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4stringer - 28 Jul 2006 17:55 GMT I really need some help with sleeping as the ringing increases the less I sleep Im 38 years old and my T is from workplace noise.I have tried masking the ringing with detuned radio but it doesnt seem to work.Ive probably only slept 10 hours in the last 2 weeks.Im currently waiting for my audiology appt.should be soon,but Im at my wits end.I quit smoking (pot and cigarettes) coffee and salt, any help would be greatly appreciated thanks
Susan - 28 Jul 2006 18:44 GMT > I really need some help with sleeping as the ringing increases the less > I sleep [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > any help > would be greatly appreciated thanks Sorry to hear how crummy you're feeling, I remember it well. Welcome to a club that no one wants to join.
I didn't sleep, eat or do much of anything til I found out that the sound of driving in my car masked my T perfectly, but I couldn't live in a Volvo. :-)
Some folks find that antidepressants help, some have had good luck with self hypnosis, others with Xanax (not recommended as an early intervention, it can be habituating), some use masking, some of us find that high salicylate foods make our T louder, some of us have found a low carbohydrate diet quiets T, and some have found no effect.
The best thing I can offer is this brilliant piece written by a long time poster who rarely posts here but often lurks <*waves*>:
From: Bill - view profile Date: Thurs, Mar 22 2001 10:39 pm Email: "Bill" <b...@nowhere.add> Groups: alt.support.tinnitus Not yet rated Rating: show options Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse | Find messages by this author
Hi Guys and Dolls!
I came to ast a few years ago when my T first started. Hung around here for a couple of years and acquired some valuable insight into T. Dropped in today and, after spending a couple of hours reading, was disappointed to see that contention still reigns supreme.
I still hear my T when I want to but most of the time I simply ignore it. Some claim that I have "spontaneously habituated" however I prefer to believe that my proactive approach to habituation was key. Here goes:
When your ears start to ring:
1. See an ENT and an audiologist to rule-out an acoustic neuroma. You should find some peace in knowing that the incessant noise isn't going to kill you.
2. Learn about things that can make the ringing worse like, for example, repeated insults (acoustical, not the kind you read here) and medicines like quinine and aspirin.
3. Share your experience with your friends and co-workers. You will most likely find them supportive and helpful.
4. Get as much sleep as you can. Nothing, in my experience, helps reduce T more than a good night's sleep.
5. Avoid silence. Waterfalls and white noise work for some however I found noise with intelligent, compelling content to work far better. In my vicinity Minnesota Public Radio and the BBC were most helpful. The BBC is especially effective at bed time. (Hi Tony!) The sound will mask your T somewhat and the intelligence will keep you from focusing on it.
6. Stay active. If you isolate yourself you will find yourself alone with your T. You don't really want that, do you?
7. Don't dwell on it. Hanging around this newsgroup seems to be one way to bring T to the forefront. Get what you need and get out.
8. Protect your hearing. Carry some cheap foam plugs wherever you go and use them anytime you would have to raise your voice to be heard above the ambient noise level.
Best wishes,
Bill
4stringer - 28 Jul 2006 19:20 GMT > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > > Bill 4stringer - 28 Jul 2006 19:22 GMT > > x-no-archive: yes > > [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > > > > Bill marrer - 28 Jul 2006 23:05 GMT > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > > Bill well i am suffering from noise induced t also,and it is a massive pain in the arse! the advice above seems genrally sound but a couple of things i have noticed are the ear plugs ( i HAVE to wear them at work) once away from the noise make the t worse than ever. i have noticed that it decreases when you forget about it,but then i notice its not there and it comes back! and finally,a lot of posts seem to say that their t is worst at night-mine is worst at morning,as i wake. i think it is a condition that varies greatly but talking about it does help. good luck!
Susan - 28 Jul 2006 23:58 GMT > well i am suffering from noise induced t also,and it is a massive pain > in the arse! > the advice above seems genrally sound but a couple of things i have > noticed are the ear plugs ( i HAVE to wear them at work) once away from > the noise make the t worse than ever. Yes, a lot of folks have found that use of earplugs can worsen their T, or at least make them notice it more.
i have noticed that it decreases
> when you forget about it,but then i notice its not there and it comes > back! Do you have intermittent tinnitus, or are you saying you vary between noticing and not noticing it?
and finally,a lot of posts seem to say that their t is worst at
> night-mine is worst at morning,as i wake. > i think it is a condition that varies greatly but talking about it does > help. > good luck! Time is the single most important thing. Most folks find that the passage of time is their best friend in habituating their tinnitus.
