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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / February 2007how soon might cutting out caffeine help?
Hi, I'm also someone who is new to this group but not new to tinnitus. I'm 58 and have had the hiss/whistle in both ears 24/7 for about 18 years. And I'm a hearing aid wearer. I wouldn't call myself a heavy coffee drinker - usually 1 or 2 cups in the morning. I never have caffeine after noontime. Every thing I read says that cutting out caffeine quiets the tinnitus and I'm willing to do it (like most others willing to try almost anything). I don't expect it ever to be "cured". But if it were moderately reduced that would be a Godsend. So my question is whether any readers with tinnitus have cut back on modest caffeine intake like mine and seen an effect. Also would be helpful how long it took before that effect was noticed. TIA  SignatureLaurence Smith > Hi, > I'm also someone who is new to this group but not new to tinnitus. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > TIA Laurence, when I have a food induced T increase, the T gets quiet again within hours. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Susan I stopped coffie, chocolate and milk for about 3 years. now I drink a pot of coffie a day as well as milk and chocolate but am still careful with my sodium intake. I don't notice any obvious changes that could be associated with the coffie. Many have reported here failure to effect any change by cutting coffee. Most reports to this nature, I find, are bogus and a serious attempt was never made due to bias. It only seemed like a long time to the user. > Hi, > I'm also someone who is new to this group but not new to tinnitus. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > TIA Well, I'd have to disagree with that. I cut out caffeine for a year to see if it would make any difference. It didn't. So I went back to having my one cup of coffee every morning. I did make a serious attempt -- nothing bogus about it. It just didn't work for me. That does not mean it isn't worth trying. It may be different for each person. Eva > Many have reported here failure to effect any change by cutting > coffee. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> -- >> Laurence Smith Did you substitute with tea or hot chocolate anyway? I thought you had me in your killfilters last time you had a temper tantrum? > Well, I'd have to disagree with that. I cut out caffeine for a year > to see if it would make any difference. It didn't. So I went back [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >>> -- >>> Laurence Smith I substituted herbal tea -- not tea with caffeine or chocolate with caffeine. I don't have a killfilter, and I don't know who you are. And no, I haven't had a temper tantrum in quite a while. Just wanted to point out that this kind of thing is different for everybody. By all means, people should give it a good, honest try to see if it works. Eva > Did you substitute with tea or hot chocolate anyway? > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >>>> -- >>>> Laurence Smith Maybe you cann apply your short memory to your tinnitus and forget you have it alltogether? That is what I originally stated, in this thread, that most report no change from caffiene products but I doubt many have given it a fair trial. It sounds like you have. I thought New Mex would be so much more relaxing and tinnitus would be less frequent. > I substituted herbal tea -- not tea with caffeine or chocolate with > caffeine. I don't have a killfilter, and I don't know who you are. [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] >>>>> -- >>>>> Laurence Smith >Hi, >I'm also someone who is new to this group but not new to tinnitus. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >TIA You got me thinking. In an earlier thread I mentioned that my tinnitus hadn't got any worse over the few years and, after thinking about it, I gave up drinking coffee around then. I'd gone to a herbalist/healer who'd discovered that I had severe candida and recommended that - in addition to some dietary changes and taking some herbal drops he'd prepared - I also take a couple of months off from drinking ordinary tea, coffee and alcohol. When the candida was cleared up and I'd gone through the programme he'd set, I found that I no longer had any desire to drink coffee and, except for three or four cups of decaf on social occasions, I haven't done so since then. BTW - My GP had been treating me for everything under the sun except candida for years, but once the candida was out of the way, all the other symptoms and health problems went with it. Damn shame the tinnitus didn't go too, but at least it hasn't got any worse and now I wonder if it has anything to do with cutting out coffee. Candida is only a symptom of another problem. Treating candida is something that is only a temporary measure and a healthy digestion will keep it in check anyway. This is favorite money maker for health practicioners with a continuous return. >>Hi, >>I'm also someone who is new to this group but not new to tinnitus. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > I > wonder if it has anything to do with cutting out coffee. >Candida is only a symptom of another problem. Treating candida is >something that is only a temporary measure and a healthy digestion >will keep it in check anyway. This is favorite money maker for health >practicioners with a continuous return. By the time I was diagnosed with candida, the bloating had resulted in a shortness of breath and other symptoms that caused my GP to send me to a succession of specialists who ordered a succession of tests, including x-rays, an MRI, ultrasound scans, a gastroscopy and an angiogram. I'd also been prescribed a wide array of pharmaceutical medications that I was taking morning, noon and night. All of the tests, which cost me a lot of money, showed that I was "healthy as a horse." In fact, much to my delight, the cardiologist told me I had the cardiovascular system of a healthy male half my age (I was 62 at the time) and that he wished his heart was as healthy (he was in his early-40's). So, in a funny way, the time, expense and discomfort were worth it, because it removed the source of a great deal of worry. However, until the herbalist/healer, no one had even mentioned the possibility of candida and, if anything, it was the allopathic rather than holistic approach that was ensuring a continuous return. Thankfully, the dietary changes that the herbalist/healer suggested worked and are still working. I haven't had a reoccurrence of candida since it cleared up. Nor have I had to see my GP, don't take any medications whatsoever and enjoy better health than I have in years. Now ... if I could only get rid of the blasted tinnitus ... >>>Hi, >>>I'm also someone who is new to this group but not new to tinnitus. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >> I >> wonder if it has anything to do with cutting out coffee. Frequently candida will indicate celiac. This can be very difficult to diagnose but is usually the case when nothing else makes sense healthwise. Many years ago pro's thought celiac occurred only a few per 10,000 but some are saying 5-10% now have it. If you take a celiac blood test for IgA and IgE (or something like that) and it is negative, it means nothing. You may take it again next week and be found positive. If positive it is 100% accurate. The easy way to find out, without biopsy from a.shole to breakfast search is to cut out all wheat, barley (malt), oats (usually tainted), rye, spelt, etc... for a few weeks. Cheating nullifies the result. Any tiny bit of gluten and it is like starting over. If this is the case you will find a huge difference and start to be very aware should you go back on gluten products. Coeliacs (sometimes spelled this way) usually start to have big problems in later years from malnutrition. Osteoporosis & insanity are big ones. >>Candida is only a symptom of another problem. Treating candida is >>something that is only a temporary measure and a healthy digestion [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] >>> I >>> wonder if it has anything to do with cutting out coffee. >Frequently candida will indicate celiac. This can be very difficult to >diagnose but is usually the case when nothing else makes sense [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >problems in later years from malnutrition. Osteoporosis & insanity >are big ones. Until you mentioned it, I've never known about celiac disease. But from what I've been able to read after doing a Google search, it looks like a nasty condition that I wouldn't wish on anyone - even top-posters. <g> Fortunately, for me, I have none of the symptoms and the symptoms that are shared with celiac disease disappeared when the candida cleared up. Thanks for the heads-up. > Frequently candida will indicate celiac. This can be very difficult to > diagnose but is usually the case when nothing else makes sense [quoted text clipped - 110 lines] > > - 显示引用的文字 - What is CANDIDA? TKS >> >>> BTW - My GP had been treating me for everything under the sun >> >>> except candida for years, but once the candida was out of the way, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >What is CANDIDA? A quick Google search shows the following: Candida is a genus of yeasts. Clinically, the most significant member of the genus is Candida albicans, which can cause numerous fungal infections (candidiasis or thrush) in humans and other animals, especially in immunocompromised patients.[1] In my case the symptoms were bloating, gas, discomfort/pain in the gastrointestinal tract, loose bowels, skin problems and trouble breathing (due to the bloating). In other people it can cause ViginalThrush or mouth infections. Try a Google search for more information. > On 24 Feb 2007 19:00:06 -0800, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> > sez: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Try a Google search for more information. Can it be treated medically? Sure it can be treated medically. They can give you some bandaids so you cannot see it. Can it be treated medically? >> On 24 Feb 2007 19:00:06 -0800, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> >> sez: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Can it be treated medically? Mine was treated by taking a herbal remedy formulated by a herbalist/healer and by changing my diet. So far, so good. > On 25 Feb 2007 07:06:10 -0800, "fyfp...