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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / August 2006Tooth filling and tinnitus
Last Friday, i went to a dental clinic to have the filling of a tooth done. The tooth is the last one on the upper right side side. Once the old filling was cleaned out completely, my ears were dead silent! I even asked to leave the dental armchair and went into the washroom to listen to the t sound but it was not there. Then once the new filling was put in, the scenario resumed back but seems to be less intense. I am wondering if anyone has had this experience. FP Hi FP, I just did a search on alta vista for words: mercury acre filling Some of the websites that show up say that there is enough mercury in one tooth filling to contaminat a 10 acre lake 70 feet deep, so much so, that the EPA would order the lake shut down from drinking, bathing, swimming, fishing and even boating. There are some commerical websites that go into detail on dental fillings. I have read that when you have an amalgam drilled it scatters mercury all in your mouth and is absorbed more-so in your body. Some dentist specialize in a safer ways to remove amalgam fillings (which are 50% mercury from what I have read). I have had three removed and replaced with non-metallic fillings. Bottom line is basically, if it's made of metal I'll keep in a toolbox, not in my mouth or body. Richard ashlin@hotmail.com wrote in part: >Hi FP, > I just did a search on alta vista for words: mercury acre filling [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >a toolbox, not in my mouth or body. >Richard A lot of web sites are nonsense. Many of the mercury sites fail (out of ignorance or in an attempt to mislead) to distringuish elemental mercury from methylmercury.  SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > Last Friday, i went to a dental clinic to have the filling of a tooth > done. The tooth is the last one on the upper right side side. Once [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > FP Was your gum injected with lignocaine as a local anaesthetic by any chance? Whenever I have a filling, mine is. Lignocaine is a highly effective suppressor of tinnitus. The last time I had my teeth done I lay in the dentist's chair, glorying in the wonderful, velvet silence. Habituation is all very well... but this was fantastic ! Steve > > Last Friday, i went to a dental clinic to have the filling of a tooth > > done. The tooth is the last one on the upper right side side. Once [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Was your gum injected with lignocaine as a local anaesthetic by any chance? No! \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > Whenever I have a filling, mine is. Lignocaine is a highly effective > suppressor of tinnitus. The last time I had my teeth done I lay in the > dentist's chair, glorying in the wonderful, velvet silence. Habituation is > all very well... but this was fantastic ! > > Steve > > > Last Friday, i went to a dental clinic to have the filling of a tooth > > > done. The tooth is the last one on the upper right side side. Once [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > No! Then why are you asking such a silly question? Obviously, no one here has shared your experience, because, unless your tooth is no longer connected to your nervous system, you have no threshold of pain. > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > Steve > > Last Friday, i went to a dental clinic to have the filling of a tooth > > done. The tooth is the last one on the upper right side side. Once [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Was your gum injected with lignocaine as a local anaesthetic by any chance? No! \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > Whenever I have a filling, mine is. Lignocaine is a highly effective > suppressor of tinnitus. The last time I had my teeth done I lay in the > dentist's chair, glorying in the wonderful, velvet silence. Habituation is > all very well... but this was fantastic ! > > Steve It was the local anaesthetic. It is a well known fact. Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ >Last Friday, i went to a dental clinic to have the filling of a tooth >done. The tooth is the last one on the upper right side side. Once [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >FP SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > It was the local anaesthetic. No! The dentist did not use any anaesthetic on me. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > It is a well known fact. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > >FP > > It was the local anaesthetic. > > No! The dentist did not use any anaesthetic on me. Unless your tooth had been rendered nerveless by a previous root canal, your nervous system does not function like the nervous systems of the rest of us here. In that case, any advice we could offer you would be pretty much useless. > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > > > >FP > > > It was the local anaesthetic. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > rest of us here. In that case, any advice we could offer you would be > pretty much useless. I think you are trying to practice your English again, Martin. The dentist simply plugged out the old materials and put in the new materials. He told me to bear with the little bit discomfort and spare myself of a needle. > > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > -- > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > > It was the local anaesthetic. > > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > materials. He told me to bear with the little bit discomfort and spare > myself of a needle. I'm sure he did. Did he tell you what material he used? > > > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > > -- > > > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Let me bring up a story as an adjunct to this post. Two weeks ago i had my teeth checked by a fancy Hong Kong dentist. His clinic is located in a porsh district in Hong Kong. The cost for the check up was US$80 and the estimated cost for 2 teeth fillings was US$600-800!