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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / March 2007Jaw Effect ? ...
Mine is perhaps a bit worse on my left side and, on that side only, if I move my jaw as far forward as possible, there is tremendous loudenning while my jaw is positioned near fully forward. Anyone else relate to this peculiarity, or other comments? > Mine is perhaps a bit worse on my left side and, on that side only, if > I move my jaw as far forward as possible, there is tremendous > loudenning while my jaw is positioned near fully forward. Anyone else > relate to this peculiarity, or other comments? Do you grind your teeth? (Bruxism) Does your Dentist say you have stronger jaw muscles than normal? Headaches? Neck stiffness? Does your neck stay in a similar position for long periods of the day? Negative on all those. BTW - I've always used white noise for sleeping so my Tinnitus isn't a serious issue for me. >> Mine is perhaps a bit worse on my left side and, on that side only, if >> I move my jaw as far forward as possible, there is tremendous [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >stronger jaw muscles than normal? Headaches? Neck stiffness? Does >your neck stay in a similar position for long periods of the day? > >> Mine is perhaps a bit worse on my left side and, on that side only, if > >> I move my jaw as far forward as possible, there is tremendous [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >stronger jaw muscles than normal? Headaches? Neck stiffness? Does > >your neck stay in a similar position for long periods of the day? > Negative on all those. > BTW - I've always used white noise for sleeping so my Tinnitus isn't a > serious issue for me. I would think its good to rest the hearing and subjecting it to white noise (noise on many frequencies), is not only completely unnatural and would never occur in nature, but it might burden the hearing, not allowing it to rest during sleep. Just a thought. Please post BELOW the previous post and remove all headers. Its so much cleaner to read for everyone. You'll also get a better response to your posts so everybody wins. A: Because its easier to read. Q: Why do people bottom post? The New Guy <replytogroup@here.thanks> wrote in part: >> BTW - I've always used white noise for sleeping so my Tinnitus isn't a >> serious issue for me. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >and would never occur in nature, but it might burden the hearing, not >allowing it to rest during sleep. Just a thought. A lot of research shows hearing benefits from sound exposure. And broad-spectrum sound is pretty common in nature: wind; rain; waterfalls; the surf; crickets, tree-frogs, and birds whooping it up, etc. Where I live it is pretty hard to find real quiet except indoors. >Please post BELOW the previous post and remove all headers. Its so >much cleaner to read for everyone. You'll also get a better response >to your posts so everybody wins. > >A: Because its easier to read. >Q: Why do people bottom post? Amen.  SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > >> BTW - I've always used white noise for sleeping so my Tinnitus isn't a > >> serious issue for me. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the surf; crickets, tree-frogs, and birds whooping it up, etc. Where I live > it is pretty hard to find real quiet except indoors. But white noise is a constant noise at most or all frequencies. You'd never come across anything like that in nature. I wonder how loud is the white noise that people use usually? Anything that we are exposed to for an extended period of time is dangerous. I just hope you've taken some care with this. The New Guy <replytogroup@here.thanks> wrote in part: >Anything that we are exposed >to for an extended period of time is dangerous Not according to the research. Do you have data you can cite? Your statements run counter to all I have learned. SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > >Anything that we are exposed > >to for an extended period of time is dangerous > > Not according to the research. Do you have data you can cite? Your > statements run counter to all I have learned. I was referring to hearing damage brought on by long periods of exposure to even moderate level noise. It was all over the news a few months back. It was to encourage people, if exposed to noise at work to use every available tool to lessen their exposure. I would think the same premise would pertain here. Of course it often takes decades for hearing damage to occur. In all areas of health, it pays to watch nature. If its not natural, chances are its not good for you. That may seem like a naive statement, but it pans out in most all instances. Modern man has migrated so far away from a natural state that initially some things, once deemed natural, not seem odd. Absolutely untrue IMHO, if the level isn't excessive. Sleep by the surf, waterfall, babling brook, windy area like Aruba, etc., etc. .... See my posting re white noise. >> >Anything that we are exposed >> >to for an extended period of time is dangerous [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >instances. Modern man has migrated so far away from a natural state >that initially some things, once deemed natural, not seem odd. > >> >Anything that we are exposed > >> >to for an extended period of time is dangerous [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > etc., etc. .... > See my posting re white noise. Yes, but anybody can choose whether you want to sleep by a waterfall. Also surf is not constant like white noise. Also, white noise encompasses every frequency. That is never duplicated in nature anywhere, anytime, any place. Up to you. If it helps your situation I realize the temptation will be high to avail yourself. Steve Giannoni <casagiannoni@optonline.net> wrote in part: >Absolutely untrue IMHO, if the level isn't excessive. > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>instances. Modern man has migrated so far away from a natural state >>that initially some things, once deemed natural, not seem odd. Many of the "sound machines" simply try to duplicate the kinds of sounds that probably were pretty frequent during our evoultion. The genome was formed in the jungle and along rivers, for the most art. One of the best sleeping sounds is rain. SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > Steve Giannoni <casagiannoni@optonline.net> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > formed in the jungle and along rivers, for the most art. One of the best > sleeping sounds is rain. Rain is only part of the available frequencies. White noise is all of them. What about just listening to sounds of rain, waves, rivers, etc? That might be soothing as well. But I think the white noise is trying to drown out the sound of the T, isn't it? When you mask a symptom (and T is definitely a symptom of something wrong), you will never find a solution. Imagine how well your