Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / September 2003
Hypnosis and tinnitus
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Diogenes - 09 Sep 2003 23:12 GMT Does anyone know of the use of hypnosis to diminish the effect of tinnutus? Thanks diogenes
ENTconsult - 10 Sep 2003 02:17 GMT It can be helpful and is a "rational" form of therapy after checking for treatable causes. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com http://www.hydromedonline.com/presentingthehydropulse/
Martin - 10 Sep 2003 07:37 GMT >It can be helpful and is a "rational" form of therapy after checking for >treatable causes. >Murray Grossan, M.D. >http://www.ent-consult.com >http://www.hydromedonline.com/presentingthehydropulse/ Dear Dr. Grossan,
I'm interested in investigating any way to lessen my tinnitus levels. Do you know of any studies showing the efficiency of using hypnosis as a treatment plan? Is there any success rate generally agreed upon?
I have also visited your site linked above and read about the Nasal Irrigator. Should I be purchasing it because it will reduce my tinnitus, or is this just an advertisement of some sort for an unrelated product that you might be profiting from? If the latter, I don't think that you should be advertizing the product on a tinnitus support group.
Thank you, Martin
ww - 10 Sep 2003 12:50 GMT when are you going to get a job?
Martin - 10 Sep 2003 23:52 GMT >when are you going to get a job? You want me to get another one? Sorry, I work hard enough.
This is a tinnitus support group. I assume that a physician advertizing a product [as much as I don't agree with that] would only be advertizing one that helped tinnitus sufferers.
I asked Dr. Grossan a question. You don't live in a free country? Let me explain it to you. I can ask a question. He does not have to answer, but I can ask it.
Martin Aquinas
ww - 11 Sep 2003 00:45 GMT > Sorry, I work hard enough. lol
Ian Cessant - 10 Sep 2003 20:19 GMT > >It can be helpful and is a "rational" form of therapy after checking for > >treatable causes. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Thank you, > Martin Dear Dr. Grossan,
I have also visited your site linked above and read about the Nasal Irrigator. Should I be purchasing it because it will reduce my tinnitus, or is this just an advertisement of some sort for an unrelated product that you might be profiting from? If the latter, I don't think that you should be advertizing the product on a tinnitus support group.
Thank you, Martin
Dear Dr. Grossan,
I have also visited your site linked above and read about the Nasal Irrigator. Should I be purchasing it because it will reduce my tinnitus, or is this just an advertisement of some sort for an unrelated product that you might be profiting from? If the latter, I don't think that you should be advertizing the product on a tinnitus support group.
Thank you, Martin
Dear Dr. Grossan,
I have also visited your site linked above and read about the Nasal Irrigator. Should I be purchasing it because it will reduce my tinnitus, or is this just an advertisement of some sort for an unrelated product that you might be profiting from? If the latter, I don't think that you should be advertizing the product on a tinnitus support group.
Thank you, Martin
Dear Dr. Grossan,
I have also visited your site linked above and read about the Nasal Irrigator. Should I be purchasing it because it will reduce my tinnitus, or is this just an advertisement of some sort for an unrelated product that you might be profiting from? If the latter, I don't think that you should be advertizing the product on a tinnitus support group.
Thank you, Martin
Dear Dr. Grossan,
I have also visited your site linked above and read about the Nasal Irrigator. Should I be purchasing it because it will reduce my tinnitus, or is this just an advertisement of some sort for an unrelated product that you might be profiting from? If the latter, I don't think that you should be advertizing the product on a tinnitus support group.
Thank you, Martin
Dear Dr. Grossan,
I have also visited your site linked above and read about the Nasal Irrigator. Should I be purchasing it because it will reduce my tinnitus, or is this just an advertisement of some sort for an unrelated product that you might be profiting from? If the latter, I don't think that you should be advertizing the product on a tinnitus support group.
Thank you, Martin
Dear Dr. Grossan,
I have also visited your site linked above and read about the Nasal Irrigator. Should I be purchasing it because it will reduce my tinnitus, or is this just an advertisement of some sort for an unrelated product that you might be profiting from? If the latter, I don't think that you should be advertizing the product on a tinnitus support group.
Thank you, Martin
Dear Dr. Grossan,
I have also visited your site linked above and read about the Nasal Irrigator. Should I be purchasing it because it will reduce my tinnitus, or is this just an advertisement of some sort for an unrelated product that you might be profiting from? If the latter, I don't think that you should be advertizing the product on a tinnitus support group.
Thank you, Martin
Dear Dr. Grossan,
I have also visited your site linked above and read about the Nasal Irrigator. Should I be purchasing it because it will reduce my tinnitus, or is this just an advertisement of some sort for an unrelated product that you might be profiting from? If the latter, I don't think that you should be advertizing the product on a tinnitus support group.
Thank you, Martin
Dear Dr. Grossan,
I have also visited your site linked above and read about the Nasal Irrigator. Should I be purchasing it because it will reduce my tinnitus, or is this just an advertisement of some sort for an unrelated product that you might be profiting from? If the latter, I don't think that you should be advertizing the product on a tinnitus support group.