Susan
marrer - 29 Jul 2006 22:42 GMT > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Susan hi susan.my t is not intermittent,i would describe it more as peaks and troughs.it can sometimes make me want to curl up and scream when i am at work,while i am at home it varies from mildly irritating to sleepless fury. the worst thing for me, is that it seems that my doctor or other medical staff cannot diagnose it. it is like its my problem and its down to me to deal with it. this group is a big help though,just to know others are in the same boat! cheers
Susan - 29 Jul 2006 22:59 GMT > hi susan.my t is not intermittent,i would describe it more as peaks and > troughs.it can sometimes make me want to curl up and scream when i am at > work,while i am at home it varies from mildly irritating to sleepless > fury. the worst thing for me, is that it seems that my doctor or other > medical staff cannot diagnose it. it is like its my problem and its down > to me to deal with it. This is a very familiar story, about doctors. :-( I know that having highly variable T can make it more noticeable due to changes.
> this group is a big help though,just to know others are in the same boat! > cheers Glad to hear that!
Susan
STEPHEN - 10 Sep 2006 14:37 GMT your the prick that slags off disabled people, and you have tinnitus
I am very pleased to see you have a disablement yourself, as they say there but the grace of god go you. I hope you will never be cured after talking badly about disabled people
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> > x-no-archive: yes > > [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > does help. > good luck! Eva Quesnell - 10 Sep 2006 15:46 GMT > your the prick that slags off disabled people, and you have tinnitus > > I am very pleased to see you have a disablement yourself, as they say there > but the grace of god go you. I hope you will never be cured after talking > badly about disabled people Actually, what they say is: "There but for the grace of God go I." But who's counting?
marrer - 10 Sep 2006 21:32 GMT > your the prick that slags off disabled people, and you have tinnitus > > I am very pleased to see you have a disablement yourself, as they say there > but the grace of god go you. I hope you will never be cured after talking > badly about disabled people proof? didnt think so. stop stalking me ,fool.
STEPHEN - 10 Sep 2006 21:38 GMT stop disrespecting the disabled ARSEHOLE, hey say something?? what did you say?? stop walking you or something
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> > your the prick that slags off disabled people, and you have tinnitus > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > didnt think so. > stop stalking me ,fool. STEPHEN - 10 Sep 2006 21:47 GMT I see you never said you criticise the disabled then, nice of you to confirm that, PRICK
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> > your the prick that slags off disabled people, and you have tinnitus > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > didnt think so. > stop stalking me ,fool. marrer - 11 Sep 2006 00:38 GMT > I see you never said you criticise the disabled then, nice of you to > confirm that, PRICK proof? yeh,didnt think so.
STEPHEN - 11 Sep 2006 13:53 GMT This is what you wrote on another NG
do I need to use spazlock for you to understand?
so using spastics as a jock. Very amusing when you have Tinnitus. I hope it gets worse for pricks like you, and I hope you get another disease as well
I hope you get constantly bad health through out your ARSEHOLE life
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> > I see you never said you criticise the disabled then, nice of you to > > confirm that, PRICK > > > proof? > yeh,didnt think so. drfrank21@gmail.com - 29 Jul 2006 02:06 GMT > Some folks find that antidepressants help, some have had good luck with > self hypnosis, others with Xanax (not recommended as an early > intervention, it can be habituating), some use masking, some of us find > that high salicylate foods make our T louder, some of us have found a > low carbohydrate diet quiets T, and some have found no effect. I disagree a little bit with the holding off on medications such as Xanax and Ativan and feel it should be discussed and considered very early on with one's ENT/primary care provider. Very early on is when the tinnitus sufferer is at his/her most vulnerable (as evidenced with the OP only getting 10 hrs of sleep in the past 2 wks)- the person is very anxious, apprehensive and scared which only feeds the cycle of tinnitus.
Thus the benefit of something like Xanax/Ativan is probably most beneficial early on- getting proper sleep is essential. Even something like Ambien or Lunesta can be of great help (if staying away from the benzo's) to get the sufferer some much needed rest.
That's only my personal opinion but I still vividly remember those first few months of my own tinnitus and going crazy trying to get some rest and or brief escape of my tinnitus. Between that and the vertigo, that time period was a personal hell.
frank
Susan - 29 Jul 2006 02:27 GMT > I disagree a little bit with the holding off on medications > such as Xanax and Ativan and feel it should be discussed and [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Between that and the vertigo, that time period was a > personal hell. I think that's a reasonable position, and I recall how awful and tormenting it was during the time that I had loud, jet engine roar, intrusive tinnitus.
