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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / September 2006Heavy Metals and Tinnitus
I am interested to see others experiences having worked around or with metals and later being afflicted with tinnitus. I have reseached a number of web sites about heavy metal toxicty and the metal lead can cause hearing loss and disturbances. It accumulates in brain tissue causing cell damage and strutural changes in the brain. I have a number of other physical ailments including movement disorders ( dystonia) and have been thru the wringer with psychiatric diagnoses ( labels). Many of the psycho active psychiatric drugs contain metals in the ingredients. The brain being an electical neuro trasmitter and receiver (among what ever else) would certainly be affected or changed by the addition of metals, (electricity taking the path of least resistance). I know a small geranium crystal radio reciever is capable of producing an aduible output with no additonal power source. Toxified brains may be capable of the same, just simple speculation. Have many suffers attempted to be genuinely tested for heavy metal contamination? I have read that virtually everyone in the USA born before the 1970's or 80's has high lead deposits. Lead solder on food cans was only banned in the USA in 1995. I may also add I have experienced some really terrible skin rashes ( about the best diagnosis I could get) involving head, neck throat..other areas...which could be a symptom of heavy metal toxicity. Maybe this thread will provide more insight into this possiblity. Richard >>Lead solder on food cans was only banned in the USA in 1995. This is very interesting! I think I will bring this issue up at my ENT appt. I also have at least one child with an autism spectrum disorder (some think this is associated with lead/heavy metal issues) and two others that could be suspected to have some sort of ASD (long story). Sometimes maternal exposure is an issue. Anyway, I think I shall do some more research on this...when I was a kid we were very "working class" and ate TONS of canned food! Thanks for posting this! D I have been involuntarily locked up in nuthouses 4 times in my 52 years of life. With my ears ringing unmercifully, at times and being forced to take psychiatric drugs and given many different "diagnoses" or labels. I have come to the conculsion I do no trust the "mental health" system and I have joined the Citizens Commision on Human Rights. I invite others to join or contribute to them. http://www.cchr.org also for victims another organization is: http://www.mindfreedom.org If a person has heavy metal toxicity I would strongly advise that you not attempt to remove them without really knowing what to do because I have read that if done improperly it can do more damage. Richard I also want to add that during my life I have had an extremely thick whitish coating on my tongue which was probably candidiasis. Apparently the medical community has not tied in tinnitus and candidiasis with lead poisoning or other metal toxicities. My iron contnet is also too high. I worked in the ship repair industry and got a mega dose of everything. Richard Anyone interested is reviewing the lead hazard levels and other pollution factors in locations within the United States can click here: http://www.scorecard.org Here is the link to a laboratory that analyzes urine for toxic metals. I went thru a doctors office that uses this laboratory and I'm not sure how they handle tests for private individuals. http://www.doctorsdata.com/home.asp If others get test reports back it will helpful to the group to hear about the results. R Dear Screamingears, here is a link useful link about metal poisioning and autism http://www.doctorjackson.org/ And here is a link that covers information on lead industry http://www.thenation.com/doc/20000320/kitman/22 If any tinnitus suffers get urine tested for toxic metals please post some result info. Thanks. R Here is a link for doctors that do test for toxic heavy metals. http://www.abct.info/index.html Richard > Here is a link for doctors that do test for toxic heavy metals. > > http://www.abct.info/index.html > > Richard One more such post, and your ISP will be notified that you are posting commercial advertisements to a group that prohibits it. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Susan Richard, I totally disagree with Susan. A simple google search of 'tinnitus toxic metals' gets 94,000 hits. A quick check of some of the URLs and content convinces me that you are exploring a legitimate area in the search for Tinnitus causes. I appreciate you providing links to this subject. This last link was to a a purely informational site, mainly listing doctors who choose to incorporate an understanding of metal toxicology into their knowledge base. In short, I see no evidence of spamming in your posts. And there are no commercial aspects to the http://www.abct.info website. Please continue to provide info on this subject! Thanx! Jim > Richard, I totally disagree with Susan. > A simple google search of 'tinnitus toxic metals' gets 94,000 hits. That's a whole lotta scamming. A > quick check of some of the URLs and content convinces me that you are > exploring a legitimate area in the search for Tinnitus causes. I > appreciate you providing links to this subject. This last link was to > a a purely informational site, mainly listing doctors who choose to > incorporate an understanding of metal toxicology into their knowledge > base. That's not purely informational, that's paid referrals. > In short, I see no evidence of spamming in your posts. And there are no > commercial aspects to the http://www.abct.info website. Please continue > to provide info on this subject! Susan I'ts easy to see that toxic heavy metals and tinnitus is a legitimate topic. After I found how difficult it was to find a doctor that tested for toxic heavy metals, I provided the link (with no referral compensation). Aside from answering critics , I'd like to say that my skull x-rays show bright outline bands on the bone fringes and I am taking them to the metal toxology doctor for his opinion to see if this indicates that toxic heavy metals may be incorporated into the skull bone tissue. A compass needle will move off direction when held at locations on my body. I'm still exploring my own health problems and passing along what I feel may be useful information. If others choose to get checked out and post their findings it may help establish more data to help others with tinnitus. There are reams of information on the negative effects of toxic heavy metals online. It's best said like Ripley "Believe it or not". And the other saying is "don't shoot the messenger". Richard > I'ts easy to see that toxic heavy metals and tinnitus is a legitimate > topic. After I found how difficult it was to find a doctor that tested [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > metals online. It's best said like Ripley "Believe it or not". And the > other saying is "don't shoot the messenger". I'd have no objection whatsoever to your discussion of it as a topic. I do have a BIG issue with your hit and run posting of promotional information and attempts to get others to pay for testing. Susan > I'ts easy to see that toxic heavy metals and tinnitus is a legitimate > topic. After I found how difficult it was to find a doctor that tested > for toxic heavy metals, I provided the link (with no referral > compensation). I would say it is impossible because doctors don't do tests. Labs do tests. All you have to do is tell your doctor to prescribe the tests. > Aside from answering critics , I'd like to say that my > skull x-rays show bright outline bands on the bone fringes and I am [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Richard > > I'ts easy to see that toxic heavy metals and tinnitus is a legitimate > > topic. After I found how difficult it was to find a doctor that tested [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I would say it is impossible because doctors don't do tests. Labs do > tests. All you have to do is tell your doctor to prescribe the tests. Hi Martin, Try asking your doctor to test you for toxic heavy metals and see if he/she is equipped to order one or even knows anything about it. Maybe I'm wrong but I have never had a doctor suggest for me to get tested ,although I have had 2 that said I may have heavy metal tocxcity and left me hanging with no follow-up to do any testing. I'd also like to mention I have seen people post how electrical and magnetic fields affect their tinnitus. You can search for topics on this. And that goes back to metal. With todays 'modern technology' doppler radar, cell phone frequencies, satellite tv, radio and everything else. The atmosphere is inudated with energy frequencies that bounce off metal and excite metal particles. If some of those particles are in the brain..who knows what they do...even an MRI may rearrange iron particles with its extremely strong magnetism. I know I have heavy metal toxins, maybe to a high degree and I also know I have had and still have some of the worst tinnitus probably anyone can imagine. I'm no rocket scientist but I have reason to believe their may be a correlation there. Richard > > > I'ts easy to see that toxic heavy metals and tinnitus is a legitimate > > > topic. After I found how difficult it was to find a doctor that tested [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Try asking your doctor to test you for toxic heavy metals and see if > he/she is equipped to order one or even knows anything about it. What do you mean "equipped to order one?" He would write out a prescription (his computer would do it) with the name of the test(s) to perform. I would take that to the lab, and the lab would run the test. I've never had a doctor who refused to do what I asked, if my argument made sense. My current doctor is no exception. > Maybe > I'm wrong but I have never had a doctor suggest for me to get tested > ,although I have had 2 that said I may have heavy metal tocxcity and > left me hanging with no follow-up to do any testing. Of course not. Heavy metal poisoning isn't common, so I wouldn't expect my doctor to suggest it. > I'd also like to mention I have seen people post how electrical and > magnetic fields affect their tinnitus. You can search for topics on > this. And that goes back to metal. No, it doesn't. Electrical fields affect you whether you have heavy metals in your body or not. Good luck to you, if electrical fields are your problem. You will have to move to the wilderness and live without electricity. > With todays 'modern technology' > doppler radar, cell phone frequencies, satellite tv, radio and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > had and still have some of the worst tinnitus probably anyone can > imagine. Why don't you get rid of the excess iron? I believe you said you have excess iron. That's pretty easy to eliminate. And stop eating it. Who knows where you are getting lead from, but get away from the source. I suppose it is harder to eliminate lead from the body. Maybe you can't do it at all. I don't know. > I'm no rocket scientist but I have reason to believe their may be a > correlation there. What are you going to do? You've had your heavy metal test. You have excess iron and lead. Have the iron removed. Martin I can't change the world that I live in, pollution, toxic metals, energy outputs, etc. Energy frequencies that affect people without metal toxicy may affect people more that have them.The provoked urine test for toxic metals is not a test typically known about by doctors, from my experience. I have read, and I'm not that expert, that nearly everyone exposed to the leaded gasoline enviornment has lead in their bodies. You can get lead from many other sources as well. When the heavy metals deposit and incorporate in bone tissue it's harder and slower to remove them. I'm recieving IV chelation treatments now. I don't know how extensive my bones and tissues are contaminated with heavy metals. My compass needle deflects neat my wrist, shoulder, leg, head etc.Obviously there are more "I don't knows" than "I do know". Also, the damage that lead and other heavy metals do is said to be permanent, including brain tissue where lead migrates to. I'm not the doctor here, just passing along info. Richard > Martin > I can't change the world that I live in, pollution, toxic metals, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Richard You're not "just passing info along" you're trolling for customers. Knock it off. Susan > Martin > I can't change the world that I live in, pollution, toxic metals, > energy outputs, etc. Yes, you can. You get iron poisoning by eating too much iron. Stop eating red meat. Don't take vitamin pills with iron in them. Who knows where the lead came from? Maybe you ate paint chips when you were a child. If you are still getting more lead in your body, find out where it is coming from and get away from it. > Energy frequencies that affect people without > metal toxicy may affect people more that have them.The provoked urine > test for toxic metals is not a test typically known about by doctors, Yes, doctors know about heavy metal poisoning. And they can find out by making a phone call. This doesn't matter anyway, since you already had your test, and your result was positive for iron and lead. Stop ingesting iron and lead. > from my experience. I have read, and I'm not that expert, that nearly > everyone exposed to the leaded gasoline enviornment has lead in their [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > permanent, including brain tissue where lead migrates to. I'm not the > doctor here, just passing along info. Yes, this is all widely known. I'm sorry for your situation, but just because you didn't know about heavy metals in the environment doesn't mean nobody else does. Most people don't have the levels you apparently do have, so you must have