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Acupuncture and nerve tinnitus

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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 01 Apr 2007 16:31 GMT
In the year of 2004, I was diagnosed with 'nerve tinnitus' by my ENT
doctorS.  Up to this moment I am still not quite sure what it exactly
mean by 'nerve tinnitus'.  All I could guess is when the T all of a
sudden comes out of the blue and the cause is nowhere to be found, the
T is called 'nerve tinnitus'.

Against the background of my nerve tinnitus, various 'modern'
treatments were used, which included locking me up in a hyperbaric
oxygen chamber for 2 hours a day for many days.  Frankly, I resent
that experience.  But then again, some patients in the oxygen chamber
reported improvement.  One guy who was going through a combination of
intravenous infusion and oxygen chamber even reported a cure in a
week.

I was finally released of my suffering by a couple of acupuncture
treatment in Vancouver.  My ENT doctorS or doctors practising Western
or 'conventional' medicine in China, Hong Kong and Vancouver all
expressed disbeliefs.  After all, having studied abroad (in the west)
and regimented by the conventional medical establishment, it is
difficult for them to accept that other schools of training or medical
philosophy can do a better job for some types of T patients than the
conventional one, and it is their professional duty as noble warriors,
the purest of knights, to defend the last bastion of the conventional
medical school against the onslaught of millions of disgruntled T
patients all over the world.

I used to think of my 'cure' as being lucky, until I ran into the
following:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/p00r28551745x271/

He Qing-young 1 and Zhang Ji 1

(1)  School of Acupuncture and Moxibustion, Beijing University of
Traditional Chinese Medicine, Beijing, 100029, P.R. China

Received: 10 May 2006

Summary  Thirty-three cases of nerve tinnitus were treated mainly by
needling acupoints Baihui(GV 20), Tinggong(SI 19), Tinghui(GB 2),
Yifeng(TE 17) and Zhongzhu(TE 3). In the presence of kidney
deficiency, Shenshu(BL 23) and Mingmen(GV 4) were added; in the
presence of liver-gallbladder fire preponderance, Taichong(LR 3) and
Qiuxu(GB 40) were added; in the presence of exogenous wind heat,
Waiguan(TE 5) and Hegu(LI 4) were added. After 6-course treatments, 6
cases were cured, 22 cases improved and 2 cases failed, with the total
effective rate of 93.9%.
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If I were a T patient who has tried everything including habituation
and had not found an end to my suffering, I would download this page
and go up to the department in this university
Murray Grossan - 01 Apr 2007 23:32 GMT
On 4/1/07 8:31 AM, in article
1175441493.404534.178950@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com, "fyfpoon@gmail.com"

> In the year of 2004, I was diagnosed with 'nerve tinnitus' by my ENT
> doctorS.  Up to this moment I am still not quite sure what it exactly
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
> and had not found an end to my suffering, I would download this page
> and go up to the department in this university

Reminds me of all the articles that claimed acupuncture cured deafness.
Unfortunately no one bothered to do an audiogram.
"after the acupuncture the deaf children could sing praises to Chairman Mao.
" from the Red Book. But did they get an audiogram??? NO.
Jim Chinnis - 02 Apr 2007 01:58 GMT
Murray Grossan <hydromed@adelphia.net> wrote in part:

>Reminds me of all the articles that claimed acupuncture cured deafness.
>Unfortunately no one bothered to do an audiogram.

Makes sense to me...
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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 02 Apr 2007 06:55 GMT
> On 4/1/07 8:31 AM, in article
> 1175441493.404534.178...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com, "fyfp...@gmail.com"
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> Reminds me of all the articles that claimed acupuncture cured deafness.
> Unfortunately no one bothered to do an audiogram.

Are you suggesting that the TCM department at Beijing University made
a false claim on the reaction from the tinnitus patients?  So do you
have evidence that suggests they made a false claim. Then how about
the 'double blind' study done on acupuncture/tinnitus in Portugal?
This study was published in AIA monthly magazine.  Are you saying the
AIA(American Tinnitus Association) also published a false claim?  Or
has this organization been bribed to make false claims?

> "after the acupuncture the deaf children could sing praises to Chairman Mao.
> " from the Red Book. But did they get an audiogram??? NO

Which Red Book?  Can you cite reference?  Mao died many years ago,
together with his propaganda machine.

Are you using a piece of old propaganda as _empirical evidence_ to
suggest that the particular experiment cited on acupuncture/tinnitus
relation was faked?  This approach does not suffice to get anyone
through graduate school.  You know that.

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Murray Grossan - 03 Apr 2007 01:47 GMT
On 4/1/07 10:55 PM, in article
1175493342.003868.262730@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "fyfpoon@gmail.com"

> Are you suggesting that the TCM department at Beijing University made
> a false claim on the reaction from the tinnitus patients?  So do you
> have evidence that suggests they made a false claim.
Where does it say anything about tinnitus in my statement? Which line?

Try to get hold of current issue of Advance for Audiologist, excellent
article on Tinnitus.

You may recall there were headlines about curing deafness out of china and
many persons went that route here, based on those headlines. But when you
looked at the actual claims, there were no audiograms done. And when we
tested patients here we found no improvement in the hearing.
I did review some articles submitted for publication. They happily reported
deafness  cures, but there were no hearing tests.

I haven't seen the tinnitus articles but I wonder haw the T was measured.
 
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