Susan
Murray Grossan - 29 Jul 2006 18:26 GMT On 7/28/06 10:44 AM, in article 4iv0npF5jmg8U1@individual.net, "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
> Avoid silence. Waterfalls and white noise work for some however I found > noise with intelligent, compelling content to work far better. In my > vicinity Minnesota Public Radio and the BBC were most helpful. The BBC is > especially effective at bed time. (Hi Tony!) The sound will mask your T > somewhat and the intelligence will keep you from focusing on it. Having Broadway musicals in he daytime may be best. The words engage various levels of the brain. For sleep try Shopping Channel. Some of it "engages' you and since your body wants it off, it solves it by falling asleep.
Cavaliers - 15 Aug 2006 01:14 GMT Hi Susan, Thanks for your post and the re-post of another's below... I have some questions as I struggle with this despicable tinnitus. More here and there below...
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> The best thing I can offer is this brilliant piece written by a long time > poster who rarely posts here but often lurks <*waves*>: snipped...
> From: Bill - view profile > Date: Thurs, Mar 22 2001 10:39 pm [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > should find some peace in knowing that the incessant noise isn't going to > kill you. What is acoustic neuroma?
> 2. Learn about things that can make the ringing worse like, for example, > repeated insults (acoustical, not the kind you read here) and medicines > like > quinine and aspirin. What is quinine in, anything OTC?
> 4. Get as much sleep as you can. Nothing, in my experience, helps > reduce > T more than a good night's sleep. Hate waking up though because it's still there.
> 6. Stay active. If you isolate yourself you will find yourself alone > with > your T. You don't really want that, do you? Unfortunatley, unavoidable.
> 7. Don't dwell on it. Hanging around this newsgroup seems to be one way > to > bring T to the forefront. Get what you need and get out. Doing that now - hope for help...
> 8. Protect your hearing. Carry some cheap foam plugs wherever you go and > use them anytime you would have to raise your voice to be heard above the > ambient noise level. Got some and will do, but why do they help Is tinnitus a result of too much high sound?>
> Bill Thanks Bill.
Thanks Susan, too awaiting reply. Diana
Susan - 15 Aug 2006 01:22 GMT > What is acoustic neuroma? It's a kind of benign tumor.
>>2. Learn about things that can make the ringing worse like, for example, >>repeated insults (acoustical, not the kind you read here) and medicines >>like >>quinine and aspirin. > > What is quinine in, anything OTC? It's in tonic water.
>>4. Get as much sleep as you can. Nothing, in my experience, helps >>reduce >>T more than a good night's sleep. > > Hate waking up though because it's still there. Get busy with something else, and keep TV or radio on, or some white noise.
I'm glad Bill's post was helpful to you.
Susan
Cavaliers - 15 Aug 2006 02:16 GMT >> What is acoustic neuroma? > > It's a kind of benign tumor. Okay - that would be invesitgated by/with ???
>> What is quinine in, anything OTC? > > It's in tonic water. Thanks. Is it in Perrier water do you know, the labvl has changed recently, which used to say 'arsenic' but that's been removed.
> Get busy with something else, and keep TV or radio on, or some white > noise. I'll try again.
> I'm glad Bill's post was helpful to you. Me too, and thanks to you in advance again. Diana
Susan - 15 Aug 2006 03:58 GMT > Okay - that would be invesitgated by/with ??? You/with google. ;-)
> Thanks. Is it in Perrier water do you know, the labvl has changed recently, > which used to say 'arsenic' but that's been removed. I'm pretty sure it's not.
Susan
Cavaliers - 17 Aug 2006 19:32 GMT > x-no-archive: yes > >> Okay - that would be invesitgated by/with ??? > > You/with google. ;-) I meant what kind of testing - CT or other, meanwhile have discovered that an acoustic neuroma is a benign tumour of the 8th cranial nerve. I hope this is a rare condition.
