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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / August 2006BETAHISTINE and FLUNARIZINE HYDROCHLORIDE
lately I have read about the symptoms suffered by T patients in the form of roaring sound at the middle of the night. I went through that before. The roaring sound, which started and increased in volume while i was asleep, woke me up at mig-night and prevented me from sleeping any further. It was a tormenting experience! Against this background, my doctor recommended me to start with FLUNARIZINE HYDROCHLORIDE first and later add on BETAHISTINE. In the latter stage of the development, I took one tablet of FLUNARIZINE HYDROCHLORIDE in the morning and one BETAHISTINE before bedtime. Both went to soften my T sound while BETAHISTINE made me very drowsy in addition. I experienced NO side-effects from either of these two and none of them is addictive. Having good sleep is extremely important to T patients during the on-set. Good sleep helps the body recover from whatever that causes the T in the first place. FP > lately I have read about the symptoms suffered by T patients in the > form of roaring sound at the middle of the night. I went through that [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > addition. I experienced NO side-effects from either of these two and > none of them is addictive. You experienced no side effects, but the long term effects of Flunarizine are not known, but it is known to cause motor disturbances and/or depression. > Having good sleep is extremely important to T patients during the > on-set. Good sleep helps the body recover from whatever that causes > the T in the first place. > > FP > > lately I have read about the symptoms suffered by T patients in the > > form of roaring sound at the middle of the night. I went through that [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Flunarizine are not known, but it is known to cause motor disturbances > and/or depression. You don't use flunarizine over the longer term. 6 months max. I think 6 months is long enough to allow for the initial habituation process. I was on betahistine for a year. ========================== > > Having good sleep is extremely important to T patients during the > > on-set. Good sleep helps the body recover from whatever that causes > > the T in the first place. > > > > FP > > > lately I have read about the symptoms suffered by T patients in the > > > form of roaring sound at the middle of the night. I went through that [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > 6 months is long enough to allow for the initial habituation process. > I was on betahistine for a year. But you are advising people to use a drug that is known to cause Parkinson's like motor problems *and* depression. That's a pretty dangerous drug. > > > > lately I have read about the symptoms suffered by T patients in the > > > > form of roaring sound at the middle of the night. I went through that [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Parkinson's like motor problems *and* depression. That's a pretty > dangerous drug. How do you know? Every drug is known to cause something. I experienced none of that. It is the individual thing but for addictive drugs the sample is large enough to be highly careful of its use. > > > > > lately I have read about the symptoms suffered by T patients in the > > > > > form of roaring sound at the middle of the night. I went through [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > none of that. It is the individual thing but for addictive drugs the > sample is large enough to be highly careful of its use. You know by looking in the Physician's Desk Reference, or by looking at the website of the manufacturer, or by reading consumer reports, or other ways. The sample is large enough that depression and motor problems are warned about specifically. > > > > > > lately I have read about the symptoms suffered by T patients in the > > > > > > form of roaring sound at the middle of the night. I went through [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > other ways. The sample is large enough that depression and motor > problems are warned about specifically. One should not drive under the influence of betahistine. If the doc had not advised his patients about this drug, he would be a damned fool. > > > > > > > lately I have read about the symptoms suffered by T patients in > > > > > > > the [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > One should not drive under the influence of betahistine. If the doc > had not advised his patients about this drug, he would be a damned fool. What does that make you? You advised the use of a drug that is known to cause depression and Parkinson's-like problems, but you didn't include any warning whatsoever. And your excuse was "I experienced none of that." > > > > > > > > lately I have read about the symptoms suffered by T patients in > > > > > > > > the [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > cause depression and Parkinson's-like problems, but you didn't include > any warning whatsoever. And your excuse was "I experienced none of that." Do the patients need to talk to their doctors first before taking any advice from online into action? Your assumption about the drug causing this and that is wrong for all patients concerned. Every drug produces side effects in some but not the majority of patients. > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > <1155688326.773440.92910@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > this and that is wrong for all patients concerned. Every drug produces > side effects in some but not the majority of patients. "Your assumption about the drug causing this and that is wrong for all patients concerned." I made no such assumption. I said nothing like that. Also, that statement is false. The drug *is* known to cause depression and motor problems, but your statement actually says the drug causes no problems for any patients. You have accused me and others here of not understanding English. I have said this before: One of us doesn't understand English. > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > > <1155688326.773440.92910@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > understanding English. I have said this before: One of us doesn't > understand English. Regardless of your level of Danish, the fact has remained that not all patients get the side effects and the market demand for a certain med indicates only the minority of the patients do. Coffee is also known to have caused financial bankrupcy to the those who are very poor and very addicted to coffee but does that mean people should quite drinking coffee? \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > <1155719561.979544.107070@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] > patients get the side effects and the market demand for a certain med > indicates only the minority of the patients do. You are simply raising red herrings now. Danish has nothing to do with anything here. You inject it to try to confuse people. And now you are implying someone claimed all users are afflicted with negative side effects. No one made such a claim. Again you inject this