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Ear candling for tinnitus

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Gym Bob - 13 Sep 2003 03:45 GMT
My future daughter in law has been complaining of tinnitus for quite some
time now. Apparently from the description it is quite bothersome and much
worse than mine, or my anxiety of it.

A few weeks ago she announced she was going to see the accupuncturist I have
used for various problems in the past. She has had an appointment with him
to date and  he says he can "cure" her tinnitus. I am skeptical even though
it is fantastic for muscle / tendon problems.

I spoke with her tonight and asked her how it has been going with this
accupuncturist and she told me her tinnitus is almost gone. She has received
ear candling from this guy and claims a tonne of wax was removed from her
ear canals. She has to go back to have it done one more time but feels from
the previous success her tinnitus may be mostly or completely gone.

I will update more as I find out over the next weeks.
tommy - 13 Sep 2003 11:39 GMT
> My future daughter in law has been complaining of tinnitus for quite some
> time now. Apparently from the description it is quite bothersome and much
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> I will update more as I find out over the next weeks.

Hello, these candles are made of beeswax, supposedly it warms the clog in
the ear and evaporates it!! (perhaps some beeswax smoke can do this?) so its
particles float through the candle tube and gets caught up again by a filter
in the other side of the candle. Now, stupid people actually believe this,
that 30 degrees celsius can powderize ear-muck so it floats out from the
ear! LOL
Anyway, the "earwax" these herbalists claim to find is differently charred
lumps of beeswax.
* Beware of these candles, the filter is just a cross inside it, with plenty
of room for burning dripping beeswax lava to drop INTO the ear from its
vertical position.
* Now the medical effect of these candles imho is the fact it release
tension and the crackly noise from the candle as it burns down inside your
ear, sorta overrides the T so you "tune" out from it

Tommy
Brad Wilson - 14 Sep 2003 18:20 GMT
If you belief that ear candling works, then you might also believe
that someone somewhere has a voodoo doll in your likeness with a pin
stuck in it's ear.  Be careful of medical quackery is my advise.

Brad
Gym Bob - 15 Sep 2003 02:15 GMT
I believe what works, unlike many of the so-called "professionals" and their
peer reviewed double-blind, better than placebo, poison your body garbage
that causes many deaths.

You can spout all your garbage theories all you want about how "it shouldn't
work", but in the end you will still have your affliction and whine about
how you are helpless until the cows come home. Some people are not that
gullible to medical hearsay and are willing to put out a little effort to
improve their lives.

What have you done to improve your tinnitus? Do tell!

> If you belief that ear candling works, then you might also believe
> that someone somewhere has a voodoo doll in your likeness with a pin
> stuck in it's ear.  Be careful of medical quackery is my advise.
>
> Brad
Howard Gutnick - 15 Sep 2003 14:05 GMT
Gym Bob,

Your nick implies that you are a "gymrat". If so, what's your workout
strategy. I'm at the gym three times a week and compete in powerlifting.

Howard N. Gutnick

> I believe what works, unlike many of the so-called "professionals" and their
> peer reviewed double-blind, better than placebo, poison your body garbage
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> > Brad
Gym Bob - 16 Sep 2003 01:10 GMT
Actually as a female I do not compete power lift but do "special favours"
for the boys at the gym. Thus the second  name "bob". Sort of a groupie
thing that got me this name.

> Gym Bob,
>
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> > >
> > > Brad
Howard Gutnick - 15 Sep 2003 16:35 GMT
I've worked under a microscope trying to extract cerumen with curettes,
loops, hooks, blunts, and suction. We don't use irrigation. Many ears can
take 5 to 15 minutes to get all of the cerumen out.

The notion that there is some negative pressure that will pull cerumen out
is so absurd as to be laughable. But if it floats your cerumen, have at it.

HNG

> > My future daughter in law has been complaining of tinnitus for quite some
> > time now. Apparently from the description it is quite bothersome and much
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> Tommy
Oregon7 - 16 Sep 2003 21:53 GMT
You know, though, that if the patient THINKS it works, and they FEEL better,
then it WORKS.  True.

There is at least a forty percent placebo rate in tinnitus work.  Just seeing
someone who believes in you and you trust can really make a difference in this
condition.

And personally, I think that if something makes someone feel better, then good.


There are too many therapies that appear to be officially supported that make
people feel WORSE!  

Fatigue, nausea, slowed responses, cognitively impairment, physical exhaustion,
constipation, loss of vigor and even loss of sexual enjoyment or interest:  all
of these are consider legimate prices to pay for medications used to treat
tinnitus.

I have literally seen patients who are so overmedicated, they can hardly sign
their names!

Perhaps the ear candles aren't the trick here, it is the person lighting the
candle:  the kindness and caring warmth from someone who listens and responds.
And if so, then fine!

Marsha Johnson
Howard Gutnick - 17 Sep 2003 13:14 GMT
Marsha,

I think there are distinct differences between "therapies" that work because
people believe in them, regardless of their physiologic effectiveness, and
therapies that are reputed to achieve some physical end that can be
objectively verified.

The former would be how ear candling affects tinnitus, feelings of fullness
in the ear, or other more vague complaints which often can't be pinned down
to some focal cause. If the individual believes deeply enough that it will
be effective, it certainly could be effective and only a cruel and unfeeling
clinician would try to dispute that, especially after an ear candle had been
used with the result that was desired by the patient.

The latter would be if ear candling can extract cerumen from the ear canal.
This is totally bogus and can be easily determined by the simple use of an
otoscope before and after the ear candling.

Howard N. Gutnick

> You know, though, that if the patient THINKS it works, and they FEEL better,
> then it WORKS.  True.
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> Marsha Johnson
Gym Bob - 17 Sep 2003 23:44 GMT
A simple moron test can be established by just reading your post. It is easy
to establish your ignorance and only parrot what you have been told to say.

Now go to your room and play with your toys.

> Marsha,
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