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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / September 2006Proof of tinnitus?
How does one prove they have tinnitus? I hear hissing, in both ears, every waking moment, even over the TV, stereo, road noise in a car, and so forth. This is pretty distracting sometimes, but I don't know how to prove it exists. The cause might be my hypertension. On very rare occasions, I also hear a high pitched tone for about 10 seconds. Is that what "ringing" is? If so, is that a part of tinnitus? _________________________ When I count my blessings, I count my dog twice. > How does one prove they have tinnitus? > > I hear hissing, in both ears, every waking moment, even over the TV, > stereo, road noise in a car, and so forth. This is pretty distracting > sometimes, but I don't know how to prove it exists. I guess it depends on what you mean by exists. I would say the hissing you are describing is tinnitus. Exists just means you hear the hissing noise. > The cause might be my hypertension. > > On very rare occasions, I also hear a high pitched tone for about 10 > seconds. Is that what "ringing" is? If so, is that a part of tinnitus? I don't think that's tinnitus. It's like a tuning fork sound that comes out of nowhere, but it goes away in a few seconds. >> On very rare occasions, I also hear a high pitched tone for about 10 >> seconds. Is that what "ringing" is? If so, is that a part of tinnitus? > >I don't think that's tinnitus. It's like a tuning fork sound that comes >out of nowhere, but it goes away in a few seconds. Yes, that's right! Do you have any idea of what causes that? It doesn't cause me any trouble: its just strange. ___________________________ Don't sweat the small stuff--and most of it is small stuff. :-) > >> On very rare occasions, I also hear a high pitched tone for about 10 > >> seconds. Is that what "ringing" is? If so, is that a part of tinnitus? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yes, that's right! Do you have any idea of what causes that? It doesn't > cause me any trouble: its just strange. I have always imagined that it is a momentary convergence of feint sound waves that sum to a high enough amplitude to trigger hearing a single, pure tone. But I have no real facts to back it up. Michael A. Ball <Guardian@wireco.net> wrote in part: >>> On very rare occasions, I also hear a high pitched tone for about 10 >>> seconds. Is that what "ringing" is? If so, is that a part of tinnitus? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Yes, that's right! Do you have any idea of what causes that? It doesn't >cause me any trouble: its just strange. It is a spasm in a tiny muscle in the middle ear that applies tension to the chain of bones between the eardrum and the oval window membrane at the entrance to the inner ear. It is very common, with or without tinnitus. Nothing to worry about.  SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > How does one prove they have tinnitus? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > _________________________ > When I count my blessings, I count my dog twice. Welcome. It certainly does sound like you have the dreaded "T" (tinnitus). There are really no objective tests, it's mostly based on subjective symptoms and, by your description, it certainly describes your situation. There are many (effective and non-effective) treatment options and I'm sure others will contribute to hopefully help you out. Mostly it's a situation of habituation (your brain gets used to the constant "noise" and over time you get to the stage where you no longer are aware of it over parts of the day). Until you get to the habituation stage there are therapies and techniques (from medications to relaxation therapies) that can be of help. As in any usenet groups there are posters of "the fringe element" but hopefully this thread will not sink into insults/flaming and instead have responses that are constructive to you. frank >Welcome. It certainly does sound like you have >the dreaded "T" (tinnitus). There are really no objective [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >not sink into insults/flaming and instead have >responses that are constructive to you. Thank you. "The dreaded "T". :-) Someone said I have the beginning stages of tinnitus; and that concerns me, because I wonder how much worse it can get. I have already seen how my brain gets used to it. For now, it is more of a fascination than a struggle, but I'd rather be without it. I take so much medicine now, that I'm not sure my doctor would be eager to prescribe another, unless it was really necessary. So far everyone has made fine, helpful responses. Insults and flames don't bother me any at all. I just consider the source and continue to march. :-) I'm fortunate, in that regard. ___________________ A dog's life is too short; their only fault