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todddavid - 06 Aug 2006 10:28 GMT
Hi, I have been having this ringing in my right ear and its been bothering
me for awhile now I have been taking celexa a anti-depressent for panic
attacks this was before these ringing noises started I think the pills
might have something to do with it but my docter doesn't think so does
anybody have any opinons on this and some insight thanks.
Elly Byrne - 06 Aug 2006 21:51 GMT
Lots of information here.

http://eebee.net/TinnitusIsaPainintheNeck.shtml

Elly's Tinnitus Resources
http://eebee.net/

>Hi, I have been having this ringing in my right ear and its been bothering
>me for awhile now I have been taking celexa a anti-depressent for panic
>attacks this was before these ringing noises started I think the pills
>might have something to do with it but my docter doesn't think so does
>anybody have any opinons on this and some insight thanks.

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ferdie - 30 Sep 2006 03:28 GMT
> Lots of information here.
>
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>>might have something to do with it but my docter doesn't think so does
>>anybody have any opinons on this and some insight thanks.
jga.socal - 07 Aug 2006 16:52 GMT
> Hi, I have been having this ringing in my right ear and its been bothering
> me for awhile now I have been taking celexa a anti-depressent for panic
> attacks this was before these ringing noises started I think the pills
> might have something to do with it but my docter doesn't think so does
> anybody have any opinons on this and some insight thanks.

Todd, on behalf of dozens of excellent online Tinnitus resources that
don't plug their sites in this newgroup, and, if it's resources you are
looking for as opposed to a direct answer to your question, please
start at the American Tinnitus Assoc (http://ata.org)  You are 100%
more likely to get opinions from experts there than from, well....other
places.  If you are lucky, someone in this newsgroup has been taken
Celexa and can answer your question.  My 86 year old Dad was just
prescribed it in a very low dose, but he doesnt have Tinnitus.
Also, you might search the archives of this newsgroup for Celexa.  This
ability is provided in the Google groups version of this ng.  I dont
know if your ng reader has this feature.  Good luck.  If and when you
find an answer, please post back here.  Thanx.
Jim
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 11 Aug 2006 06:31 GMT
If you stop the pill, your will find the answer to your question.  I
interpret taking pills for panic attacks as a symptom that something
has gone wrong with the nerve.  Take a tablet of gingko biloba to help
smooth out the blood circulation in your head and see if it helps your
nerve.  You never know, you may have your T sound softened by gingko.

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> Hi, I have been having this ringing in my right ear and its been bothering
> me for awhile now I have been taking celexa a anti-depressent for panic
> attacks this was before these ringing noises started I think the pills
> might have something to do with it but my docter doesn't think so does
> anybody have any opinons on this and some insight thanks.
Martin Smith - 11 Aug 2006 06:42 GMT
> If you stop the pill, your will find the answer to your question.  I
> interpret taking pills for panic attacks as a symptom that something
> has gone wrong with the nerve.  Take a tablet of gingko biloba to help
> smooth out the blood circulation in your head and see if it helps your
> nerve.  You never know, you may have your T sound softened by gingko.

The only thing that can be wrong with "the nerve" is that you don't have
enough of it. Panic attacks are not a symptom of lack of nerve.

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> > Hi, I have been having this ringing in my right ear and its been bothering
> > me for awhile now I have been taking celexa a anti-depressent for panic
> > attacks this was before these ringing noises started I think the pills
> > might have something to do with it but my docter doesn't think so does
> > anybody have any opinons on this and some insight thanks.
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 11 Aug 2006 15:10 GMT
> > If you stop the pill, your will find the answer to your question.  I
> > interpret taking pills for panic attacks as a symptom that something
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> The only thing that can be wrong with "the nerve" is that you don't have
> enough of it. Panic attacks are not a symptom of lack of nerve.

Whatever the reason, an improved blood circulation in the head can do a
lot of good unless you come from a school of medical thought that
belongs to the celestial world.

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> > > Hi, I have been having this ringing in my right ear and its been bothering
> > > me for awhile now I have been taking celexa a anti-depressent for panic
> > > attacks this was before these ringing noises started I think the pills
> > > might have something to do with it but my docter doesn't think so does
> > > anybody have any opinons on this and some insight thanks.
Martin Smith - 11 Aug 2006 17:18 GMT
> > > If you stop the pill, your will find the answer to your question.  I
> > > interpret taking pills for panic attacks as a symptom that something
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> lot of good unless you come from a school of medical thought that
> belongs to the celestial world.

