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Attend to your T quickly!

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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 22 Mar 2007 05:55 GMT
I think it is EXTREMELY important for any newbie to attend to his or
her T quickly as soon as it is detected.

>From  the 15 doctors I went to see at that time I had my T, a message
seems clear: if the T is treated quickly, preferrably within 2 weeks
after it is detected, the chances of a cure are quite good; but once
your T gets old, it becomes more difficult to treat.

I realize many viewers here are a bit sensitive to the mentioning of
alternative med or methods for various reasons.  However, from the 15
doctors or doctors who practised western medicine, one feature stood
out in common of the treatments they gave me.  It is blood vessel
dilation, either intraveneously or orally.  The idea behind is: since
the cause of your T is unknown, an overall improvement of blood
circulation hopefully will strengthen that part of the body that
causes your T to recover and thus cut down your T.  As a matter of
fact, the use of blood vessel dilation is almost a standard practice
in all the hospitals in China for new T patients.  Thus there seems to
be an element of relevance there, otherwise the doctors there would
not have used it so widely.  For those viewers who feel the other side
of the globe is too strange for them, I would suggest to you that the
European doctors also subscribe to this theory of blood vessel
dilation.  Perhaps my bringing up this 'European connection'  will
produce some confidence in you with this approach.

You can either talk to your doctor about this or if your doctor does
not subscribe to the circulatory theory, go to a pharmacist and talk
to him about using ginko biloba for improving your head blood
circulation.  Every road leads to Rome.  The last thing you want to do
is to delay your treatment  by studying both sides of many studies.
Your job as a patient is to get treatment, not to get involved in any
studies or analysis.  You can, however, do it as a hobby.
Murray Grossan - 23 Mar 2007 03:55 GMT
On 3/21/07 9:55 PM, in article
1174539326.479544.210660@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com, "fyfpoon@gmail.com"

> You can either talk to your doctor about this or if your doctor does
> not subscribe to the circulatory theory, go to a pharmacist and talk
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Your job as a patient is to get treatment, not to get involved in any
> studies or analysis.  You can, however, do it as a hobby.

Going to doctors as a hobby????????  I guarantee that will make you feel
worse, if only for the trauma of parking fees. Going to 15 doctors as a
hobby???? Ever hear of golf, stamps, jogging, skating?
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 23 Mar 2007 04:27 GMT
> On 3/21/07 9:55 PM, in article
> 1174539326.479544.210...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com, "fyfp...@gmail.com"
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> worse, if only for the trauma of parking fees. Going to 15 doctors as a
> hobby???? Ever hear of golf, stamps, jogging, skating?  

The 'it' in the last sentence refers to "(being)involved in any
studies or analysis".

That said, do you agree with me?  Do you think the T patients here
should focus on treatment or on analysis of 'controlled' studies?
Murray Grossan - 24 Mar 2007 07:14 GMT
On 3/22/07 8:27 PM, in article
1174620467.431773.207970@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com, "fyfpoon@gmail.com"

> That said, do you agree with me?  Do you think the T patients here
> should focus on treatment or on analysis of 'controlled' studies?
Controlled studies are lovely as are double blind when you are dealing with
fractures and hypertension or cholesterol levels.

Please tell me how you do controlled studies on a symptom you can't measure
or objectify that is highly susceptable to placebo effect.
Jim Chinnis - 24 Mar 2007 19:13 GMT
Murray Grossan <hydromed@adelphia.net> wrote in part:

>Please tell me how you do controlled studies on a symptom you can't measure
>or objectify that is highly susceptable to placebo effect.

Murray, controlled studies can be done on subjective experience. And
subjective experience can be measured in a number of very rigorous ways.
There are a lot of mathematical areas within the discipline of psychology
that deal with this. Psychophysics was probably the earliest discipline that
measured subjective experience.

It's quite possible to measure things like subjective "redness," "loudness,"
"pain," etc.

The fact that placebos influence measures is the reason to do controlled
studies employing a placebo!
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Jim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA
Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG

fyfpoon@gmail.com - 25 Mar 2007 05:23 GMT
> Murray Grossan <hydro...@adelphia.net> wrote in part:
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> The fact that placebos influence measures is the reason to do controlled
> studies employing a placebo!

Whatever methods people employ to detect placebo influence contain
limitations, and this is particularly true in view of the fact that
medical science is not as precise  a science in DEGREE as physics or
mathematics.  Therefore, the results of any controlled study in
medical science have to be reported as what they are rather than to
serve as an absolute indication if a treatment will or will not work
for a patient who wants to try. And the decision to try out a
treatment has to lean upon not just the results of a controlled study
but also the past clinical experience of the physician involved.  On
that basis, a controlled study serves at best as only *one* of the
reference indicators.

> --
> Jim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA
> Want to discuss Meniere's? Seehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 25 Mar 2007 02:07 GMT
> On 3/22/07 8:27 PM, in article
> 1174620467.431773.207...@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com, "fyfp...@gmail.com"
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Please tell me how you do controlled studies on a symptom you can't measure
> or objectify that is highly susceptable to placebo effect.

I am not a doctor nor am I a scientist.  I am only a patient.  I will
try methods of treatment suggested to me by my doctors and i will
telll the doctors about my  response to these treatments.  The doctor
prescribes me the kinds of treatments in accordance with his clinical
experience.

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