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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / March 2007Waking up From Sleep
I'm curious if others experience the breif escape of the ringing as I seem to have when I first wake up in the morining. The first couple minutes after waking up I dont hear the constant ringing. I dont know if its really gone or if its just that my brain isnt fully awake. Whatever it is, it nice to have complete silience. Even though it's only for a short time. > I'm curious if others experience the breif escape of the ringing as I > seem to have when I first wake up in the morining. The first couple > minutes after waking up I dont hear the constant ringing. I dont know > if its really gone or if its just that my brain isnt fully awake. > Whatever it is, it nice to have complete silience. Even though it's > only for a short time. I've noticed a similar thing, although for me the quiet period only lasts a few seconds. When you go to sleep your brain turns off the signals from your ears (which is why you only get awoken by loud noises). I suspect the same process is what turns off the tinnitus. (I've never noticed any high pitched ringing while dreaming.) >> I'm curious if others experience the breif escape of the ringing as I >> seem to have when I first wake up in the morining. The first couple [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > noises). I suspect the same process is what turns off the tinnitus. > (I've never noticed any high pitched ringing while dreaming.) unfortunately for me, t is the last thing i hear at night, and the first thing i hear in the morning. in fact, it is at its worst in the morning-only relieved by a shower. maybe its down to how it originated? my t is noise induced. > unfortunately for me, t is the last thing i hear at night, and the first > thing i hear in the morning. in fact, it is at its worst in the > morning-only relieved by a shower. Maybe the heat of the shower is loosening the neck area and that is helping. I have thought often about this. Some people claim that the tinnitus wakes them up from their sleep, but I have the feeling that during sleep it is silent. When I wake up, within a few seconds (actually within a second I'd say) "the noise is turned on". (Only now I see John Green is making the same point.) The strange thing is that generally my tinnitus is worse in the morning than in the evening. It is interesting that for you it lasts minutes rather than seconds. Maybe you should experiment to see how you can extend that period by doing or avoiding things or thoughts. > I'm curious if others experience the breif escape of the ringing as I > seem to have when I first wake up in the morining. The first couple > minutes after waking up I dont hear the constant ringing. I dont know > if its really gone or if its just that my brain isnt fully awake. > Whatever it is, it nice to have complete silience. Even though it's > only for a short time. HI, yes for the brief precious moments which you get fooled that maybe the T is gone!! But it returns. I need to know what happens exactly when we just awaken while stile in bed as I have the pulsitile T . Do you? And I am pounding and pulsing loudly while still in bed and I really want to stay in bed but can't as it is too loud and it makes me anxious and scared so I have to get up prematurely ( the urge to go to the bathroom seems the initiative to urge the body to wake up but getting back to sleep is difficult then).. If I have a bad dream its Very loud and the rapid pulsiile T is so fast which copies the pulse either way even with a nap when I awake WOW, it take about 5-10 minutes to come down to normal bearable T. Would love to know what bodily function happens that makes us wake up as it the most disabling for me and how could I eliminate this T on awakening, is it forced blood pressure or increased anxiety saying: wake up:! which would affect pulsitile T..?Also when I place my head on a soft pillow it raises the T too so I hope I pass out quickly to shut the noise down or its torture. thanks buzz > I'm curious if others experience the breif escape of the ringing as I > seem to have when I first wake up in the morining. The first couple > minutes after waking up I dont hear the constant ringing. I dont know > if its really gone or if its just that my brain isnt fully awake. > Whatever it is, it nice to have complete silience. Even though it's > only for a short time. > I'm curious if others experience the breif escape of the ringing as I > seem to have when I first wake up in the morining. Same here. It's not a subjective thing either, since I can hear the radio (alarm clock) when I wake up, but within 30 seconds or so the T starts up and drowns out the radio. I think it's blood-pressure related. Bob > I think it's blood-pressure related. Yes, or maybe related to changes in the blood flow patterns in the brain as it changes from sleep to wakefulness. It would be interesting to see a PET scan showing the differences, especially around the auditory cortex. Skycloud I doubt the auditory system would show anything. Tinnitus is in the brain. >> I think it's blood-pressure related. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Skycloud >> It would be interesting to see a PET scan showing the differences, >> especially around the auditory cortex. >I doubt the auditory system would show anything. Tinnitus is in the brain. The auditory cortex is part of the brain. S Mine is worst upon waking. If I wake in the middle of the night, it is deafening. During the day it subsides; quietest just before bedtime. > I'm curious if others experience the breif escape of the ringing as I > seem to have when I first wake up in the morining. The first couple > minutes after waking up I dont hear the constant ringing. I dont know > if its really gone or if its just that my brain isnt fully awake. > Whatever it is, it nice to have complete silience. Even though it's > only for a short time. On first acquirung T in 1982, I was very upset at its presence. I made a T-masker from a battery powered (Ivie IE-10) pink noise generator and set of headphone, feeding said phones (monaural) through a 0.1 uf capacitor. One night a few days into that usage, I awoke in the middle of the night, and for about 1/2 second, I did NOT hear the T. Then the T resumed it usual level. At that time (for the first time) I concuded that the T signal can be disconnected from the concious brain. It is also true that the perception of hearing is likewise disconnected from the concious brain during full sleep. From that moment onward, I felt as though I could then cope with T