal blood pressure up till then, I'd only
developed hypertension after I was concussed and lost consciousness
for a couple of minutes when I had an accident at work.

Since I literally forgot about the accident at work, I didn't connect
any of the strange health problems I was experiencing with the
concussion. A few months later, when my wife and I were discussing the
problems with our GP, she asked me if I had suffered any head injuries
in the past few months and I suddenly remembered. But at that point I
wasn't suffering from tinnitus.

I can't remember the brand of atenolol I started out on, but after a
couple of years I developed a nagging night-time cough that drove my
wife and me crazy and discovered that this was one of the side-effects
of the "delivery agent" in the brand I was taking.

Over the next few years I had to change the brand/delivery agent three
more times ... until I was introduced to a herbalist/healer who gave
me a course of herbals combined with diet changes that got my BP back
to normal without the use of atenolol (and all the other drugs I was
taking to deal with various side-effects). It was recommended that I
didn't stop the atenolol all at once, but cut down gradually. So
that's what I did.

So yes ... my tinnitus started not long after I began taking atenolol
and gradually became worse over the years. The only thing that makes
me pretty positive that it was the atenolol and not the concussion
that cause it is because I didn't start taking the atenolol until
several months after the injury.

I still have tinnitus, but it has improve a bit and hasn't gotten any
worse since I started the herbal/diet treatment (which involved
cutting out caffeine, which I still don't touch) and stopped taking
atenolol and other allopathic drugs.

Hope that helps. b
bigvince - 22 Apr 2007 15:11 GMT
> > Many drugs can cause tinnitus . Mine started shortly after I began
> >taking atenolol for hypertension. I've since learned that this drug
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>
> Hope that helps. b

Thanks vince I' about !00%sure it caused mine.
tom - 22 Apr 2007 20:46 GMT
Not a Doctor here, but I've always assumed mine is as a result of too many
years of playing Rock&Roll, being a carpenter in constant contact with saws
and pneumatic nailers or too much hunting and skeet shooting, or probably
all of the above.  All of which I've done at one time or another with no or
inadequate hearing protection. I haven't experienced total silence for over
30 years. I use hearing protection now, but the horse is already out of the
barn.                Tom
Elly Byrne - 22 Apr 2007 21:28 GMT
This was one post IN FAVOR OF top posting.
It has 3 lines of test to scroll through, and then one line of reply
which adds nothing useful.

>> > Many drugs can cause tinnitus . Mine started shortly after I began
>> >taking atenolol for hypertension. I've since learned that this drug
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>
>Thanks vince I' about !00%sure it caused mine.

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BobF - 23 Apr 2007 00:04 GMT
>This was one post IN FAVOR OF top posting.
>It has 3 lines of test to scroll through, and then one line of reply
>which adds nothing useful.

Actually, it's a post that would have benefited from snipping.

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A: Dunno, maybe it's because they're stupid.

Q: Why do some people top-post?

A: Because they are REALLY STUPID!

Q: Why do some people cross-post?

Janice - 20 Apr 2007 01:41 GMT
I notice you had to number all the texts to make your ridiculous
point.

Want to see a real example of bottom posting?

Who posted the "Very important statement saying you're an a.shole"?

Now take your stupid grade two example and shove it where the sun
doesn't shine. You have been tooting this in almost every group on
Usenet. You are only here to troll.

Bob's header
> John's header
>> Pete's header
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>> John's text
> Bob's text
BobF - 23 Apr 2007 01:32 GMT
>I notice you had to number all the texts to make your ridiculous
>point.
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>doesn't shine. You have been tooting this in almost every group on
>Usenet. You are only here to troll.

What the f.ck are you going on about? And who is obsessed with reading
headers besides you?  Name one other newsgroup I post in ...

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A: Dunno, maybe it's because they're stupid.

Q: Why do some people top-post?

A: Because they are REALLY STUPID!

Q: Why do some people cross-post?

Janice - 20 Apr 2007 01:50 GMT
Since you have just admitted you have no validation for your bottom
posting obsession, why don't you stop ranting about posting formats
and let the group return to tinnitus?

>>I notice you had to number all the texts to make your ridiculous
>>point.
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> reading
> headers besides you?  Name one other newsgroup I post in ...
BobF - 23 Apr 2007 04:58 GMT
>>>I notice you had to number all the texts to make your ridiculous
>>>point.
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>posting obsession, why don't you stop ranting about posting formats
>and let the group return to tinnitus?