been around gasoline fumes a lot. You get iron poisoning by eating too much iron. It sounds like you are getting the right treatment, so just be relieved about that. The city does work on water mains ocassionally and the disturbed sediment is total rust water for days. The instructions are "let your taps run until the water looks clear and don't worry about the bad tatse, it won't hurt you". I certainly do not intentionally ingest lead or iron but you can get it from inhaling air, eating foods and lots of other ways. It only took me over 5 years, to now believe, that toxic heavy metals caused what was called a 'rash'. If you saw my rash photos you may want to skip your next meal. So tying my symptoms and tinnitus together under the heading "toxic heavy metals'" (THM) seems very appropiate at this time. Anyone who thinks I am trying to earn money from people that decide to get their ownself tested is misguided. I also have a very bad hearing loss which lead is know to cause. Readers can decide for themselves what they do and don't want to be tested for. My ENT never once suggested or impled for me to be tested for THM so apparently, some ENT's don't to go there. Richard > The city does work on water mains ocassionally and the disturbed > sediment is total rust water for days. The instructions are "let your > taps run until the water looks clear and don't worry about the bad > tatse, it won't hurt you". That isn't where you got iron and lead poisoning. But if you think it is, why don't you have the water tested? Have you ever had the water tested? > I certainly do not intentionally ingest lead > or iron but you can get it from inhaling air, eating foods and lots of > other ways. No, you can't, unless you are near a source of these chemicals. Are you near a source of these chemicals? > It only took me over 5 years, to now believe, that toxic > heavy metals caused what was called a 'rash'. If you saw my rash photos > you may want to skip your next meal. So tying my symptoms and tinnitus > together under the heading "toxic heavy metals'" (THM) seems very > appropiate at this time. I don't think anybody has disputed that your poisoning may be a cause of your tinnitus. I am disputing your claims that doctors don't know about heavy metal poisoning and that the tests for it are difficult to obtain. You just have to tell your doctor you want to be tested for heavy metal poisoning. > Anyone who thinks I am trying to earn money > from people that decide to get their ownself tested is misguided. I > also have a very bad hearing loss which lead is know to cause. Readers > can decide for themselves what they do and don't want to be tested for. > My ENT never once suggested or impled for me to be tested for THM so > apparently, some ENT's don't to go there. That is because tinnitus is very common, and heavy metal poisoning is rare. Hi Martin, The public water system is required to test water samples. But not from my spigot. This may be a small issue, like I said there are more "I don't knows" than "I do know". In my career I was exposed to many known and unknown health hazzards. I was a trained investigator and senior quality auditor at one time and I understand the importance of pertinent questions and I know how to ask them to analyze issues. I can't answer all my own questions so you have to understand I can not answer all questions from others. I posted prrimarily to share infrmation, I do not have the equipment, staff, data to make a presentable assement of heavy metal toxicity and tinnitus or answer all questions by myself, I am barely getting by day to day now. Richard > Hi Martin, > The public water system is required to test water samples. But not [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > questions by myself, I am barely getting by day to day now. > Richard But did you have your water tested? You said you feared that periodic work on your water mains had contaminated your water. Since you know you have been poisoned and you don't know where the poison came from, and since you fear the worst about your water, I would think you would have it tested for your own piece of mind. Martin, I was retired on disabilty in 1991. I have seen many doctors many times since then. It was less than 3 weeks ago I found a doctor that tested, or ordered tests, if you like, for toxic heavy metals. So, now I know more than the 16 years worth of futile attempts seeing doctors to help diagnose my condition(s). Looking backwards to see if I tested water samples is not going to help me survive now, I am in bad shape. I know you don't understand how bad so you have t to imagine. At this stage 'thinking' isn't going to help matters with my body very much. Sorry I can not answer all your questions. If someone else who is healthier than me finds they have high THM they could provide input. Richard > But did you have your water tested? You said you feared that periodic > work on your water mains had contaminated your water. Since you know you > have been poisoned and you don't know where the poison came from, and > since you fear the worst about your water, I would think you would have > it tested for your own piece of mind. > Martin, > I was retired on disabilty in 1991. I have seen many doctors many [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > healthier than me finds they have high THM they could provide input. > Richard Good luck and godspeed. > Good luck and godspeed. Thank you Martin for your very kind words. I will continue to try to get more and more detoxified. Here are some useful search words you can research, iron poisioning or iron poisioning tinnitus. I just ordered a little device that has a jeweled gimble bearing that swivels in 3 directions for showing the orientation of magnetic fields or magnetic materials. I expect this device to better show the areas of my body that are afflicted with high iron concentraions (in the bone) better than my magnetic compass. It's a commercial device so I will refrain from mentioning the name. It may be a tool of the future for ENT's, who knows. Regards, Richard > > Good luck and godspeed. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Regards, > Richard That's probably a waste of money, since any human body, poisoned or not, will deflect a compass needle. That's why you have to hold the compass away from your body. Better to spend your money on determining whether you are still being poisoned and finding the source of the poison. It sounds like you're not doing that. Hi Martin, I'm not going to analyze biomagnetism and point out magnetic field strenghts for human bodies, thats beyond me at the moment. However, talking about where the metal contamination is coming from, check out leadinspector.com and click the facts link. I'm not promoting anything commercial here, it happens to be a commercial web site but the factual information is very relevant to lead poisioning. Richard > Hi Martin, > I'm not going to analyze biomagnetism and point out magnetic field [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > information is very relevant to lead poisioning. > Richard You know lead has no magnetic properties, right? You know lead has no magnetic properties, right? Yes Martin, I have know that for about 45 years. You may also find some useful information searching for lead poisioning tinnitus. I normally use altavista > You know lead has no magnetic properties, right? > > Yes Martin, I have know that for about 45 years. You may also find some > useful information searching for lead poisioning tinnitus. I normally > use altavista You were implying you got that magnet thing to find lead in your body. You were implying you got that magnet thing to find lead in your body. from previous post "I expect this device to better show the areas of my body that are afflicted with high iron concentraions (in the bone) better than my magnetic compass". > You were implying you got that magnet thing to find lead in your body. > > from previous post "I expect this device to better show the areas of > my body > that are afflicted with high iron concentraions (in the bone) better > than my magnetic compass". It's hard to keep track because you talk about both your iron and lead poisonings. Have you determined yet how you got poisoned? > It's hard to keep track because you talk about both your iron and lead > poisonings. Have you determined yet how you got poisoned? Martin, Read some of the links on how people can get lead. How could anyone who has long term exposure to small amounts of lead know how they got poisoned in this enviornment? Also, try using these search words in a search engine like altavista: lead poisioning confusion. Instead of debating my statements, it might be more benifical for you to decide if you'd like to be tested for lead yourself and post your findings. I can't keep trying to answer questions that don't really solve my problems, Im posting information and trying not to be inaccurate. So, I'm going to lay off the trying to respond to things that can be looked up independently. Richard > Read some of the links on how people can get lead. How could anyone > who has long term exposure to small amounts of lead know how they got [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > up independently. > Richard For the record, higher than optimal levels of lead are not uncommon. One source is galvanized water main and service mains with old lead solders, like those in the house I live in now when I bought it. We were advised by the inspection engineer to replace it, and we did, and the water authority replaced their section at the same time. Also, too many folks have old lead containing paint in their homes or buidlings that gets shot into the air as dust during renovations, sanding, etc. Susan > > It's hard to keep track because you talk about both your iron and lead > > poisonings. Have you determined yet how you got poisoned? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > up independently. > Richard I understand the problem of lead poisoning. Susan has listed the two standard causes. I've known about them since the 70's or 80's, I can't remember when it was now, when lead poisoning was a big issue in the news. I guess that's why I've been asking questions, because you seem to think this isn't widely known. You've said doctors don't know about testing for heavy metals, but lead is a heavy metal and it has been a fairly standard procedure, since that period, to test children for lead poisoning, when the situation indicates it. You also don't seem worried about how you got poisoned and whether you are still being poisoned. If I had lead poisoning, then once I was receiving treatment, those are the two questions I would want answers to. . If > I had lead poisoning, then once I was receiving treatment, those are the > two questions I would want answers to. Martin, how do you know you don't have lead poisioning? The so-called standard procedure for children is to have a blood test. When lead enters the body it goes for the tissues, it does not stay in the blood. The brain, kidneys other tissues, bones. After long periods of gradual build up and cell damage and other biological damage you end up dead or very very sick. Maybe I am a big exception having not been previously tested or diagnosed. The provoked urine test temporarily drives toxic heavy metals out of the tissues, where they are stored, and they show up in the urine for chemical analysis. We had a saying in the shipyard, one test is worth a thousand expert opinions. I've had a test and I see the results.Next time you visit your doctor maybe you can ask him how he checks for lead poisioning or build up excess lead in the body and report back. You mentioned two standard ways to get lead poisioning. Any source of lead is potentially poisioning so that statement doesn't add up. I don't know if you have been doing much searching on the web, there are plenty of relevant articles and I could post links but there is no need if you do your own followup. How I got the lead is less important to me than why was I not diagnosed sooner. Try searching on the web if you have questions. There are more answers there than I can provide. Regards, Richard > . If > > I had lead poisoning, then once I was receiving treatment, those are the > > two questions I would want answers to. > > Martin, how do you know you don't have lead poisioning? I don't. But I don't have any symptoms, and I haven't been exposed to the two main sources of lead poisoning. So there is no need to worry about it. > The so-called > standard procedure for children is to have a blood test. When lead [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > We had a saying in the shipyard, one test is worth a thousand expert > opinions. Working in a shipyard probably explains your poisoning, but it doesn't explain your not being tested. I've known about the dangers of heavy metal poisoning for most of my life, certainly all of my adult life. If I worked in a danger zone, I would have demanded regular testing. > I've had a test and I see the results.Next time you visit > your doctor maybe you can ask him how he checks for lead poisioning or > build up excess lead in the body and report back. He doesn't test for lead poisoning unless there are symptoms to be explained. Why should he? If I wanted him to test me for lead poisoning, I would tell him what I wanted done. That's how it has always worked between me and my doctor. We both decide what to do. I don't expect him to know everything. That would be foolish. And if he refuses to do what I want done, and he can't give me a satisfactory explanation why, then I get a new doctor. But none of my doctors has ever refused to do what I asked without explaining why it was the wrong thing to do, so I've never had the problem. > You mentioned two standard ways to get lead poisioning. Any source of > lead is potentially poisioning so that statement doesn't add up. Add up to what? Those are the two main sources of lead