really. > How does one prove they have tinnitus? > > I hear hissing, in both ears, every waking moment, even over the TV, > stereo, road noise in a car, and so forth. This is pretty distracting > sometimes, but I don't know how to prove it exists. Since you hear the hissing sound, then you do have tinnitus. I don't know if it's possible to prove it or not. Do you mean you want to prove it to someone who doesn't believe you? I know that it's sometimes hard to get people close to you to understand that it's difficult to deal with, but I don't think you can actually prove it. I could always be wrong, tho. > The cause might be my hypertension. > > On very rare occasions, I also hear a high pitched tone for about 10 > seconds. Is that what "ringing" is? If so, is that a part of tinnitus? It is a part of my tinnitus. I often get a separate, high-pitched tone that lasts about a minute or so. Most of us refer to "ringing" as the hissing sound you hear all the time. Different people have different sounds as part of their tinnitus. > _________________________ > When I count my blessings, I count my dog twice. I count my cats a couple of times, too. :) I hope that the tinnitus is not too distressing for you. Try to relax and get a lot of sleep. It can help you deal with it. Good luck! Eva >Since you hear the hissing sound, then you do have tinnitus. I don't know >if it's possible to prove it or not. Do you mean you want to prove it to >someone who doesn't believe you? I know that it's sometimes hard to get >people close to you to understand that it's difficult to deal with, but I >don't think you can actually prove it. I could always be wrong, tho. I'm about to apply for social security disability, and I want to have every complication on the table. I can prove the hypertension, hypokalemia, xerostomia, glaucoma and depression easily enough. >> The cause might be my hypertension. > >It is a part of my tinnitus. I often get a separate, high-pitched tone >that lasts about a minute or so. Most of us refer to "ringing" as the >hissing sound you hear all the time. Different people have different >sounds as part of their tinnitus. I didn't know, until this morning, that other people heard the high pitched tone. >I count my cats a couple of times, too. :) I hope that the tinnitus is >not too distressing for you. Try to relax and get a lot of sleep. It can >help you deal with it. Good luck! Thank you. I'm not very good at relaxing, or sleeping, but my hypertension meds make me extremely drowsy--even after 13 years! For now, I think the tinnitus makes it difficult to hear people who speak softly. I've been proud of my keen hearing most of my life; so, I'm not too troubled. ________________________ Percussion: a masterful mix of speed, force and finesse. > I'm about to apply for social security disability, and I want to have > every complication on the table. I can prove the hypertension, > hypokalemia, xerostomia, glaucoma and depression easily enough. Do you have adrenal problems? >>>The cause might be my hypertension. So might excess cortisol or aldosterone. >>It is a part of my tinnitus. I often get a separate, high-pitched tone >>that lasts about a minute or so. Most of us refer to "ringing" as the >>hissing sound you hear all the time. Different people have different >>sounds as part of their tinnitus. My tinnitus cranked up loudly recently as I've experienced adrenal problems. For a while, I was hypertensive and depressed by it, too. Susan Hi Michael, > Thank you. I'm not very good at relaxing, or sleeping, but my > hypertension meds make me extremely drowsy--even after 13 years! Can't you change the medicine type then? I'm aware that some types affect your potassium levels, but you may ask for a change anyway. cheers, Enno >> On very rare occasions, I also hear a high pitched tone for about 10 >> seconds. Is that what "ringing" is? If so, is that a part of tinnitus? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >hissing sound you hear all the time. Different people have different >sounds as part of their tinnitus. Wow, I sorry you hear that tone as a part of your tinnitus. The tone I hear is quite rare, but very distinct. The tone is very pure, the volume comes up to a certain level, then fades away: about like its produced electronically. Sometimes, the ringing/hissing has some very high pitched elements; and one day I wondered, "What if this noise became entwined with the tone?" Wow, I think that would be bad news! Isn't tinnitus an interesting ailment! ________________________ "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!'), but rather 'hmm....that's funny...'" - Isaac Asimov >>> On very rare occasions, I also hear a high pitched tone for about 10 >>> seconds. Is that what "ringing" is? If so, is that a part of tinnitus? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > pitched elements; and one day I wondered, "What if this noise became > entwined with the tone?" Wow, I think that would be bad news! Yeah, the first time it happened, I was afraid it would stay. But it doesn't happen very often, and it stops within a minute or two. I must confess to making a joke of it after I realized that it wouldn't be constant like my tinnitus. I'd put a finger to my ear and announce, "Yes, I am receiving your message." :) It took the people around me a little while to adjust to that joke. But sometimes you have to laugh at it and keep it in perspective with everything else in our lives. Eva > Isn't tinnitus an interesting ailment! ________________________ "The > most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new > discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!'), but rather 'hmm....that's > funny...'" - Isaac Asimov Did anybody else notice that old posts have turned up with recent dates on them? Or is it just me? :) Eva I wrote to the ATA and asked is it possible to prove that tinnitus exists and was told that a functional MRI sometimes reveals the activity of tinnitus, a regular MRi does not do the job. Richard > I wrote to the ATA and asked is it possible to prove that tinnitus > exists and was told that a functional MRI sometimes reveals the > activity of tinnitus, a regular MRi does not do the job. > Richard That only works if your T is caused by some kind of lesion. > > I wrote to the ATA and asked is it possible to prove that tinnitus > > exists and was told that a functional MRI sometimes reveals the > > activity of tinnitus, a regular MRi does not do the job. > > Richard > > That only works if your T is caused by some kind of lesion. They are coming out with some sort of PET scan; same type of brain scans that can "diagnose" mood disorders (bipolar, depression) along with ADD. At this time, I'm unaware that anyone is doing this in a clinical setting yet. frank > > > I wrote to the ATA and asked is it possible to prove that tinnitus > > > exists and was told that a functional MRI sometimes reveals the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > along with ADD. At this time, I'm unaware that anyone is doing > this in a clinical setting yet. It sounds like it could be possible, since these extreme problems affect brain electrical activity in pervasive ways, I guess. Yes, you are in the beginning stage of tinnitus. Do these 3 things: (1)Check your blood pressure (2)Do some relaxation muslce exercises (3)Talk to your doc about applying blood vessel dilating medicine. I would talk to a pharmacist about taking a tablet of gingko biloba each morning. The cause of t is very complex and often difficult to locate. By having your overall blood circulation of the body improved, you can reasonably expect that whatever that causes your t to recover too. Do the above quickly. Don't allow your t to get old. Once it gets old, it becomes more difficult to treat. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > How does one prove they have tinnitus? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > _________________________ > When I count my blessings, I count my dog twice. Michael A. Ball <Guardian@wireco.net> wrote in part: >How does one prove they have tinnitus? You mean in a court of law? Or what? It's possible to do repeat loudness matches (with an external sound). Research has shown that people without tinnitus can't pick the same loudness but those with tinnitus can. This has been used in court. There are also starting to be some brain imaging techniques that might be available soon. SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG >Michael A. Ball <Guardian@wireco.net> wrote in part: > >>How does one prove they have tinnitus? > >You mean in a court of law? Or what? Close! To the social security disability folks, if they ask for proof. >It's possible to do repeat loudness matches (with an external sound). >Research has shown that people without tinnitus can't pick the same loudness >but those with tinnitus can. This has been used in court. There are also >starting to be some brain imaging techniques that might be available soon. Thanks; that's interesting news. _________________________ Some trees are ever green. > How does one prove they have tinnitus? > > I hear hissing, in both ears, every waking moment, even over the TV, > stereo, road noise in a car, and so forth. This is pretty distracting > sometimes, but I don't know how to prove it exists. I'd say you certainly have tinnitus, but your doubt as to proof could mean you've largely accepted it and are 'habituated' to it. > On very rare occasions, I also hear a high pitched tone for about 10 > seconds. Is that what "ringing" is? If so, is that a part of tinnitus? This is very common. I've always put it down to one of our haircells becoming temporarily 'gummed up'. Steve
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