In other words, you cannot back up your ridiculous accusations. Why am
I not surprised?

Now that that's settled, let's get back to the primary topic of the
group by all means.

But before I leave this, one last comment. I post in a few other
groups (using a different persona/handle/name) and lurk in a few
others. This is the only group where one of the major contributors
top-posts. Maybe three or four regulars do top-post in the other
groups (out of hundreds who don't), plus a few newbies, but they're
basically ignored or subjected to the same kind of criticism you've
received from me and others.

As I've said before, your contributions to the ng are valuable and
worth going through the trouble of reading. What a shame you're not
honest enough to admit that top-posting is not and never will be
considered good Usenet etiquette and stoop to the level of making
false accusations about someone who criticises you for it.

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A: Dunno, maybe it's because they're stupid.

Q: Why do some people top-post?

A: Because they are REALLY STUPID!

Q: Why do some people cross-post?

Janice - 20 Apr 2007 04:23 GMT
Don't be stupid.

>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:41:45 -0500, "Janice"
>>> <Janice@hurtmail..com>
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> considered good Usenet etiquette and stoop to the level of making
> false accusations about someone who criticises you for it.
BobF - 24 Apr 2007 06:25 GMT
>Don't be stupid.

You have accused me:

1. Of being a "troll."

2. Of using "many, many different names."

3. Of posting "over 2-300 post per day."

4. Of "continually" trying to "get attention."

5. Of ruining "many, many groups with one bit of nonsense or another."

6. Of "tooting this (bottom-posting vs top-posting) in almost every
group on Usenet."

You've also stated that "The top posting troll is a classic and is
well known by experienced Usenet posters." - something that is
patently untrue, especially since experienced Usenet posters normally
bottom-post and criticise top-posting as I have.

In addition, you've asked me, "Who posted the "Very important
statement saying you're an a.shole"? Which makes no sense whatsoever.

On the other hand, I've asked you to back up ANY of your accusations
or statements, and.you have failed to do so.

I've even asked you to name just one of the other groups to which I'm
supposed to be posting ... and you've failed to do that either.

You are clearly dishonest, deceitful and malicious. And you call ME
stupid?

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A: Dunno, maybe it's because they're stupid.

Q: Why do some people top-post?

A: Because they are REALLY STUPID!

Q: Why do some people cross-post?

larry_lix - 23 Apr 2007 01:51 GMT
>>I notice you had to number all the texts to make your ridiculous
>>point.
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> What the f.ck are you going on about? And who is obsessed with reading
> headers besides you?  Name one other newsgroup I post in ...

Janice is a guy with a French name.  I've got it on disk somewhere.  Posting
as "Larry Lix" on this group he threatened to murder one of the posters
here.  Canadian authorities took exception to that and prosecuted him for a
felony of threatening to murder.  He was told to stay away from this group.
I wonder if the Crown knows he's back here causing trouble again?  He lives
in Kitchener, Ontario, the center of Nazi thought in North America.

Don't waste your time talking to him, or the idiot Poon.  Both are trolls
with long and miserable, hatefull, obnoxious behavior on Usenet.  :-)

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/i/irving.david/ftp.py?people/i/irving.david
//canada/toronto-sun.1092

The New Guy - 23 Apr 2007 17:58 GMT
> I notice you had to number all the texts to make your ridiculous
> point.
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> >> John's text
> > Bob's text

I've always found WHO says what is unimportant.  WHAT is said is
important.  Headers and he said/she said should be removed.  Focus on
the message, not the messenger.
Janice - 20 Apr 2007 04:23 GMT
I rest that case. Set and match.

>> I notice you had to number all the texts to make your ridiculous
>> point.
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> on
> the message, not the messenger.
Janice - 20 Apr 2007 01:49 GMT
Stop trolling this group please.

> On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:28:40 +1000, Elly Byrne
> <elly@eebee.net.noway>
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>
> Actually, it's a post that would have benefited from snipping.

Please see attached history before you read what I have to say. Why
would you?