poisoning. > I don't know if you have been doing much searching on the web, there are > plenty of relevant articles and I could post links but there is no need [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Regards, > Richard I think you have answered my question. You worked in a danger area and were never tested, probably because throughout that period you didn't ask to be tested. You are no long working in the shipyard, so you are not being poisoned now. The chelation therapy is the best thing you can do. I hope you make a complete recovery. I would get rid of the magnetic device. It will just cause needless worry. > > Martin, how do you know you don't have lead poisioning? > > I don't. But I don't have any symptoms, and I haven't been exposed to > the two main sources of lead poisoning. So there is no need to worry > about it. Martin, if you have tinnitus you may have a symptom. LP id insidious meaning it creeps up over time. Search for lead poisoning insidious. My skin has very little pigment now and pallor is just one of the many symptoms of LP. It's even possible my mother passed lead to me before I was born. The point is that in our enviornment that is contaminated with many sources or lead, seen and unseen, known and unkown, that the only way that I know of to find how much is stored or present in your body is to be tested. Until another tinnitus sufferer gets tested and posts their findings I'm just going around in circles trying to establishi LP as a possible cause for other's tinnitus. > Working in a shipyard probably explains your poisoning, but it doesn't > explain your not being tested. I've known about the dangers of heavy > metal poisoning for most of my life, certainly all of my adult life. If > I worked in a danger zone, I would have demanded regular testing. Blood tests are done at times butI don't know what is checked or even if it would indicate lead stores in the body. > He doesn't test for lead poisoning unless there are symptoms to be > explained. Why should he? If I wanted him to test me for lead poisoning, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > asked without explaining why it was the wrong thing to do, so I've never > had the problem. Heavy metals are documented to cause tinnitus, maybe thats worth testing for. > Add up to what? Those are the two main sources of lead poisoning. If you mean ingestion and inhalation, those are the two main entry points into the body, but their are many sources of lead contamination in the enviornment. http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic1267.htm a few more links: http://www.mssm.edu/cpm/xrf/index.html http://www.scuba-doc.com/lead.htm http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/press/releases/press07012002.html http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic237.htm http://www.intox.org/databank/documents/chemical/lead/ukpid25.htm http://www.alternet.org/story/225 Good luck on finding the cause and treatment for your tinnitus Martin, I believe I found the cause for mine. Regards, Richard > > > Martin, how do you know you don't have lead poisioning? > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > posts their findings I'm just going around in circles trying to > establishi LP as a possible cause for other's tinnitus. I don't think I have been exposed to lead, so I'm not concerned about it. My tinnitus is improving steadily, and I have none of the standard symptoms of lead poisoning. > > Working in a shipyard probably explains your poisoning, but it doesn't > > explain your not being tested. I've known about the dangers of heavy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Blood tests are done at times butI don't know what is checked or even > if it would indicate lead stores in the body. I'm saying you apparently didn't know you were being exposed to lead. I don't know why you didn't, but that's probably the source of your poisoning, and you are no longer being poisoned because you don't work there anymore. > > He doesn't test for lead poisoning unless there are symptoms to be > > explained. Why should he? If I wanted him to test me for lead poisoning, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Heavy metals are documented to cause tinnitus, maybe thats worth > testing for. I don't have to. The problem is going away. But I'm pretty sure my problem was posture related, specifically a neck problem, which i have corrected. > > Add up to what? Those are the two main sources of lead poisoning. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Regards, > Richard Martin, thinking you don't have lead toxcity is different from knowing don't you have it. My neck problems were so severe you can only imagine. Here is a link to information on spasmodic torticollis. http://www.torticollis.org/ Lead poisoning is insidious and creeps up over time. You don't have to work in a shipyard to get it either. When I think of the very big money my insurance companies and I have spent over the years, a simple toxic metal urine test is less than a drop in the bucket, cost wise. And pain and suffering wise, I don't know how that can be measured. So, rather than go on and on, people have a right to choose who to see and what to ask for. As time goes by maybe we both will see more posts on this topic. That's all for now. Richard > Martin, thinking you don't have lead toxcity is different from knowing > don't you have it. My neck problems were so severe you can only [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > topic. That's all for now. > Richard Thanks, Richard. I can now assume you are being paid to do this. > Thanks, Richard. I can now assume you are being paid to do this. Martin, we another applicable saying in the shipyard "When you assume something you make an a.s out of u and me..a play on the word assume, ass-u-me. I'm not making a penny more than you are by posting here. Richard On 8/13/06 3:08 PM, in article 1155506893.503343.197670@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "ashlin@hotmail.com" > Martin, thinking you don't have lead toxcity is different from knowing > don't you have it. My neck problems were so severe you can only [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > topic. That's all for now. > Richard Around 200 -300 AD the romans switched to Lead pots for cooking. In the archeological studies, significant lead was found in the bones of corpses of that era to conclude that lots of them were lead poisoned and that this may have been a significant factor in Rome's fall. new here... > Heavy metals are documented to cause tinnitus, maybe thats worth > testing for. OHMYgosh - where can I check this (scientific studies) any links, please? What are heavey metals anyway? Diana > new here... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Diana I'm not saying it's not possible, but if I were you, I'd table this as a last, and not very likely resort. Susan > I'm not saying it's not possible, but if I were you, I'd table this as a > last, and not very likely resort. Okay I won't get my knickers in a twist, but can you name some heavy metals...lead?? http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/metalsheavy/index.html. ??toxic metals are these the same as heavy metals? I drink a lot of Perrier water which contains arsenic (not on the label any more though). Diana "Cavaliers" <cavaliers@shaw.ca> wrote in part: >Okay I won't get my knickers in a twist, but can you name some heavy >metals...lead?? See http://www.healthofchildren.com/G-H/Heavy-Metal-Poisoning.html  SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > "Cavaliers" <cavaliers@shaw.ca> wrote in part: > >>Okay I won't get my knickers in a twist, but can you name some heavy >>metals...lead?? > > See http://www.healthofchildren.com/G-H/Heavy-Metal-Poisoning.html Thank you for the link, Jim. Diana > I'm not saying it's not possible, but if I were you, I'd table this as a > last, and not very likely resort. > Susan It's crossed off the list then, for the time being anyway. Diana > > I'm not saying it's not possible, but if I were you, I'd table this as a > > last, and not very likely resort. > > Susan > > It's crossed off the list then, for the time being anyway. > Diana ...unless you eat a lot of bottom fish, which you probably don't. Or you sniffed a lot of leaded gas as a teenager thirty years ago for the high. Or you grew up in poverty in a slum and you ate paint chips from the walls because you thought they looked like candy. Or if you worked in a shipyard for thirty years. Otherwise, you're probably pretty clean. > ...unless you eat a lot of bottom fish, which you probably don't. Or you > sniffed a lot of leaded gas as a teenager thirty years ago for the high. > Or you grew up in poverty in a slum and you ate paint chips from the > walls because you thought they looked like candy. Or if you worked in a > shipyard for thirty years. Otherwise, you're probably pretty clean. I think I'm not a candidate then,but don't know about the fish unless you are talking about 'bottom feeders', and there are rather a lot of those individuals about. Come to think of it the 'bottom feeders' of the world will add to general stress and thus be a cause of tinnitus though ;o) Probably not the same bottom fish to which you refer. Thank for your comments. Diana > > ...unless you eat a lot of bottom fish, which you probably don't. Or you > > sniffed a lot of leaded gas as a teenager thirty years ago for the high. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Thank for your comments. > Diana Bottom fish refers to fish that live on the bottom of the sea. They can have high levels of mercury. I eat a lot of fish, but it is salmon, mostly. By the way, today someone told that the 'legal' determination for Lead toxicity is by blood level. Even though it stores in the tissues and bones. So anyone having a routine blood test may request that Lead levels be included. Another toxic metal that causes tinnitus is mercury. You can use these seacrch words to reseach: mercury tinnitus. And if you eat mercury laden fish you can calculate your exposure, not how much is already in brain tissue, by clicking here on this non-commercial website: http://www.gotmercury.org/ Happy researching, Richard > Bottom fish refers to fish that live on the bottom of the sea. They can > have high levels of mercury. I eat a lot of fish, but it is salmon, > mostly. Yum Yum... A few interesting comments I have found online: 1. Mecury pollution in the oceans is caused in great part by coal-fired powerplants emissions. http://toc.convio.net/site/PageServer?pagename=issues_mercury 2. Overexposure to Lead is Common http://oc.itgo.com/lead/worker.htm 3. Lead poisoning happens more than you think. http://www.nsc.org/issues/lead/ 4. Lead is used in more than 900 occupatons and hobbies. http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic1269.htm 5. EPA Lead Homepage http://www.epa.gov/opptintr/lead/index.html new saying, knowing is better than thinking you know. Richard > A few interesting comments I have found online: > 1. Mecury pollution in the oceans is caused in great part by coal-fired [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > new saying, knowing is better than thinking you know. > Richard Okay. Now, is there anything else tinnitus related that you'd care to talk about? Susan This is a followup on the magnetic field indicator device I ordered. It's a commercial device and I'm going to risk mentioning the name, even though I don't own shares in the company or recieve proceeds for 'advertising' it. It's called a Magnaprobe, and it comes in two models. I bought the jeweled bearing version. Two doctors have witnessed the fact that my body has a very strong magnetic field. The magnet on the Magnaprobe can sense my body's field over 8 feet away. This field is extremely strong around my head. I emailed the manufacturer and they stated they have not heard of this happening from any other customers and do not know what is causing it. My tinnitus has been changing as I recieve more chelation IV treatments for heavy metal toxcity. I'm adding data here as I recieve it. Richard Any device sensitive enough to detect your magnetic field at eight feet of distance cannot tell the difference between you and the earth's magnetic field. Metals do not create a magnetic field unless all the ions line up in one direction and with your body in a constant state of flux (pun not intended) you would have no more magnetic field than any other piece of iron. I believe in chelation therapy and also that metals and mineral imbalances have much to do with tinnitus along with other brain/sensory disturbances but you have probably been duped. > This is a followup on the magnetic field indicator device I ordered. > It's a commercial device and I'm going to risk mentioning the name, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > adding data here as I recieve it. > Richard > This is a followup on the magnetic field indicator device I ordered. > It's a commercial device and I'm going to risk mentioning the name, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > adding data here as I recieve it. > Richard > Any device sensitive enough to detect your magnetic field at eight > feet of distance cannot tell the difference between you and the [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > adding data here as I recieve it. > > Richard Janice, I don't know if my magnetic field is from neurological damage or metal toxicity or a combination of both. Another neurologist witnessed my very intense magnetic field today, so the fact that I have a field has been witnessed by 4 doctors. An aerospace doctor has asked to see it next week if possible. The mangaprobe is highly sensistive and shows the field better than a compass needle, however even a compass needle deflects. Buy one for yourself and see what happens, maybe you can return it for a reufnd if you decide it's of no value. Richard I have used metering devices that are more than sensitive