Improved blood circulation in the head can do some good if you have
restricted blood circulation in the head. I think that would be a rare
problem. I think panic attacks are more common, and they are related to
an imbalance of neurotransmitters, which aren't in the blood.

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> > > > might have something to do with it but my docter doesn't think so does
> > > > anybody have any opinons on this and some insight thanks.
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 12 Aug 2006 03:10 GMT
> > > > If you stop the pill, your will find the answer to your question.  I
> > > > interpret taking pills for panic attacks as a symptom that something
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> problem. I think panic attacks are more common, and they are related to
> an imbalance of neurotransmitters, which aren't in the blood.

An improved blood circulation can help restore the imbalance of
neurotransmitters.

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Martin Smith - 12 Aug 2006 05:16 GMT
> > > > > If you stop the pill, your will find the answer to your question.  I
> > > > > interpret taking pills for panic attacks as a symptom that something
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> An improved blood circulation can help restore the imbalance of
> neurotransmitters.

I don't think so. But even your medical opinion is correct, icreasing
blood flow to the brain would only help if restricted blood flow to the
brain is the problem, in which case, you have a far more serious medical
problem to deal with than tinnitus.
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 12 Aug 2006 06:16 GMT
> > > > > > If you stop the pill, your will find the answer to your question.  I
> > > > > > interpret taking pills for panic attacks as a symptom that something
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> brain is the problem, in which case, you have a far more serious medical
> problem to deal with than tinnitus.

Are you saying that improved blood circulation to the brain is useless
unless something has gone wrong first?
Martin Smith - 12 Aug 2006 10:11 GMT
> > > > > > > If you stop the pill, your will find the answer to your question.
> > > > > > >  I
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> Are you saying that improved blood circulation to the brain is useless
> unless something has gone wrong first?

I said increasing blood flow to the brain is useless unless the flow of
blood to the brain is insufficient for some medical reason. For example,
if you drink a glass of clean water when you are dehydrated, it will
improve your body function. If you drink 1000 glasses of clean water,
you will die.

The brain cells can only use so much oxygen and nutrients. There is only
so much CO2 and waste to carry away. We have evolved to have circulatory
systems that operate within this necessary and sufficient range. Sending
more oxygen and nutrients to the brain than the brain cells can use is
at best wasteful. It is like taking more vitamin C than you need. The
excess gets pissed away.
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 12 Aug 2006 17:32 GMT
As you get older, you do need improved blood circulation.  It is not
absolutely necessary but helps.  Also, what happens in the head is so
complex and is beyond many controlled studies are capable of.

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> > > > > > > > If you stop the pill, your will find the answer to your question.
> > > > > > > >  I
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> at best wasteful. It is like taking more vitamin C than you need. The
> excess gets pissed away.
Martin Smith - 12 Aug 2006 19:09 GMT
> As you get older, you do need improved blood circulation.  It is not
> absolutely necessary but helps.  Also, what happens in the head is so
> complex and is beyond many controlled studies are capable of.

That means taking gingko bilboa is just as likely to hurt as it is to
help. First you should find out if your blood circulation is impaired.
If it is, you should find out how to fix the problem causing the
impairment.

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> > at best wasteful. It is like taking more vitamin C than you need. The
> > excess gets pissed away.
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 13 Aug 2006 14:36 GMT
> > As you get older, you do need improved blood circulation.  It is not
> > absolutely necessary but helps.  Also, what happens in the head is so
> > complex and is beyond many controlled studies are capable of.
>
> That means taking gingko bilboa is just as likely to hurt as it is to
> help.

Yes, if you take too much of it or too much of anything.  I have been
taking it for over a year now and it has not hurt me at all.

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First you should find out if your blood circulation is impaired.
> If it is, you should find out how to fix the problem causing the
> impairment.
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> > > at best wasteful. It is like taking more vitamin C than you need. The
> > > excess gets pissed away.
Martin Smith - 13 Aug 2006 20:37 GMT
> > > As you get older, you do need improved blood circulation.  It is not
> > > absolutely necessary but helps.  Also, what happens in the head is so
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> Yes, if you take too much of it or too much of anything.  I have been
> taking it for over a year now and it has not hurt me at all.