> Q: Why do some people cross-post?
The New Guy - 23 Apr 2007 17:56 GMT
> >> > Many drugs can cause tinnitus . Mine started shortly after I began
> >> >taking atenolol for hypertension. I've since learned that this drug
> >> >can cause it as a side effect . Has anyone else had that experience.
> >> >Or can anyone recall if thier tinnitus started shortly after beginning
> >> >a course of drugs . Thanks. Vince

> >> Yes. As a matter of fact, my tinnitus started shortly after I was
> >> prescribed the same drug, but I didn't associate it with the tinnitus
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> >> cutting out caffeine, which I still don't touch) and stopped taking
> >> atenolol and other allopathic drugs.

> This was one post IN FAVOR OF top posting.
> It has 3 lines of test to scroll through, and then one line of reply
> which adds nothing useful.

Top posting corrected.
Thats because you're using either a crappy newsreader or don't know
how to use it.  When it defaults to bottom posting, one click on your
spacebar brings you to the bottom of this post.  Then you type.  What
could be easier?  And it wouldn't be so long if people would take out
inapplicable content.  

For most people, as soon as they try it they quickly see the myriad
advantages.  I used to top post, then was converted.  You too can see
the light!  :)
Janice - 20 Apr 2007 04:24 GMT
I have also noticed you cannot read what is posted. I wonder if this
is bottom posting related also.

>> >> > Many drugs can cause tinnitus . Mine started shortly after I
>> >> > began
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> see
> the light!  :)
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 23 Apr 2007 16:55 GMT
> > Many drugs can cause tinnitus . Mine started shortly after I began
> >taking atenolol for hypertension. I've since learned that this drug
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> cutting out caffeine, which I still don't touch) and stopped taking
> atenolol and other allopathic drugs.

Is your blood pressure heriditary?  I wish I need not take drug all
the time and where I am living there are all sorts of advertisement
saying that high blood pressure can be cured using herbal methods.  I
doubt it but i would like to hear a real story from you.

> Hope that helps. b
BobF - 23 Apr 2007 22:40 GMT
<snip>

>> So yes ... my tinnitus started not long after I began taking atenolol
>> and gradually became worse over the years. The only thing that makes
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>saying that high blood pressure can be cured using herbal methods.  I
>doubt it but i would like to hear a real story from you.

I don't know about the OP, but mine isn't. In fact, my BP was great
until I did something foolish at the office, whacked the top of my
head on a door jam and knocked myself out. A damn shame that of all
the memories I lost, I get to remember just how silly I was.

You can read about the herbalist I go to at:
http://www.bushlore.co.nz. The first of several courses of treatment I
followed involved a custom blend of herbals and changes to my diet. As
I began to feel better, I started exercising more and the dietary
changes became part of my lifestyle. I would think that all those
things combined to lower my BP. But it was the herbals that started
the ball rolling.
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 24 Apr 2007 00:50 GMT
> On 23 Apr 2007 08:55:44 -0700, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com>
> sez:
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> things combined to lower my BP. But it was the herbals that started
> the ball rolling.

Well, i think your hbp is NOT hereditary.
BobF - 24 Apr 2007 05:44 GMT
>> On 23 Apr 2007 08:55:44 -0700, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com>
>> sez:

<snip>

>> I don't know about the OP, but mine isn't. In fact, my BP was great
>> until I did something foolish at the office,

<snip>

>Well, i think your hbp is NOT hereditary.

Let me put it another way. I don't know whether or not the original
poster's hypertension is hereditary, but my hypertension was not
hereditary.
The New Guy - 21 Apr 2007 15:40 GMT
> Many drugs can cause tinnitus . Mine started shortly after I began
> taking atenolol for hypertension. I've since learned that this drug
> can cause it as a side effect . Has anyone else had that experience.
> Or can anyone recall if thier tinnitus started shortly after beginning
> a course of drugs . Thanks. Vince

I haven't taken any medication for 2 decades.  Definitely no
connection here.  But maybe your hypertension affected your neck/upper
spine mobility.  Always look to the neck.
Murray Grossan - 21 Apr 2007 23:20 GMT
On 4/20/07 9:23 PM, in article
1177129429.978298.289040@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "bigvince"
<Vince.Miraglia@gmail.com> wrote:

>  Many drugs can cause tinnitus . Mine started shortly after I began
> taking atenolol for hypertension. I've since learned that this drug
> can cause it as a side effect . Has anyone else had that experience.
> Or can anyone recall if thier tinnitus started shortly after beginning
> a course of drugs . Thanks. Vince

I started taking Atenalol and my dog died, my car got stolen and my stocks
went down.
Be careful on assuming it is the medication. Remember the lawyers list the
same 101 side effects for all the PDR drugs.
bigvince - 22 Apr 2007 15:11 GMT
> On 4/20/07 9:23 PM, in article
> 1177129429.978298.289...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "bigvince"
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Be careful on assuming it is the medication. Remember the lawyers list the
> same 101 side effects for all the PDR drugs.

