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Tinnitus from High Pitched Whine
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julian8888888@hotmail.com - 18 Nov 2006 02:19 GMT Has anyone here ever gotten tinnitus from subtle low volume sounds such as the high pitched whine from a computer monitor?
I'm using an NEC Multisync LCD 1860NX monitor, and the thing has this constant incessant high pitched whine. As soon as I turn it off my ears feel a sense of relief.
I also listen to music with headphones, but even when I test it, and don't put the headphones it still happens. Do you think the cause is the headphones and the monitor simply aggravates it, or the cause is the monitor itself? I'm going to stop using this monitor regardless.
Anyone have a similar experience?
Peter Larsen - 18 Nov 2006 07:56 GMT
> Has anyone here ever gotten tinnitus from subtle low volume sounds such > as the high pitched whine from a computer monitor? What you hear as a "subtle low volume sound" may in fact be quite loud, and if so it is a probable cause of tinnitus or of triggering it if already present.
> I'm using an NEC Multisync LCD 1860NX monitor, and the thing has this > constant incessant high pitched whine. As soon as I turn it off my > ears feel a sense of relief.
> I also listen to music with headphones, but even when I test it, and > don't put the headphones it still happens. Do you think the cause is > the headphones and the monitor simply aggravates it, or the cause is > the monitor itself? I'm going to stop using this monitor regardless. Have you tried changing the screen settings?
> Anyone have a similar experience? Oh yes, noise at the upper range of the hearing can be extremely annoying, a couple of televisions ago I implemented a HF notch filter to remove the 15625 Hz spill-over on the headphone output then used for connection to the main stereo setup.
Peter Larsen
P T - 18 Nov 2006 14:44 GMT Computers: what a nuisance. Add to the fact that you're typically <24 inches from the monitor, and the noise could be quite loud. Also, if you scan old posts at the "homebuilt" computer groups, you will see that a frequent topic is the search for a quiet computer cooling fan. You might try some ear plugs, or buy a pair of ear-muffs like gun shooters wear. They are really not bad to have around. Just like safety glasses for a variety of home tasks, ear protection can be a good idea when using lawn mowers, drills, vacuums, and maybe ... computers?
Elly Byrne - 18 Nov 2006 19:00 GMT 5. Article ... "Who Says A PC Can't Injure You?" By Joe Robson http://newbieclub.com
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A couple of years ago I had a replacement monitor delivered under warranty. It was a big brute and came with a fancy swivel 'n tilt stand which I'd used for the previous 10 months. But this time around I couldn't figure out how to clip the stand into place, so I just plonked the monitor onto my desk 'temporarily'.
After 3 days in its 'temporary' position I realized that my neck and shoulders no longer needed periodic stretching to relieve stiffness - especially at the end of the day. Then I realized that my fancy monitor stand actually positioned the screen so that I had to tilt my head slightly upward - causing aching joints. And I had been doing that 12-14 hours a day for nearly a year! I also realized that once in position, I had never needed to reposition it, so the super-duper star-trek stand was merely an ornament.
Since then I've been astonished at how many times I see people using a PC with their monitor and/or keyboard which is badly positioned - in stores, offices and such.
So here's a few tips on how to avoid injuries when using your computer.
What about injuries? Can you be injured using your computer, or is this just a joke passed from one person to another? Well, you might be amazed to know that doctors report an increase in the number of injuries associated with computer use.
Strains, muscle pain, chronic headache, or repetitive strain injuries may occur. Here's some tips to make life in front of the monitor more rewarding.
Adjust your chair. When you slouch forward, problems occur with your back, neck, shoulders, and legs. Make sure you have enough padding not only for comfort, but for support. If you move a lot, get a chair that swivels. Padded armrests will help if you do a lot of typing.
Adjust the height of your chair so your feet rest flat on the floor and your thighs have enough room under the desk or table. You don't want to hunch forward, lifting your shoulders. You may want to get a footrest as well. Just lifting your feet a bit can make work more pleasant.
If your keyboard is too high, you lift your shoulders in a constant shrug during the day. This causes muscle aches in you neck and shoulders. If you drop your wrists in an attempt to rest your arms and shoulders, you can stretch tendons and ligaments, and press on nerves in the hands. Position your keyboard directly in front of you, and as close as possible. The most natural and comfortable position is right on your lap. This may not be practical, however, but getting it right down low really helps.
Your mother told you stand up straight, and now I'm telling you to sit up straight. Like a lazy dog who leans over on one haunch, you may tend to slouch. (No, I'm not saying you're a lazy dog!) Keep your elbows near your body and your forearms parallel with the floor. Your muscles will thank you by not complaining.
Use a light touch on your keyboard. No need to bang away at the keys and scare the mouse. Stay relaxed throughout your entire upper body. And hold your mouse like you would a baby kitten. Stay loose. And stay in shape.
Your monitor should be a comfortable height. You'll find that a poorly positioned monitor causes more fatigue than anything. Ever go home after a day at work thinking, "What did I do to make me so tired?" Invest in ergonomically designed furniture. You'll thank yourself.
Glare off your monitor's screen can be reduced by angling it 90 degrees to the source of light, or getting an anti glare filter. These filters make viewing a lot easier if stray photons are the problem.
What's the ideal height for your monitor? The top edge should be at eye level when you sit up straight, so your eyes have to look just a little bit downward when viewing the middle of the screen.
