Why are some people so opposed to the mentioning of a cure for tinnitus?

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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 06 Mar 2007 15:34 GMT

Most of those in AST who are opposed to even the mentioning of a cure
do so NOT because they have done a survey all over the world to see if
a cure has occurred and the circumstances under which a cure took
place. They do so for the following reasons:

(1)As doctors they believe if they are unable to treat an illness, no
other doctors anywhere in the world are able to do it because they are
already the best....in their own opinion, of course.

(2)As patients they have not found a cure, or even a good treatment,
for their tinnitus and thus concluded whatever has not been possible
for them must be impossible for others in the whole world as well.
And the assumption is all patients have identical causes of tinnitus.

(3)The people in (1) and (2) believe wherever they can see and hear is
already the entire world.

The above 3 reasons constitute in my view ETHNOCENTRICISM.

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jga.socal - 08 Mar 2007 16:51 GMT

On Mar 6, 7:34 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The above 3 reasons constitute in my view ETHNOCENTRICISM.

Yes, you are the expert in ethnocentricism Francis. And, hypocrisy
aside, your obvious alignment with this mindset pervades *everything*
you write on this ng.

http://tinyurl.com/yqaak5 - May 6, 2006
"..when the Chinese were building the Great Wall, tracking down the
comic, applying acupuncture and various herbs for medical treatments,
the WASPs used to live in the dark forests of Europe, drinking animal
bloods and dancing around camp fires with their bottoms naked... ",
Francis Poon

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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 09 Mar 2007 02:56 GMT

> On Mar 6, 7:34 am, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> bloods and dancing around camp fires with their bottoms naked... ",
> Francis Poon

It was a discriptiion of historical truth, albeit expressed in a
format of a delicious sense of humor. After all, people like yourself
have been brainwashed into perceiving incorrectly other people, and in
particular the Chinese, by the Hollywood establishment. Thus a moment
of ponderosity, esoteric to this group, should do you a lot of good.
Would you say so?

That said, you still have not answered the question why some people
are sensitve to the mentioning of a cure. I am so far not the only
one who has mentioned a cure in this group. By the way, if you are
incapable of addressing to the crux of the post but instead capable of
only steering the crux of the topic away by going after an attitude,
such a motion would constitute 'a bad habit' in discussion. No?

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Janice - 09 Mar 2007 03:19 GMT

People are so afraid of a cure because they would have to admit their
beliefs are wrong. These beliefs are usually based on their incesant
trying to cure themselves, hopelessly, with the help of occidental
medical practicioners that are not allowed to perceive any method or
concept but what they are formally taught. This allows no growth.

I know of practicioners here that have lost their licence to practice
medicine due to non-standard methods. This one in particular was
practicing in the same building as a Naturopathic Doctor and
impressed, adopted some of the Naturopathic methods. He is currently
nobody. he cannot practice medicine and is not certified as a
Naturopathic Doctor either.

This all follows with a "If I can't get better then nobody can"

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> bloods and dancing around camp fires with their bottoms naked... ",
> Francis Poon

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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 09 Mar 2007 11:21 GMT

> People are so afraid of a cure because they would have to admit their
> beliefs are wrong. These beliefs are usually based on their incesant
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> This all follows with a "If I can't get better then nobody can"

I was fortunate to have been prescribed gingko biloba in Hong Kong by
a doctor who graduated from Cambridge University. As a matter of
fact, the gingko pills he sold me are made in an organic garden in
England.

Today, I brought an American young chap to visit the same
acupuncturist who treated me here in China. This American got in
touch with me after reading my post here in ALT. His tinnitus started
about 2 years ago and his sister, who is also a doctor in the US, told
him that his tinnitus would go away. It has been 2 years now and the
noise is as loud and high-pitched as it was before.

The first thing this acupuncturist told this American guy is that
gingko is ineffective for *his* type of tinnitus and he prescribed to
him some other kinds of herb to help him with his sleep. It just
happened that this American guy took gingko 4 days ago and so far his
body has not responded. As you can see, not all tinnitus cases are
identical. But the double blind/controlled experiments performed by
western medical 'scientists' do not seem to have taken this into
consideration.

He is coming over to China from HK to treat his tinnitus once a week
and I will follow up on his progress and see if anything will work for
him. After all, he tried everything, including 'habituation' in the
US and he continues to be bothered by his illness. What has he got to
lose by trying a different approach?

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Mr. Y - 10 Mar 2007 12:32 GMT

I would tend to agree with this. Also, in the US, medical malpractice
lawsuits are a big issue.

Since there exists no cure that works consistently, the medical world tends
to write them off as innefective. Suppose there was a cure that was 90%
effective, but it increased the chance of heart attack by 30%. I would
think that many people with T would take it, but the medical community would
tend to write it off.

The fact that there are many causes of T and these studies tend not to
differentiate patients as to the cause and sound of their T, makes me think
that the work is not been done as effectively as it could have been.

> Most of those in AST who are opposed to even the mentioning of a cure
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> The above 3 reasons constitute in my view ETHNOCENTRICISM.

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fyfpoon@gmail.com - 10 Mar 2007 14:10 GMT

> I would tend to agree with this. Also, in the US, medical malpractice
> lawsuits are a big issue.
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> differentiate patients as to the cause and sound of their T, makes me think
> that the work is not been done as effectively as it could have been.

I met this American guy from Seattle. He is currently an expat
working in HK. When I brought him to the acupuncturist/herbalist here
in the city of ShenZhen in China, the TCM doctor, after diagnosing
him, told him that ginko biloba is ineffective for *his* type of
tinnitus. But the same guy could have been used in the human sample
for 'double blind' study of ginko on tinnitus. Can you imagine how
many t patients to whom ginko is not effective were put into this type
of controlled studies and the reports used to advise on people whether
they should try ginko or not?

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