to confuse people. And market demand is irrelevant. The drug has undergone rigorous testing, and the expected rates for these serious side effect problems are known. Your posting about the drug, exhorting people to use it, simply fails to warn people of the real dangers involved. You do this quite often, and then you excuse yourself by saying you never had any side effects yourself. And yet you complained here bitterly that western doctors prescribed you addictive drugs, and you became addicted, despite the fact that many people use those drugs successfully without becoming addicted. When a drug works for you, you advocate its use without providing any warning, but when a drug doesn't work for you, you complain bitterly about western doctors not telling you things. you wrote:"The drug has undergone rigorous testing, and the expected rates for these serious side effect problems are known. ..." Now you are telling me that you know more about the drug than the doc who prescribed it to me. Are you a doc? \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > > > > > > > > In article > > > > > > > > > <1155719561.979544.107070@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 113 lines] > providing any warning, but when a drug doesn't work for you, you > complain bitterly about western doctors not telling you things. > you wrote:"The drug has undergone rigorous > testing, and the expected rates for these serious side effect problems > are known. ..." > > Now you are telling me that you know more about the drug than the doc > who prescribed it to me. Are you a doc? I said no such thing. Stop changing the subject. > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > [quoted text clipped - 137 lines] > > providing any warning, but when a drug doesn't work for you, you > > complain bitterly about western doctors not telling you things. > > you wrote:"The drug has undergone rigorous > > testing, and the expected rates for these serious side effect problems [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I said no such thing. Stop changing the subject. You are obviously generalizing. The med was prescribed to me by my doc and I have used it and experienced no side effect that you claimed. Thus the side-effects you claimed to come from the med does not apply to everybody. Only fools like you would take a piece of advice online and use it without first of all having a consultation with a certified physician. What are you trying to argue? \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before. The roaring sound, which started and [quoted text clipped - 119 lines] > > > providing any warning, but when a drug doesn't work for you, you > > > complain bitterly about western doctors not telling you things. > > > you wrote:"The drug has undergone rigorous > > > testing, and the expected rates for these serious side effect problems [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > You are obviously generalizing. The med was prescribed to me by my doc > and I have used it and experienced no side effect that you claimed. But you used another drug, also prescribed for you by your doc, and you became addicted. And you complained bitterly about that and complained about western doctors being idiots, and you "generalized" and said that drug shouldn't be used. So it seems you talk out both sides of your mouth. > Thus the side-effects you claimed to come from the med does not apply > to everybody. Nobody said anything of the kind except you. You complained about "western doctors." You complained about addictive drugs. You blame your own bad luck on others, and you don't include appropriate warnings for the drugs you have good luck with, despite the fact they are just as dangerous, maybe even more so, in different ways. > Only fools like you would take a piece of advice online > and use it without first of all having a consultation with a certified > physician. What are you trying to argue? I have explained my argument every time. I have just explained it again. > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > [quoted text clipped - 142 lines] > > > > providing any warning, but when a drug doesn't work for you, you > > > > complain bitterly about western doctors not telling you things. > > > > you wrote:"The drug has undergone rigorous > > > > testing, and the expected rates for these serious side effect problems [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > about western doctors being idiots, and you "generalized" and said that > drug shouldn't be used. It was Ativan, and Ativan is well known for its addictive properties as opposed to the other two drugs. There is a difference between drinking coffee and drinking poison too. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > So it seems you talk out both sides of your mouth. > [quoted text clipped - 159 lines] > > > > > providing any warning, but when a drug doesn't work for you, you > > > > > complain bitterly about western doctors not telling you things. > > > > > you wrote:"The drug has undergone rigorous > > > > > testing, and the expected rates for these serious side effect [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > opposed to the other two drugs. There is a difference between drinking > coffee and drinking poison too. Flunarizine isn't addictive. That's why it isn't well known for its addictive properties. But, despite Ativan being well known for its addictive properties, you didn't know about them, and you complained bitterly when you became addicted. But most people who use Ativan don't become addicted. Most people who use Flunarizine don't become depressed or get Parkinson's-like motor problems, but Flunarizine is well known for its depression and Parkinson's symptoms properties. Apparently you didn't know that either. On balance, I suppose those who have suffered both addiction and depression would much rather risk addiction than depression. I can imagine nothing worse than depression. > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > [quoted text clipped - 190 lines] > > > > > > providing any warning, but when a drug doesn't work for you, you > > > > > > complain bitterly about western doctors not telling you things. You wrote:" But most people who use Ativan don't become addicted. " Document this first before going any further with your Danish. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > > > > > you wrote:"The drug has undergone rigorous > > > > > > testing, and the expected rates for these serious side effect [quoted text clipped - 227 lines] > > > > > > > providing any warning, but when a drug doesn't work for you, you > > > > > > > complain bitterly about western doctors not telling you things. > You wrote:" But most people who use Ativan don't become addicted. " > > Document this first before going any further with your Danish. I'll ask you to document the opposite. Your claim is that most people who use Ativan correctly become addicted to it. Document that. > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > [quoted text clipped - 273 lines] > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > complain bitterly about western doctors not telling you things. |
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