That tinnitis is a recognised side effect in the Physicians desk
reference does not impress yoy . Lawers did not write the PDR.
Actually if anyone developed tinnitis after taking atenolol I'd like
to know. I've had several people say this drug trigger tinnitus and
Want to see how common it is. Murray seems to think no one is ever
damanged by presciption drugs I wonder why.
Murray Grossan - 23 Apr 2007 04:55 GMT
On 4/22/07 7:11 AM, in article
1177251080.461251.291720@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "bigvince"
<Vince.Miraglia@gmail.com> wrote:

>  Murray seems to think no one is ever
> damanged by presciption drugs I wonder why.
On the contrary side effects are very important but it is very easy to miss
real pathology when you assume the illness is just a side effect of the
drug. Worse, if we knew which were the "real" side effects vs the 101 that
are listed we could do a better job. The only way I find out about true side
effects is talking to my peers.
bigvince - 23 Apr 2007 05:48 GMT
> On 4/22/07 7:11 AM, in article
> 1177251080.461251.291...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "bigvince"
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> are listed we could do a better job. The only way I find out about true side
> effects is talking to my peers.

I agree that it is very important to rule out other causes and not
assume that a condition is a side effect .You said peers are you a
Physician. It might be better to lisen to patients. An unfortunate
side effect of atenolol can be tinnitis. Id like to hear from anyone
else who had thier tinnitis start after beginning a course of atenolol
aka ternormin a beta blocker..thanks Vince
Susan - 23 Apr 2007 14:51 GMT
The only way I find out about true side
> effects is talking to my peers.

Then you're probably missing most of them.

The only way I find out about true side effects is by communicating with
other patients.

Susan
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 23 Apr 2007 16:52 GMT
>  Many drugs can cause tinnitus . Mine started shortly after I began
> taking atenolol for hypertension. I've since learned that this drug
> can cause it as a side effect . Has anyone else had that experience.
> Or can anyone recall if thier tinnitus started shortly after beginning
> a course of drugs . Thanks. Vince

Yes, hydrochloridethiazer, a direutics.
Dave C. - 26 Apr 2007 15:32 GMT
> Many drugs can cause tinnitus . Mine started shortly after I began
> taking atenolol for hypertension. I've since learned that this drug
> can cause it as a side effect . Has anyone else had that experience.
> Or can anyone recall if thier tinnitus started shortly after beginning
> a course of drugs . Thanks. Vince

Yes, Vince, I can attest to the connection between tinnitus and atenolol
(generic brand). Just recently I reduced my dose from 50mg to 25mg and has
resulted in cutting the tinnitus down to about 30-20% of what it was.  Now,
I hardly notice it.  I take it in the evening at bedtime.

I made the connection some weeks ago with my GP.  I was taking atenolol for
skipped heart beats (actually called premature beats) for a year or so..
Atenolol solved it but it seems that 25mg dose does the job well.  I did not
make the connection between atenolol and tinnitus at that time.

I am not using atenolol for blood pressure control.  I take a couple of
other meds (nifedipine and valsartan) for that in the morning upon rising.

Dave C.
Dave C. - 28 Apr 2007 02:30 GMT
>> Many drugs can cause tinnitus . Mine started shortly after I began
>> taking atenolol for hypertension. I've since learned that this drug
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>
> Dave C.
I think I spoke too soon.  Tinnitus has returned but only at a not-to-high
level.  Go figure.  I has some hope there was a solution there with the
atenolol.

Dave C.
bigvince - 02 May 2007 03:09 GMT
> >> Many drugs can cause tinnitus . Mine started shortly after I began
> >> taking atenolol for hypertension. I've since learned that this drug
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>
> - Show quoted text -

I hope it works out for .Maybe there something else you could use I
know atenolo caused mine. Good luck .Vince

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