@gmail.com" <fyfp...@gmail.com> > sez: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Mine was treated by taking a herbal remedy formulated by a > herbalist/healer and by changing my diet. So far, so good.- Wish you can get this herbalist/healer to take care of your tinnitus too. Years ago when my tinnitus flared up, i did go to one in China. The remedy he formulated for me stopped the sound but raised my blood pressure. So I went back to tell him about that. He simply withdrew some ingredients from the remedy but the revived remedy was no longer able to do the job of stopping the sound. Thus it was a catch 22 situation---either tinnitus or high bp. There is this one named QI JU DI HUANG WAN. This one does not raise my blood pressure but works veeeeeeeeeeeeeeery slowly. It does cause diahrea in some people, depending on the quantity taken, of course. Thus one has to decide what the suitable quantity should take after some trial. This med can help your re-vitalize your overall body condition even if it cannot help your tinnitus. You can talk to your herb doc about it. 隐藏被引用 文字 - > - 显示引用的文字 - In my practice I have not noticed any positive or negative with caffeine effect on tinnitus. In theory I would expect it to have a beneficial effect. > >Candida is only a symptom of another problem. Treating candida is > >something that is only a temporary measure and a healthy digestion [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > All of the tests, which cost me a lot of money, showed that I was > "healthy as a horse." I am sure all these tests were prescribed to you because your doc had been told that these tests were effective tests and they had been carried through double blind control experiments. They must have costed you quite a bit, I would think. ============================= In fact, much to my delight, the cardiologist > told me I had the cardiovascular system of a healthy male half my age > (I was 62 at the time) and that he wished his heart was as healthy (he [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > - 显示引用的文字 - > > Hi, > > I'm also someone who is new to this group but not new to tinnitus. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > tinnitus didn't go too, but at least it hasn't got any worse and now I > wonder if it has anything to do with cutting out coffee. There have been some interesting responses to my original post. Unfortunately what I most hoped for didn't materialize. And that would have been someone saying, "I gave up coffee and other caffeinated beverages and within (fill in the blank with some reasonable number of weeks or months) my tinnitus was reduced noticeably." Instead we are reading about no effect after a year or people thinking that things haven't worsened. So now I went one week without caffeine. No change whatever in the tinnitus. Sleeping better - that's good. But can't get the old motor running in the morning. I'm going to give it more time but probably after one or two months I'll restore coffee to my morning routine. But thank you to all who posted. SignatureLarry Smith > There have been some interesting responses to my original post. > Unfortunately what I most hoped for didn't materialize. And that would [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Larry Smith I'm sorry you didn't get the answers you wanted. Don't give up yet, tho. Have you looked into reducing sodium? There are different things you can try. I hate to see you being so discouraged. I sure didn't mean to make you feel that way. You never know -- just the fact that you're sleeping better might help your tinnitus. Give it a chance. Be patient. I know it's hard. Bless your heart. Eva On 2/6/07 9:23 AM, in article 1170782592.078063.302580@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com, "equesnel@unm.edu" >> There have been some interesting responses to my original post. >> Unfortunately what I most hoped for didn't materialize. And that would [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Eva Some writers here have recommended Melatonin for sleep. That might work. > On 2/6/07 9:23 AM, in article > 1170782592.078063.302...@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com, "eques...@unm.edu" [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Some writers here have recommended Melatonin for sleep. That might >work A guy I know in HK looks 60 while in fact he is 70. He attributes his good health to Melatonin. .- 隐藏被引用文字 - > - 显示引用的文字 - I like coffee as it keeps me awake from napping. Napping is very bad for tinnitus for whatever reasons. But if cutting off coffee can improve your sleep, I suppose the answer is positive. Try to drink the brewed/filtered coffee, not the instant. =========================== > Hi, > I'm also someone who is new to this group but not new to tinnitus. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > -- > Laurence Smith
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