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I later on had the 2 teeth fillings done inside mainland China in a government district dental clinic for US$20 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I suppose dentists are also very expensive people in the US, due to the restrict of supply of dentists by the Nazi American dental association in much the same way that the HK dentist association has been doing to us. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > Last Friday, i went to a dental clinic to have the filling of a tooth > done. The tooth is the last one on the upper right side side. Once [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > FP > Let me bring up a story as an adjunct to this post. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > in much the same way that the HK dentist association has been doing to > us. Why don't you do us all a favor and move to mainland China? If you pay $20 for a filling, you get a $20 filling. $20 doesn't come close to covering the cost of the material used to fill the hole. > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > > FP > > Let me bring up a story as an adjunct to this post. > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > $20 for a filling, you get a $20 filling. $20 doesn't come close to > covering the cost of the material used to fill the hole. I am living in mainland China and I am sending you this reply from mainland China. US$20 are for TWO fillings. There was not even a line-up in the district dentist clinic. > > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > > > > FP > > > Let me bring up a story as an adjunct to this post. > > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > US$20 are for TWO fillings. There was not even a line-up in the > district dentist clinic. Is dentistry subsidized by the state in China? What was the cost in Chines money? I think $20 is about 2000 Yuan. How much does a loaf of bread cost in Yuan? > > > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > > > > > > FP > > > > Let me bring up a story as an adjunct to this post. > > > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > What was the cost in Chines money? I think $20 is about 2000 Yuan. How > much does a loaf of bread cost in Yuan? US$20 is about 160yuan. A loaf of bread costs 5 yuan. A dentist makes about 2 to 5000 yuans a month, depending on where he is. > > > > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > > > > > > > > FP > > > > > Let me bring up a story as an adjunct to this post. > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > US$20 is about 160yuan. A loaf of bread costs 5 yuan. A dentist makes > about 2 to 5000 yuans a month, depending on where he is. Then the cost of your fillings in local currency is similar to Norway. Your fillings cost 32 times the cost of a loaf of bread. In Norway, two fillings would cost about 1000 NOK, which is about 33 times the cost of a loaf of bread. > > > > > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > FP > > Let me bring up a story as an adjunct to this post. > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > $20 for a filling, you get a $20 filling. $20 doesn't come close to > covering the cost of the material used to fill the hole. By the way, why is it more difficult for a dentist to do a filling than for a shoe-maker to mend a broker shoe? Why is it any more expensive to train up a dentist than a car mechanic? or a stock broker? Why should a dentist make so much more than a car mechanic or a waiter? or a factory worker? =========================== > > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > > > > FP On 8/19/06 5:34 PM, in article 1156034046.101983.230120@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "fyfpoon@gmail.com" >>> Let me bring up a story as an adjunct to this post. >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > should a dentist make so much more than a car mechanic or a waiter? or > a factory worker? Do you suppose it has something to do with the 8 years of schooling being expensive? Or the 2-300,000 it costs to equip an office? Or the 7,000/ month overhead? Or that the human body is somplex? > On 8/19/06 5:34 PM, in article > 1156034046.101983.230120@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "fyfpoon@gmail.com" [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Do you suppose it has something to do with the 8 years of schooling being > expensive? In some places in the world it takes 8 years while in other places 4 years. Why does it take 8 years to produce a dentist while it takes only 8 weeks to produce a shoe maker? If the curriculum required of a shoe maker were of 8 years and the pre-requisites made to be a ph.d prior to entering, it would also take 8 years to produce a shoe maker. What I am saying is it does not need that much time to produce a dentist but it is a way by which a professional body sets barrier into the profession. Or the 2-300,000 it costs to equip an office? Or the 7,000/ month > overhead? Or that the human body is somplex? Hi FP, That's interesting that anesthetic can be ruled out since none was used. You may find some useful information by clicking the link to Chapter 4 on this webpage: http://www.luminet.net/~wenonah/ext/hastobe.htm#c4 Speaking of