enough to detect the earth's magnetic fields and they cannot detect a field or charge from the human body. This is fantasy from "ora viewers". My magnetic ions cannot line up because they constantly move with my bodily processes. They have to magnetically line up to produce a "net" magnetic field. Take the coins out of your pockets. >> Any device sensitive enough to detect your magnetic field at eight >> feet of distance cannot tell the difference between you and the [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > return it for a reufnd if you decide it's of no value. > Richard > I have used metering devices that are more than sensitive enough to > detect the earth's magnetic fields and they cannot detect a field or [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Take the coins out of your pockets. Janice, I don't know about the device you are using, but this is what a Magnaprobe looks like: http://www.indigo.com/magnets/gphmgnts/magnaprobe.html It will pull to me buck naked minus all coins. I have one gold tooth filling and one almagam and no implants of any type. Four doctors have seen it respond and they know it's no trick and no fantasy. I wrote the ATA to let them know also. Richard I am dealing with sensitive magnetic field detectors that electronically amplify for very sensitive readings. These electronic instruments are manufacturered by reputable equipment manufacturers like Fluke and Yokogawa and are many magnitudes of sensitivity and accuracy more than a 3D compass device blessed by a Jewish Priest (sarcasm). >> I have used metering devices that are more than sensitive enough to >> detect the earth's magnetic fields and they cannot detect a field [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I wrote the ATA to let them know also. > Richard > Janice, > I don't know if my magnetic field is from neurological damage or metal [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > return it for a reufnd if you decide it's of no value. > Richard What value is it to you? You already know you have heavy metal poisoning. > What value is it to you? You already know you have heavy metal poisoning. 1. It may correlate heavy metal toxicity symptoms with tinnitus if a magnetic reaction is found to exist with other tinnitus suffers. 2. It may open the door on understanding how magnetic fields play a role in tinnitus. 3. It may provide a quick and easy way for ENT's to diagnose tinnitus with less subjectivity. 4. It may help people apply for disabilty by letting a judge, jusy or anyone with common sense see with their own eyes as they say. 5. It helps me personally by proving to doubting thomas doctors that say, your MRI. CAT Scan, Spect san and SKull X-rays all show NORNAL so there must not be anything wrong. 6. It may help diagnose metal toxicity victims before they get tinnitus and reduce pain and suffering from the effects by getting treatment sooner. These are just a few off the cuff comments, maybe you can add up all the reasons it's of no value, Martin. Regards, Richard > > What value is it to you? You already know you have heavy metal poisoning. > > 1. It may correlate heavy metal toxicity symptoms with tinnitus if a > magnetic reaction is found to exist with other tinnitus suffers. As I said, the human body *always* has a magnetic field. But that is beside the point. Your magnet thingy is only being used on you. You already know you are nearly radioactive, and you got poisoned long before you developed tinnitus. > 2. It may open the door on understanding how magnetic fields play a > role in tinnitus. You're missing the point here. I asked what value your device is to you. You're giving a lot of general answers that have nothing to do with your copy of the machine. > 3. It may provide a quick and easy way for ENT's to diagnose tinnitus > with less subjectivity. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > These are just a few off the cuff comments, maybe you can add up all > the reasons it's of no value, Martin. You still haven't answered my question. You don't have to, of course. Of what value is *your* copy of the machine to *you*? What did your neurologist say when you demonstrated your personal magnetic field in front of him? What was his conclusion about your magnetic field? About your device? > > > What value is it to you? You already know you have heavy metal poisoning. > > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > magnetic field in front of him? What was his conclusion about your > magnetic field? About your device? Martin, re-read No.5 which pertains to me. Also, as I continue to undergo chelation IV's , I can use the Magnaprobe to see if I get a change or reduction in magnetic field on my body. Two neurologist that I have seen so far, said they have never seen anything like this, and one commented he was unaware that such a deivice, Magnaprobe, existed. The neurologist I saw yesterday is going to write a letter and send copies to a number of doctors that I had seen, including my ENT, letting them know that the new diagnosis for my aliments is lead poisoning. He had no conclusion about the magnetic field, except for tending to agree with my statement to him when I said, "If you want to see what nerologcial damage looks like, watch this", and I showed him the magnet moving. Thats all for now Martin, if anything significant comes up down the line I will try to post it. Richard > > > > What value is it to you? You already know you have heavy metal > > > > poisoning. [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > line I will try to post it. > Richard You have once again referred to your diagnosis as lead poisoning. Lead has no magnetic properties, so it has nothing to do with the effect the neurologist observed. Neither does the existence of a magnetic field around your body indicate nerve damage. the human body runs on electricity. All living human bodies have a magnetic field. Yours may be stronger than normal due to iron deposits, but your doctor has now diagnosed you to have lead poisoning. Lead poisoning can't be causing the magnaprobe to deflect. The magnaprobe doesn't do anything for you regarding your number 5 above. > > > > > What value is it to you? You already know you have heavy metal > > > > > poisoning. [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > the magnaprobe to deflect. The magnaprobe doesn't do anything for you > regarding your number 5 above. Anything you say Martin, good luck with your own problems, I see you have all the questions and answers for mine. Richard We wish you all the best with your therapy. If it works for you then go for it. Just watch your wallet please. Chelation is a wonderful thing where needed. I have witnessed it do apparent miracles on a few people to date. Heavy metals do exhibit magnetic field characteristics. Well maybe cobalt. Is cobalt considered a heavy metal? >> > > In article >> > > <1156387978.919843.240650@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 100 lines] > have all the