Well that proves it then. If one person can take it without misfortune,
it must be safe for everyone in the same dosage.

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> > > > at best wasteful. It is like taking more vitamin C than you need. The
> > > > excess gets pissed away.
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 14 Aug 2006 05:14 GMT
> > > > As you get older, you do need improved blood circulation.  It is not
> > > > absolutely necessary but helps.  Also, what happens in the head is so
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> Well that proves it then. If one person can take it without misfortune,
> it must be safe for everyone in the same dosage.

my reply to you is meant to say that while your reply insinuates any
amount is dangerous.

FP
Martin Smith - 14 Aug 2006 05:17 GMT
> > > > > As you get older, you do need improved blood circulation.  It is not
> > > > > absolutely necessary but helps.  Also, what happens in the head is so
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>
> FP

For some people it is. We have already discussed that in other threads.
Murray Grossan - 14 Aug 2006 16:34 GMT
On 8/13/06 9:17 PM, in article
burning.giraffe-CC223D.06172714082006@isp-text.ams.giganews.com, "Martin
Smith" <burning.giraffe@meltingclock.bis> wrote:

>>>>>> As you get older, you do need improved blood circulation.  It is not
>>>>>> absolutely necessary but helps.  Also, what happens in the head is so
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>
> For some people it is. We have already discussed that in other threads.
Actually the problems with Gingko are not so much from Gingko, its adding
the aspirin and other products that add to its blood properties that is
often the problem. Often patients don't comprehend that Aleve and Aspirin
are drugs.
Murray Grossan - 15 Aug 2006 18:39 GMT
Vol. 11, No. 5, 2006

Consequences of Suppressing Thoughts about Tinnitus and the Effects of
Cognitive Distraction on Brain Activity in Tinnitus Patients
Gerhard Anderssona, c, Linda Jürisb, c, Elisabeth Classonb, Mats
Fredriksonb, d, Tomas Furmarkb, d

aDepartment of Behavioural Sciences, Linköping University, Linköping and
bDepartment of Psychology, Uppsala University,
cDepartment of Audiology, Uppsala University Hospital, and
dUppsala Imanet AB, Uppsala University Hospital, Uppsala, Sweden

Audiology and Neurotology 2006;11:301-309 (DOI: 10.1159/000094460)

 

Tinnitus is the perception of sound in the absence of any appropriate
external stimulus. Based on the clinical observation that tinnitus patients
may distract themselves from their sounds, we performed an experimental test
on the effects of suppressing thoughts about tinnitus with 45 tinnitus
patients, to systematically evaluate the immediate consequences of
suppressing thought vs. attending to tinnitus. Suppression instructions
tended to lead to a subsequent decrease in tinnitus-related thoughts,
whereas attention to tinnitus resulted in an increase in such thoughts. No
effects were seen in a control group who neither suppressed nor attended to
their tinnitus. In an independent positron emission tomography study of
cerebral blood flow with 8 patients we found that silent backward counting
('serial sevens test') led to a decrease in neural activity in auditory
cortex, as well as perceived decrease of tinnitus loudness and annoyance.
Thus, distraction that altered the tinnitus experience seemed to attenuate
auditory cortex activity.

Copyright © 2006 S. Karger AG, Basel

In summary, he found that counting backwards was a good source of
distraction and that attending to other activities was beneficial.
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 16 Aug 2006 01:07 GMT
> Vol. 11, No. 5, 2006

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> In summary, he found that counting backwards was a good source of
> distraction and that attending to other activities was beneficial.

And making love is the best................and the one next in line is
fist fighting or boxing...and football....and getting drunk.....

I can go on and on with the list without doing any controlled
experiment.  Unfortunately 2 years ago i was suffering from a mixture
of tinnitus and an unknown nerve ill.  While the sound was well
tolerated, the somatic discomfort was not.  NO doctor except an
acupuncturist at that time was able to release me from my symptoms.
None of the doctors, trained from pretigious medical schools, paid
attention to the possible existence of an illness that existed
alongside with tinnitus.  My view is either these pretigious schools
are not that pretigious at all or most doctors as a whole are very dumb
people...to say the least.
Martin Smith - 16 Aug 2006 07:53 GMT
> > Vol. 11, No. 5, 2006
>
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> are not that pretigious at all or most doctors as a whole are very dumb
> people...to say the least.

Or maybe you didn't work with any of those doctors to find the real
problem.

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