high paid professionals, I have heard that a machinist was afforded more prestige and higher wages than a medical doctor in Russia during the Cold War. Mercury is just another toxin to contend with in the industrial revolution environment. I don't imagine you will get any hard fast answers to determine cause/effect of you dental work on your tinnitus, however, you may collect opinions that only lead to more questions. Cheers, Richard. Anyone who has studied econ101 in the US should realize the price of anything is a function of supply and demand. You can have dentists produced in 2, 4, 6 or 8 years and I don't think those from 8 years training are necessarily better for simple dental operation than those from a 4 years school. I think it depends on the individual dentist. If you find a good one, stick to him. I have found a very good one in China and i stick to him for my health and financial pocket as well. I think the American people are exploited by the Nazi American medical monopoly there. It is a shame that one almost has to go bankrupt for a hospital treatment if one does not have medical insurance. > Hi FP, > That's interesting that anesthetic can be ruled out since none was [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Cheers, > Richard. > > > Let me bring up a story as an adjunct to this post. > > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > should a dentist make so much more than a car mechanic or a waiter? or > a factory worker? Those are revealing questions. When you find the answers, you will obviously have learned a lot. I just noticed you wrote "government district dental clinic." Do you mean dentistry in China is socialized? ie, does the government subidize dentists? > =========================== > > > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > > > > > FP > > > > Let me bring up a story as an adjunct to this post. > > > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > mean dentistry in China is socialized? ie, does the government subidize > dentists? There are both government and private doctors and clinics in China but most people don't trust the private ones. The government set up clinics and employs college grads from dental schools. Years ago when the Chinese were poor, those dental clinics looked like slaughter houses. These days, with the increasing revenue into the state treasury, many government clinics are as deluxe as the Hong Kong ones. The dentists are using equipments and materials imported from Sweden. As a matter of fact, I have seen many foreigners come here to take advantage of the service. Why should a dentist make more than a shoe maker, or a machinist, or a truck driver? > > =========================== > > > > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > > > > > > > FP > > > > > Let me bring up a story as an adjunct to this post. > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > Why should a dentist make more than a shoe maker, or a machinist, or a > truck driver? So your comparison was deliberately false. You didn't include the subsidized cost of the fillings. I've come to expect this kind of deceptive argument from you, so I am not surprised, but the cost of your fillings in China is quite similar to the cost of fillings in Norway. so you can stop bragging. > > > =========================== > > > > > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > FP > > > > > > Let me bring up a story as an adjunct to this post. > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > fillings in China is quite similar to the cost of fillings in Norway. so > you can stop bragging. No, even at that low price level charged, the government dental clinic is still able to make a profit. The government provides the building, equipments, etc. but the clinic still operates on a profit/loss basis. This is a far cry from your Norwegian practice where the government actually subsidizes the patients for the dentists. No, this is just how much is charged in China and at that price clinic still makes a good profit. Have you seen one of those state dental clinics in China? The small one operates in communty halls while the large ones operate like a super market chain. When you go in, you get 'processed'. Many foreigners come to China for dental operation and they don'gt pay any more than the local Chinese patients. So stop arguing and start recognizing that there are times, and this is one of those times, the Chinese can do a better job than the Europeans. > > > > =========================== > > > > > > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FP > > > > > > > Let me bring up a story as an adjunct to this post. > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > is still able to make a profit. The government provides the building, > equipments, etc. but the clinic still operates on a profit/loss basis. No, it doesn't. The building and equipment are one of the major costs of operating a dental clinic. Another major cost is medical insurance, which, I assume, dentists don't have to pay in China. So your comparison is false. Furthermore, the standard way the system operates in the US is for people to have high deductible dental insurance, which means your claim that fillings cost $600 to $800 there is also false. You still haven't explained how the dentist in China pays the cost of the filling material. > This is a far cry from your Norwegian practice where the government > actually subsidizes the patients for the dentists. I don't know about that. I don't think dentistry is subsidized in Norway. Sorry. > No, this is just > how much is charged in China and at that price clinic still makes a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > recognizing that there are times, and this is one of those times, the > Chinese can do a better job than the Europeans. No, they don't. The proof is in the pudding. We will get your report in ten or twenty years on how your filling is holding up. > > > > > =========================== > > > > > > > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FP > > > > > > > > Let me bring up a story as an adjunct to this post. > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > people to have high deductible dental insurance, which means your claim > that fillings cost $600 to $800 there is also false. For 2 teeth operated in that deluxe office in HK. If you go to a side street in HK, it may cost less. I do NOT know how much it costs to have 1 filling done in the US. > You still haven't explained how the dentist in China pays the cost of > the filling material. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FP > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > <1156033194.988586.101310@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] > street in HK, it may cost less. I do NOT know how much it costs to > have 1 filling done in the US. Hong Kong is part of China now. > > You still haven't explained how the dentist in China pays the cost of > > the filling material. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FP On 8/19/06 5:24 PM, in article burning.giraffe-B7288B.02242620082006@isp-text.ams.giganews.com, "Martin Smith" <burning.giraffe@meltingclock.bis> wrote: >> Let me bring up a story as an adjunct to this post. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Yes, you are right, dentists should work for nothing. The 200,000 -300,000 it costs to set up a dental practice should be paid for by the dentist from a rich wife or father. He should be independently wealthy so he can pay the 7,000/month overhead so he can enjoy not charging anything to his patients. Or, let him work 24 hrs/day 7 days a week so he can afford to charge each patient 1/3 less! > On 8/19/06 5:24 PM, in article > burning.giraffe-B7288B.02242620082006@isp-text.ams.giganews.com, "Martin [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Or, let him work 24 hrs/day 7 days a week so he can afford to charge each > patient 1/3 less! That is where government intervention should set in. Frist of all, the government should subsidize the production of dentists. Secondly, the government should liberalize the dental association so that the barriers into the profession are substantially reduced. When more dentists come to the market, more will not be able to set up expensive clinics and as a result are forced to make a wage in government clinics. This is what happens in China. There are so many dentists around that most prefer to work for the government clinics rather than setting up one's practice. They make just a wage to live on and there are no line-ups at the clinics. Patients get benefited. Many Americans come frequently from the rich USA to poor China for their dental work and they are very satisfied. They discover it costs less to come here for a tour plus a dental operation than to have just a simple operation in LA or NY. We pity the Americans, especially the poor folks who are on a meager pension! Rich Americans like you can afford anything. > > On 8/19/06 5:24 PM, in article > > burning.giraffe-B7288B.02242620082006@isp-text.ams.giganews.com, "Martin [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > We pity the Americans, especially the poor folks who are on a meager > pension! Rich Americans like you can afford anything. You are comparing apples and oranges, and therefore your comparison is useless. The cost of your fillings in China is comparable to the cost of fillings in Norway. > > > On 8/19/06 5:24 PM, in article > > > burning.giraffe-B7288B.02242620082006@isp-text.ams.giganews.com, "Martin [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > useless. The cost of your fillings in China is comparable to the cost of > fillings in Norway. How long is the line-up in Norway for a dental operation? In China it is about a couple of hours at the most in the best clinic and in smaller clinics almost instantly. In the west coast of Canada the line-up is months under the 'social' program and many patients who can't wait have to go and visit private clinic. > > > > On 8/19/06 5:24 PM, in article > > > > burning.giraffe-B7288B.02242620082006@isp-text.ams.giganews.com, [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > How long is the line-up in Norway for a dental operation? There isn't any lineup. > > > On 8/19/06 5:24 PM, in article > > > burning.giraffe-B7288B.02242620082006@isp-text.ams.giganews.com, "Martin [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > useless. The cost of your fillings in China is comparable to the cost of > fillings in Norway. How long is the line-up in Norway for a dental operation? In China it is about a couple of hours at the most in the best clinic and in smaller clinics almost instantly. In the west coast of Canada the line-up is months under the 'social' program and many patients who can't wait have to go and visit private clinic. > > > > On 8/19/06 5:24 PM, in article > > > > burning.giraffe-B7288B.02242620082006@isp-text.ams.giganews.com, [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > How long is the line-up in Norway for a dental operation? There is no lineup. > > > On 8/19/06 5:24 PM, in article > > > burning.giraffe-B7288B.02242620082006@isp-text.ams.giganews.com, "Martin [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > useless. The cost of your fillings in China is comparable to the cost of > fillings in Norway. How long is the line-up in Norway for a dental operation? In China it is about a couple of hours at the most