You should be able to see the screen without tilting your head or using your back muscles. Additionally, make sure the monitor is about an arm's length from your eyes. You may want to change the brightness or contrast of your screen if you have problems seeing it. Or check with your optometrist and have your vision analyzed. You may find some lightweight reading glasses are just the ticket.
So what if you type a lot of stuff from printed notes? Try to keep the material as close to the monitor as possible. There are nifty devices made to hang your notes to the left or right, so you can focus easily without cranking your head constantly.
Don't forget to move your butt every 20 to 30 minutes. Stretching exercises and frequent short breaks as opposed to long, infrequent breaks. I don't know your exact situation, but if you spend much time working with a computer, you'll appreciate "doing it right." -------------------------------
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emmosea@mail.com - 19 Nov 2006 12:25 GMT > Has anyone here ever gotten tinnitus from subtle low volume sounds such > as the high pitched whine from a computer monitor? I don't know how old you are, but if you're over 25 or so you;re lucky your hearing is still good over 15000 hz or so. The older you get the more the higher sounds get attenuated - but thats probably no comfort to you now !
re headphones - certainly they can make tinnitus worse - the lighter weight ones are better - also loud sounds like live music concerts, traffic on main roads etc, and alcohol (possibly caffiene also) can make tinnitus worse temporarily.
julian8888888@hotmail.com - 20 Nov 2006 00:00 GMT Thanks for all the replies everyone.
This problem started a couple years ago and I should have taken care of this then when it was still under warranty. I called up NEC and asked them if the digital cable would use a different set of parts that would eliminate the noise. They said it might eliminate the noise, so I'll try that before getting a new monitor. For the cost of repair I might as well get a new one. I will get a digital cable tomorrow.
To answer your question, I'm 27. I use headphones but I usually listen at very low volume levels and never at levels that hurt my ears. I just keep them on, even when I'm not listening to music. It's like a buffer between the noise of the monitor and my ears. I wonder if the headphones are plugged in to the computer sound card if some noise is coming to your ears even when your sound is muted...?
I'm taking the other posters advice and am wearing ear muffs now. So far the ringing is still there but it's not gotten worse. Hopefully the damage isn't permanent and will go away. I guess I will know in a few days if it's conduction or not.
Cheers, Julian
> > Has anyone here ever gotten tinnitus from subtle low volume sounds such > > as the high pitched whine from a computer monitor? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > traffic on main roads etc, and alcohol (possibly caffiene also) can > make tinnitus worse temporarily. julian8888888@hotmail.com - 20 Nov 2006 00:04 GMT I've reposted this reply from another forum about the same question:
There are a couple possible noise sources.
1) Whatever the monitor uses for internal power conversion. My monitor gets 12VDC from a wall wart, and the 12VDC has to be converted in the monitor, to voltages suitable for the chips that control the LCD.
2) The inverter that drives the backlight.
The inverter uses a piezoelectric transformer. This article gives some tech info on how it works.
http://focus.ti.com/lit/an/slyt107/slyt107.pdf
There are two ways to build inverters. This article shows the magnetic alternative, as well as the piezoelectric method.
http://www.eetasia.com/ARTICLES/2005JUN/A/2005JUN13_ACC_POW_AN01.PDF
They both operate above human hearing frequency. This piezoelectric device has a self resonant frequency of 82KHz.
http://www.steminc.com/piezo/single_layer_transf.asp
The question would be, whether a device emitting sound, above the human hearing range, can still have a physiological effect. Aliasing (beat note) between two oscillator noise sources in the back of the monitor, could create a tone just above human hearing, so there are some other possibilities when it comes to the noise spectrum.
This article does mention that it is possible for humans to "perceive" noise up to 120KHz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrasonic_hearing
"Ultrasonic hearing is a recognized auditory effect which allows humans to perceive sounds of a much higher frequency than would ordinarily be audible using the physical inner ear, usually by stimulation of the base of the cochlea through bone induction. Human hearing is recognized as having an upper bound around 17-20 kHz, depending on the person, but ultrasonic sinusoids as high as 120 kHz have been reported as successfully perceived."
And what that means is, it is possible for the inverter in the monitor, to be perceptible in some way. Even if the perception is a feeling of pain.
To distinguish between bone induction, and direct hearing, you could try wearing hearing protection. The hearing protection should be ineffective against this kind of noise, so if the perception continues, then the effect could be via conduction, rather than through the auditory canal.
If hearing protection eliminates the problem, then at least you could suspect whatever the problem is, it is via the auditory canal.
Paul
julian8888...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Thanks for all the replies everyone. > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > traffic on main roads etc, and alcohol (possibly caffiene also) can > > make tinnitus worse temporarily. ashlin@hotmail.com - 20 Nov 2006 16:01 GMT Hi, I went to see a person who has studied magnetic fields effects on humans for over 30 years. I really have no clue if this will help .. but this person does use these products at home on all devices that generate electro-magnetic fields. I'll give the link for info only. Its energpolarit.com. Good luck on determing the causes. Richard
Peter Larsen - 20 Nov 2006 22:07 GMT > Hi, > I went to see a person who has studied magnetic fields effects on > humans for over 30 years. I really have no clue if this will help .. > but this person does use these products at home on all devices that > generate electro-magnetic fields. I'll give the link for info only. Its > energpolarit.com. quote from site:
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> Good luck on determing the causes. Search elsewhere, that site is a quack resort, you might be better off with Dr. Hackenbush's expert guidance.
> Richard Peter Larsen
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