Thank you, Martin
Dear Dr. Grossan,
I have also visited your site linked above and read about the Nasal Irrigator. Should I be purchasing it because it will reduce my tinnitus, or is this just an advertisement of some sort for an unrelated product that you might be profiting from? If the latter, I don't think that you should be advertizing the product on a tinnitus support group.
Thank you, Martin
Dear Dr. Grossan,
I have also visited your site linked above and read about the Nasal Irrigator. Should I be purchasing it because it will reduce my tinnitus, or is this just an advertisement of some sort for an unrelated product that you might be profiting from? If the latter, I don't think that you should be advertizing the product on a tinnitus support group.
Thank you, Martin
Dear Dr. Grossan,
I have also visited your site linked above and read about the Nasal Irrigator. Should I be purchasing it because it will reduce my tinnitus, or is this just an advertisement of some sort for an unrelated product that you might be profiting from? If the latter, I don't think that you should be advertizing the product on a tinnitus support group.
Thank you, Martin
Dear Dr. Grossan,
I have also visited your site linked above and read about the Nasal Irrigator. Should I be purchasing it because it will reduce my tinnitus, or is this just an advertisement of some sort for an unrelated product that you might be profiting from? If the latter, I don't think that you should be advertizing the product on a tinnitus support group.
Thank you, Martin
Dear Dr. Grossan,
I have also visited your site linked above and read about the Nasal Irrigator. Should I be purchasing it because it will reduce my tinnitus, or is this just an advertisement of some sort for an unrelated product that you might be profiting from? If the latter, I don't think that you should be advertizing the product on a tinnitus support group.
Thank you, Martin
Dear Dr. Grossan,
I have also visited your site linked above and read about the Nasal Irrigator. Should I be purchasing it because it will reduce my tinnitus, or is this just an advertisement of some sort for an unrelated product that you might be profiting from? If the latter, I don't think that you should be advertizing the product on a tinnitus support group.
Thank you, Martin
terri231@knowspam.mam - 10 Sep 2003 21:45 GMT Murray,
Please get this man a nasal irrigator before he loses it. It's Seattle Bruce.
Terri
>> >It can be helpful and is a "rational" form of therapy after checking for >> >treatable causes. [quoted text clipped - 209 lines] >Thank you, >Martin http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
Martin - 10 Sep 2003 23:50 GMT >Please get this man a nasal irrigator before he loses it. It's >Seattle Bruce. Toss in a bag of oats too!
Martin Aquinas - I speak therefore I am right
P.S. I don't miss you know who. Maybe he had a breakthrough. I hope so for his sake.
terri231@knowspam.mam - 11 Sep 2003 00:02 GMT >>Please get this man a nasal irrigator before he loses it. It's >>Seattle Bruce. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >P.S. I don't miss you know who. Maybe he had a breakthrough. I hope so >for his sake. Probably grading the papers from his medical ethics class. It's like a Bizzaro Superman situation.
Terri http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
Bob D. - 11 Sep 2003 01:37 GMT >Murray, > >Please get this man a nasal irrigator before he loses it. It's >Seattle Bruce. > >Terri Hey Terri:
Don't forget -- Seattle Bruce has invented the only real CURE for T (not just a treatment). EERIE WAX has been proven in test after test and its 200 proof formula is still an all-time party favorite -- now available in our special Christmas box.
In addition, our guaranteed "Six weeks in Seattle" T-therapy program is still an incredible $60,000 -- what price happiness !
As Bruce says at the end our our cable TV infomercial:
"EERIE WAX -- Nothing is BETTER !!!!!!!! "
Ciao-4-now,
Bob D. Long Island, NY bdimarco@optonline.net
terri231@knowspam.mam - 11 Sep 2003 11:55 GMT >>Murray, >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >Long Island, NY >bdimarco@optonline.net I keep trying to forget, but no one will let me :-).
Territ http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
Bob D. - 11 Sep 2003 14:27 GMT >I keep trying to forget, but no one will let me :-). > >Territ >http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport Terri:
Please try to appreciate Bruce -- we have few enough good folks and things to talk about on AST.
Good luck with your treatment,
Bob D. Long Island, NY bdimarco@optonline.net
Bob D. - 11 Sep 2003 01:28 GMT > Does anyone know of the use of hypnosis to diminish the effect of >tinnutus? >Thanks >diogenes Diogenes:
I tried it along with my l-o-o-ng list about five years ago. The hypnotherapist was able to get me into a fairly deep trance (and quickly). I found that the T went right along with me through transpositions, memories of parents and childhood, ... . With a LOT of help from him, I learned a 'little' self-hypnosis -- still no long term benefit(s).
I've spoken to some folks who spent a lot more $$$ on this than I did but have only heard one success story. This was from Dr. Nagler who went to a Dr. Herbert Spiegel of Columbia Univerity in New York. He'll probably give you more and better detail if you ask.