for the rest of my life, provided I had the means to fall alseep soundly. After that, I coined a set of five irritants that might interfere with falling asleep: Fatigue, ` Red meat, Coffee, Alcohol and Stress (worry). To this day, I am careful to not accumulate too much of any of the above. Angelo Campanella > Then the T resumed it usual level. At that time (for the first time) I > concuded that the T signal can be disconnected from the concious brain. Exactly, I recognize and remember that feeling very well. One realizes that T is not really a part of oneself. Only my hope was that on the basis of this, it should be possible to control the mind in such a way that one could switch off the T also when awake. So far, no luck. Just an idea, but here it goes. When I think about other things, my brain is devoting it's energy to those things, thus taking away from thinking about T. However, when you sleep, maybe these parts of the brain are not working as hard, and therefore, the T is more noticable when you first get up. I also have my T quiet when i wake up for about 1 second or so. Also, when I am really tired and I am partially daydreaming in the morning, my T goes away. > I'm curious if others experience the breif escape of the ringing as I > seem to have when I first wake up in the morining. The first couple > minutes after waking up I dont hear the constant ringing. I dont know > if its really gone or if its just that my brain isnt fully awake. > Whatever it is, it nice to have complete silience. Even though it's > only for a short time. You just forgot to listen for it. > Just an idea, but here it goes. When I think about other things, my > brain is devoting it's energy to those things, thus taking away from [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> Whatever it is, it nice to have complete silience. Even though it's >> only for a short time. > Just an idea, but here it goes. When I think about other things, my brain > is devoting it's energy to those things, thus taking away from thinking [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Also, when I am really tired and I am partially daydreaming in the > morning, my T goes away. Yes, it's reasonable to suppose that, just like a computer, the brain has limited processing power and in general it will prioritise the tasks to aid survival. This means, when there are pressing matters to attend to in the outside world, such as people to talk to or traffic to avoid, it'll concentrate on those things first, and ever-present background stimuli that might otherwise demand attention because they're unpleasant (like the feeling of your pinching shoes or...your tinnitus) will get ignored for a while. This is why wearing a hearing amplifier that only amplifies sound around the tinnitus frequencies can be so effective in suppressing tinnitus. The brain latches onto the information-bearing content present in that sound and is simply unable to simultaneously process the tinnitus underneath. Skycloud As in "we can only feel one pain at a time"? >> Just an idea, but here it goes. When I think about other things, >> my brain is devoting it's energy to those things, thus taking away [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Skycloud > As in "we can only feel one pain at a time"? If one pain carried information about the outside world and the other didn't, then the answer would likely be yes. For example, if a dog was painfully biting you on a day you had a bad headache, the matter of dealing with the dog would be far the more pressing. While you were dealing with the dog, I assure you your mind would not be on your headache... Similarly, in the case of tinnitus, of course you can normally hear it alongside other sounds although if the real world sounds are particularly engrossing you'll forget the tinnitus for a while. However, if those incoming real world sounds lying *in the same frequency band* as the tinnitus are boosted by a hearing amplifier, a deeper effect occurs - at least in my case. The brain switches to only processing the sound coming from the outside world. I presume this is because the brain's processing capacity on a given frequency channel is limited and the real world sounds contain useful information, whereas the tinnitus does not. The tinnitus becomes redundant and is suppressed. Having recourse to this technique in the early days of my T really helped me cope. Guessing here, but I should think it wouldn't be so useful for those suffering from hyperacusis or recruitment... Skycloud > This is why wearing a hearing amplifier that only amplifies sound around the > tinnitus frequencies can be so effective in suppressing tinnitus. The brain > latches onto the information-bearing content present in that sound and is > simply unable to simultaneously process the tinnitus underneath. That's interesting. I am on my first day with digital BTE hearing aids and have no change with the T. The audiogram shows I have significant hearing loss at 1500Hertz and levels off at 4000Hertz. Dropping to around 55 on the vertical scale. I told the audiologist yesterday at the fitting that I felt that the volume wasn't loud enough. He said volume wasn't what I needed that speech clarity is what we want. He said I need to hear the high frequencies such as women's and children speaking. I'm not so sure of that as I have been married for 33 years!...lol. The point I'm tyring to make is the only reason I opted for the hearing aids was to get relief from the T. He programed these to buffer background noise. I feel I would prefer as you stated for the hearing aids to pick up on those noises to either mask or drown out the T. Here's the kicker! My insurance is covering the cost of the aids but if I back out I will be out $500 on a cancellation fee. Are all hearing aids capable of doing what you stated above? > That's interesting. I am on my first day with digital BTE hearing aids > and have no change with the T. The audiogram shows I have significant [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > if I back out I will be out $500 on a cancellation fee. Are all hearing > aids capable of doing what you stated above? I'm no expert on hearing aids. I didn't research them but instead made my own arrangements when I first had my T problem. However yes, I would have thought that digital aids could be programmed to do just about anything. The problem is their cost. There are currently much cheaper alternatives available over the internet, but it's not appropriate for me to discuss them here because I have direct commercial involvement. All the best, Skycloud
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