in the best clinic and in smaller clinics almost instantly. In the west coast of Canada the line-up is months under the 'social' program and many patients who can't wait have to go and visit private clinic. > > > > On 8/19/06 5:24 PM, in article > > > > burning.giraffe-B7288B.02242620082006@isp-text.ams.giganews.com, [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > How long is the line-up in Norway for a dental operation? There isn't any lineup. > > > > > On 8/19/06 5:24 PM, in article > > > > > burning.giraffe-B7288B.02242620082006@isp-text.ams.giganews.com, [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > There isn't any lineup. In the western part of Canada, which is where I came from, the socialist health care system there is bankrupt! For a knee cap replacement, the waiting line is about 18 months. Therefore, many patients would rather spend their own money and go down to the capitalist US and spend US$20,000 for an operation. Canada is a sub-America in the making. Their problem is that they have not copied enough of Europe. Thus then again I don't know enough about Norway to say anything. The North Americans like to think of Europe as a land of socialism with government bureacracy and inefficiency....like France in their description. > > > > > > On 8/19/06 5:24 PM, in article > > > > > > burning.giraffe-B7288B.02242620082006@isp-text.ams.giganews.com, [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > capitalist US and spend US$20,000 for an operation. Canada is a > sub-America in the making. And yet, few Canadians want to dismantle their health care system. > Their problem is that they have not copied > enough of Europe. Thus then again I don't know enough about Norway to > say anything. The North Americans like to think of Europe as a land of > socialism with government bureacracy and inefficiency....like France in > their description. > > > > > > > On 8/19/06 5:24 PM, in article > > > > > > > burning.giraffe-B7288B.02242620082006@isp-text.ams.giganews.com, [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > > And yet, few Canadians want to dismantle their health care system. What are they going to replace their current system with? With the one from China where anyone without $$$$$$$ is allowed to bleed to death in front of the hospital, or with the one from the US where anyone without insurance has to go bankrupt for being hospitalized... while doctors like Murray is flying in his private jets doing bio-feedback exercise...and the second rate practitioners are supporting sinfully large mortgages by just telling their clients to 'live with it'? . > > Their problem is that they have not copied > > enough of Europe. Thus then again I don't know enough about Norway to > > say anything. The North Americans like to think of Europe as a land of > > socialism with government bureacracy and inefficiency....like France in > > their description. > > > > > > > > On 8/19/06 5:24 PM, in article > > > > > > > > burning.giraffe-B7288B.02242620082006@isp-text.ams.giganews.com, [quoted text clipped - 107 lines] > > What are they going to replace their current system with? They aren't going to replace it because they want to keep it. It just needs tuning, as do all complex systems. > With the one > from China where anyone without $$$$$$$ is allowed to bleed to death in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > exercise...and the second rate practitioners are supporting sinfully > large mortgages by just telling their clients to 'live with it'? . I understand you don't like doctors. I think the reason is that you have ceded too much authority to yours. > > > > > > > > > On 8/19/06 5:24 PM, in article > > > > > > > > > burning.giraffe-B7288B.02242620082006@isp-text.ams.giganews.com, [quoted text clipped - 121 lines] > I understand you don't like doctors. I think the reason is that you have > ceded too much authority to yours. Not true...i used to behave like a good boy in front of doctors until this thing named tinnitus came along and i was unable to behave like a good boy in front of people who know less about this thing than i do. > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > <1156052787.392030.32160@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 146 lines] > this thing named tinnitus came along and i was unable to behave like a > good boy in front of people who know less about this thing than i do. Then why do you complain about western doctors? Tinnitus is not a disease. It's a symptom. > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > > <1156052787.392030.32160@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 148 lines] > > Then why do you complain about western doctors? I complain about *some* western doctors and *some* non-western doctors. Tinnitus is not a > disease. It's a symptom. What is the relationship of this part of your answer to my reply above? > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > <1156080482.264214.287830@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 183 lines] > > What is the relationship of this part of your answer to my reply above? It comes after my answer to your reply above. > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > > <1156080482.264214.287830@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 185 lines] > > It comes after my answer to your reply above. It comes after you have nothing else to say except Norwegian. > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > <1156180251.591033.187860@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 226 lines] > > It comes after you have nothing else to say except Norwegian. That's right. Tinnitus is a symptom, not a disease.
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