car would run if you just put a piece of tape over the oil warning light? People abuse their bodies, then want to take a pill to get rid of arthritis, cancer, heart problems, etc, instead of addressing the causes for those problems. Pain is your friend. Pain guides us. If we eradicate our symptoms, there is no hope for health solutions. But that demands lifestyle change. And people resist that. People would rather die than give up some sorts of food they have grown comfortable with. And die they will. In droves. This is irony: we mourn for our loved ones at a funeral, then meet together and eat the very same food that just buried them, thereby hastening our own demise. The New Guy <replytogroup@here.thanks> wrote in part: >> Steve Giannoni <casagiannoni@optonline.net> wrote in part: >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >etc? That might be soothing as well. But I think the white noise is >trying to drown out the sound of the T, isn't it? I'm not sure where this focus on "white noise" came from. You made the assertion: "Anything that we are exposed to for an extended period of time is dangerous. The way most people with tinnitus use noise/sound generators is to achieve a reduction in contrast of the tinnitus. A popular analogy is looking at a candle in a dark room vs in a room with background lighting. In the dark room you see a bright candle, and it's hard to get your mind off of it. In the lit room, you can still see the candle, but it is must less attention-grabbing. >When you mask a symptom (and T is definitely a symptom of something >wrong), you will never find a solution. Imagine how well your car [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >our loved ones at a funeral, then meet together and eat the very same >food that just buried them, thereby hastening our own demise. SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > >> >>> >Anything that we are exposed > >> >>> >to for an extended period of time is dangerous [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > assertion: "Anything that we are exposed to for an extended period of time > is dangerous. I started this in regards to the posting about white noise, in that nothing like white noise exists in nature. Its unnatural to hear all frequencies at the same time. And to sleep with a white noise generator just seems to be crazy. But I understand if it helps him sleep. > The way most people with tinnitus use noise/sound generators is to achieve a > reduction in contrast of the tinnitus. A popular analogy is looking at a > candle in a dark room vs in a room with background lighting. In the dark > room you see a bright candle, and it's hard to get your mind off of it. In > the lit room, you can still see the candle, but it is must less > attention-grabbing. Any long term exposure will damage the hearing even more you would think. Especially at a significant volume. They are just now realizing hear damage does occur at far lower levels than previously thought. This could be worsened by society's continual health decline as well. For an example of this, take a look at street scenes from Europe or North America several decades ago. Almost everybody is slim. The contrast to today's obese society is staggering. > >When you mask a symptom (and T is definitely a symptom of something > >wrong), you will never find a solution. Imagine how well your car [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >our loved ones at a funeral, then meet together and eat the very same > >food that just buried them, thereby hastening our own demise. The New Guy <replytogroup@here.thanks> wrote in part: >> >Anything that we are exposed >> >to for an extended period of time is dangerous [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >instances. Modern man has migrated so far away from a natural state >that initially some things, once deemed natural, not seem odd. Do you have a cite to a study? I'd like to read it and follow up. I suspect you (and the reporters) are talking about sound loud enough to do damage or close to limits on workplace noise exposure. The kind of partial masking that most people would use to reduce their focus on their tinnitus requires only a pretty soft sound. I certainly won't argue that current typical noise exposures are natural (similar to what humans experienced during evolution). Other than waterfalls and the like, I can't imagine many constant sources of loud noise. But nature isn't quiet, either. Many people with tinnitus overprotect their hearing and manage to make things worse. The ears are meant to hear. SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > >> >Anything that we are exposed > >> >to for an extended period of time is dangerous [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Do you have a cite to a study? I'd like to read it and follow up. Nope. But it should be searchable. > I suspect you (and the reporters) are talking about sound loud enough to do > damage or close to limits on workplace noise exposure. The kind of partial > masking that most people would use to reduce their focus on their tinnitus > requires only a pretty soft sound. That is most of the worries. But another is that low level sound, for long periods of time, (sleeping is a perfect example) can also damage hearing. And it was surprising how low it could be (they were talking about moderate background noise) albeit it for hours at a time. > I certainly won't argue that current typical noise exposures are natural > (similar to what humans experienced during evolution). Other than waterfalls > and the like, I can't imagine many constant sources of loud noise. But > nature isn't quiet, either. Many people with tinnitus overprotect their > hearing and manage to make things worse. The ears are meant to hear. Yes - earplugs certainly don't help my T. It looks like T is related to neck problems more and more. I do wonder how many people with T have had neck injuries. I had several as a child. Chiropractors gave instant relief but perhaps that didn't help either and I should have been more patient, letting muscle spasms relax on their own. And done more neck flexibility exercises so the muscles didn't spasm in the first place. We lead such sedentary lives, then wonder why things go wrong when we suddenly engage in unpracticed activities. Steve Giannoni <casagiannoni@optonline.net> wrote in part: >Mine is perhaps a bit worse on my left side and, on that side only, if >I move my jaw as far forward as possible, there is tremendous >loudenning while my jaw is positioned near fully forward. Anyone else >relate to this peculiarity, or other comments? This is very common. If tested in a very quiet place, even people without tinnitus will hear it when muscle tension is changed in some way. Seems to have to do with a spot in the brainstem where both auditory and somatosensory inputs are processed. SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG
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