questions and answers for mine. > Richard Hi Janice, A heavy metal is one that is five times or more heavier than water. Yes, cobalt is a heavy metal. My provoked urine test shows cobalt at 0.0004 ug/mg with < 0.03 as the reference range, so I'm under on that metal. The magnaprobe, mounted in jeweled gimble bearings, is very ultra-sensistive. I do not know or have the values on how that would be determined and measured. Pure nickel can also take on magnetic properties, and of course aluminum, nickel and cobalt are combined to make alnico magnets. I do not know what generates my magnetic field, as I said before, it could be due to metals or neurological damge from metals or maybe even other toxic substances. At this stage, I have a device to prove or show or demonstate that the field does exist. The field is not uniform around my body, it favors my left side, the same side I have suffered the most neurolgically based damage. If you ever decide to test a magnaprobe, please let me know how it compares tot he sensitivity of the elctronic measuring devices. Also, if you can tell me the name of any device that a medical doctor would use to establish or measure a magnetic field in a human body I would appreciate that information. Regards, Richard In my orginal post I mentioned crystal radio sets that can generate sound using only the energy from a crystal. While researching on wikipedia I found this info on crystal radio's: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_set It states in part "The most common crystal used is a small piece of galena." Galena is Lead crystal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galena Which may indicate the possiblity or probabilty that Lead in the brain may act as generator for tinnitus. Richard > In my orginal post I mentioned crystal radio sets that can generate > sound using only the energy from a crystal. No again. A crystal radio runs on the energy of the radio waves that pass over it. Energy in the crystal is not released. The crystal is used to form a diode connection. >While researching on > wikipedia I found this info on crystal radio's: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Richard > > In my orginal post I mentioned crystal radio sets that can generate > > sound using only the energy from a crystal. > > No again. A crystal radio runs on the energy of the radio waves that > pass over it. Energy in the crystal is not released. The crystal is used > to form a diode connection. Good point Martin, the diode acts as a reciever of sorts and converts energy waves into other enegery waves. Doesn't that mean that a lead crystal diode configuration in the brain tissue could be capable of generating a new set of frequencies that are precieveable, or audible, as tinnitus? A standard crystal radio set is capable of powering a small ear piece to tune in radio stations with not external battery source. Richard > > > In my orginal post I mentioned crystal radio sets that can generate > > > sound using only the energy from a crystal. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > source. > Richard It is more likely that the fillings in your teeth would do this. I believe there are documented cases of it. I doubt you have lead in your brain. The brain is protected by a barrier that only allows certain chemicals in. > It is more likely that the fillings in your teeth would do this. I > believe there are documented cases of it. I doubt you have lead in your > brain. The brain is protected by a barrier that only allows certain > chemicals in. Martin, the websites I have visited say lead does affect the brain, here is just one: http://www.fi.edu/brain/metals.htm#effectlead Here is another interesting website about lead contamination with wine and wine bottles: http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/faculty/pbird/keepingfit/ARTICLE/leadwine.HTM > > It is more likely that the fillings in your teeth would do this. I > > believe there are documented cases of it. I doubt you have lead in your > > brain. The brain is protected by a barrier that only allows certain > > chemicals in. > > Martin, the websites I have visited say lead does affect the brain, ok, you've got lead in your brain. But you are doing chelation therapy. That's all you can do. The magnetic field around your body has nothing to do with lead. Lead has no magnetic properties. Good luck getting the lead out. > here is just one: > http://www.fi.edu/brain/metals.htm#effectlead > Here is another interesting website about lead contamination with wine > and wine bottles: > http://www.hhp.ufl.edu/faculty/pbird/keepingfit/ARTICLE/leadwine.HTM Here is a semi-unrelated link to some recent research on the effects of magnetic fields on the brain. Maybe somewhere down the road someone somewhere will find a tie in to magnestism and tininitus, who knows, I don't. http://www.mclean.harvard.edu/news/press/2004/20040216usnwr.php Richard Unapproved Lyme Disease Drug May Cause Fatal Poisoning Yael Waknine Medscape 2006. © 2006 Medscape July 21, 2006 The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has warned consumers and healthcare providers via health advisory against the use of bismacine injection (also known as chromacine) due to the risk for potentially fatal bismuth poisoning. According to the FDA, the product has been used to treat Lyme disease and contains high amounts of bismuth, which is not indicated for injection in any form. Use of bismacine has been linked to the death of 1 patient in April 2006 and the hospitalization of another in March 2005. Other individuals given the injection have also suffered serious adverse events related to bismuth poisoning, which can include cardiovascular collapse and renal failure. The FDA emphasizes that the product is not a pharmaceutical and has not been approved by the agency for any indication. Mixed individually by druggists, bismacine injection is prescribed or administered by alternative health physicians and those claiming to be doctors. Patients with concerns regarding adverse events potentially related to bismacine injection may wish to seek medical attention. Healthcare professionals are encouraged to report bismacine-related adverse events to the FDA's MedWatch reporting program by phone at 1-800-FDA-1088, by fax at 1-800-FDA-0178, online at http://www.fda.gov/medwatch, or by mail to 5600 Fishers Lane, Rockville, MD 20852-9787. > Unapproved Lyme Disease Drug May Cause Fatal Poisoning > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > by fax at 1-800-FDA-0178, online at http://www.fda.gov/medwatch, or by mail > to 5600 Fishers Lane, Rockville, MD 20852-9787. That would be Lyme disease, named for the town of Old Lyme, not Lyme's disease, which would be named for a person. How we get to "discover" and name a disease that appears in 100 y.o. European texts as a neuro illness is beyond me. I don't know anyone who's ever been dumb enough to take one of the scam treatments. Susan
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