Good luck with your treatment,
Bob D. Long Island, NY bdimarco@optonline.net
Stephen Nagler - 11 Sep 2003 02:00 GMT >> Does anyone know of the use of hypnosis to diminish the effect of >>tinnutus? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Bob D. ......................
I think that there may be a role for hypnotherapy in tinnitus, but it is as yet very ill-defined. My thinking is that hypnotherapy might enhance the effectiveness of some of the other treatments, but I do not see it as a stand-alone tinnitus treatment. The above is my impression; however, I know of no good data.
I did find the methods of Dr. Spiegel to be helpful to me. Please remember that "trance" and "sleep" are two different things. Hypnotherapy is a very active process in which there is focused concentration at the expense of peripheral awareness. If you snooze, you lose!
Best of luck.
stephen nagler
terri231@knowspam.mam - 11 Sep 2003 11:57 GMT >>> Does anyone know of the use of hypnosis to diminish the effect of >>>tinnutus? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >I think .
>stephen nagler What you think is immaterial because you are a prevaricator, IMO.
Terri
http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
terrytowel@dirtylaundry.again - 11 Sep 2003 18:56 GMT da towel ("No one cares what you think") thought it important to say:-
> What you think is immaterial because you are a prevaricator, IMO. sad
> http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport http://pub220.ezboard.com/hellhathnofurysupport
LOL!!!
Cheers hic
ENTconsult - 11 Sep 2003 03:45 GMT The mechanism of hypnosis for tinnitus is similar to that of biofeedback and guided meditation. You reduce the reinforcement component of the symptoms. If there is no anxiety reinforcement, then it may not be of value. We also have the hypnotist use guided meditation. Takes you to a time when you didn't have the T. Sometimes the "gain control" gets adjusted this way. I am speaking here of hypnois, not psychotherapy - hypnosis. That's a different thing. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com http://www.hydromedonline.com/presentingthehydropulse/
Martin - 11 Sep 2003 05:55 GMT >Murray Grossan, M.D. >http://www.ent-consult.com >http://www.hydromedonline.com/presentingthehydropulse/ Dear Dr. Grossan,
I'm interested in investigating any way to lessen my tinnitus levels. I have visited your site linked above and read about the Nasal Irrigator. Should I be purchasing it because it will reduce my tinnitus, or is this just an advertisement of some sort for an unrelated product that you might be profiting from? If the latter, I don't think that you should be advertizing the product on a tinnitus support group.
Thank you, Martin
terri231@knowspam.mam - 11 Sep 2003 12:09 GMT >>Murray Grossan, M.D. >>http://www.ent-consult.com [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Thank you, >Martin Perhaps pulsing a stream of water from the Grossan-ator to the middle of the forehead will induce an altered state of consciousness to enable one to stop focusing on the tinnitus. The Chinese started this one a while back, I think.
Murray -- this is another one of my ideas. The going rate for my intellectual property for commercial and medical use is $25,000 per idea used.
Terri Ideas "R" Us
http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
ENTconsult - 11 Sep 2003 16:33 GMT Actually we have had brainstorming sessions with persons of various backgrounds - homemakers, engineers, etc on Tinnitus and some worthwhile ideas have come up. For instance, pulsing the cervical posterior muscles can be very helpful for vertigo caused by certain cervical pathologies. Your idea of using the pulse of the tubing is a bit late. There is a patent on just such a device where the circulating pulsation was used to reduce lylmphedema. Keep the ideas coming! Where to send the check? we can's send to a PO Box. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com http://www.hydromedonline.com/presentingthehydropulse/
terri231@knowspam.mam - 11 Sep 2003 23:04 GMT >Actually we have had brainstorming sessions with persons of various backgrounds >- homemakers, engineers, etc on Tinnitus and some worthwhile ideas have come [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >http://www.ent-consult.com >http://www.hydromedonline.com/presentingthehydropulse/ Send it to Capt. Ron and I'll tell him how to get in touch with me.
Terri
http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
terri231@knowspam.mam - 11 Sep 2003 23:07 GMT >Actually we have had brainstorming sessions with persons of various backgrounds >- homemakers, engineers, etc on Tinnitus and some worthwhile ideas have come [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >http://www.ent-consult.com >http://www.hydromedonline.com/presentingthehydropulse/ I forgot to tell you to make the check out to Committee Advancing Support for Hearing, but you can just put C.A.S.H. for short.
Terri
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Martin - 12 Sep 2003 03:34 GMT >Murray Grossan, M.D. >http://www.ent-consult.com >http://www.hydromedonline.com/presentingthehydropulse/ Dear Dr. Grossan,
I'm VERY interested in investigating any way to lessen my tinnitus levels. I have visited your site linked above and read about the Nasal Irrigator. Should I be purchasing it because it will reduce my tinnitus, or is this just an advertisement of some sort for an unrelated product that you might be profiting from? If the latter, I don't think that you should be advertizing the product on a tinnitus support group.
Thank you, Martin
Bart V - 11 Sep 2003 02:54 GMT a combo of hypnosis and counselling is often effective.
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