>> Thanks. Is it in Perrier water do you know, the labvl has changed >> recently, which used to say 'arsenic' but that's been removed. > > I'm pretty sure it's not. Well no more G&T's then ;o) ! Don't need the quinine anyway since I do not live in malaria country. But since Perrier label's have changed and content probably hasn't I'm going to give it a rest. Diana
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 21 Aug 2006 18:44 GMT > I really need some help with sleeping as the ringing increases the less > I sleep [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > any help > would be greatly appreciated thanks Your tinnitus may not have anything to do with "(pot and cigarettes) coffee and salt" and perhaps the latter are your life savers at this moment when you are going through a depression caused by the t sound. Has your tinnitus topped since you quit all that? If not, put at least some of them back! Have a beer.
Good luck with your audiology appointment but I don't think it is going to help. By the way, why does it take so long to see a specialist?
Try this: (1)Talk to a pharmacist and take one tablet of gingko biloba before bedtime. You can always drop it if it does not produce any tangible effect. Gingo is a blood thinner. Make sure you are not taking any other blood thinner at the same time. Try to observe if the improved blood circulation in your head will help you sleep better. I would also talk to a physician about betahistine. I used it and it helped me sleep; i experienced NO side effects at all. But take this pill AFTER dinner with a full stomach and do no driving while you are on it. I used to take one tablet of gingo in the morning and one betahistine AFTER dinner. The combination worked pretty well. Betahistine is a OTC med in Hong Kong. Thus you can see how safe it is viewed to be from the perspective of the British medical authority. Both of these helped my sleep. (2)Are you using a high pillow? Try to support your neck with a wrapped towel at night. I think the high pitch i experienced during the onset had something to do with a compressed spine.
After visiting that audiologist, come back and tell us what he says.
FP
Murray Grossan - 22 Aug 2006 02:19 GMT On 8/21/06 10:44 AM, in article 1156182263.832080.196820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com, "fyfpoon@gmail.com"
>> I really need some help with sleeping as the ringing increases the less >> I sleep [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > FP Check your blood pressure, that's a common cause.
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 22 Aug 2006 03:51 GMT > On 8/21/06 10:44 AM, in article > 1156182263.832080.196820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com, "fyfpoon@gmail.com" [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > > Check your blood pressure, that's a common cause. My tinnitus came out at a time when my blood pressure was out of control but later on the blood pressure was well controlled but the t was still there. The t never seems to go away tho it diminishes as long as I don't nap!!! Why is it so? The nerve discomfort was taken care of by a couple of needle work.
Martin Smith - 22 Aug 2006 05:30 GMT > > On 8/21/06 10:44 AM, in article > > 1156182263.832080.196820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com, "fyfpoon@gmail.com" [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > was still there. The t never seems to go away tho it diminishes as > long as I don't nap!!! Why is it so? Because now you know it will come back if you nap.
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 24 Aug 2006 02:51 GMT > > > On 8/21/06 10:44 AM, in article > > > 1156182263.832080.196820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com, "fyfpoon@gmail.com" [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > Because now you know it will come back if you nap. You are not providing an answer to what i asked. Do it again, and make use of the google if you have to.
Martin Smith - 24 Aug 2006 03:20 GMT > > > > On 8/21/06 10:44 AM, in article > > > > 1156182263.832080.196820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com, [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > You are not providing an answer to what i asked. Do it again, and make > use of the google if you have to. My answer does explain your problem.
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 24 Aug 2006 05:45 GMT > > > > > On 8/21/06 10:44 AM, in article > > > > > 1156182263.832080.196820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com, [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > My answer does explain your problem. But it has explained yours...
Martin Smith - 24 Aug 2006 07:27 GMT > > > > > > On 8/21/06 10:44 AM, in article > > > > > > 1156182263.832080.196820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com, [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > > But it has explained yours... I don't have a problem. You are the one complaining bitterly about things.
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 24 Aug 2006 07:57 GMT > > > > > > > On 8/21/06 10:44 AM, in article > > > > > > > 1156182263.832080.196820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com, [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > I don't have a problem. You are the one complaining bitterly about > things. You have at least one problem or the problem with fyfpoon and whatever he says..
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Martin Smith - 24 Aug 2006 08:19 GMT > > > > > > > > On 8/21/06 10:44 AM, in article > > > > > > > > 1156182263.832080.196820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com, [quoted text clipped - 113 lines] > You have at least one problem or the problem with fyfpoon and whatever > he says.. You are not my problem. I argue with you because (a) I think your statements should be refuted, and (b) it is an entertaining way to spend the time.
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 24 Aug 2006 13:45 GMT > > > > > > > > > On 8/21/06 10:44 AM, in article > > > > > > > > > 1156182263.832080.196820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com, [quoted text clipped - 117 lines] > statements should be refuted, and (b) it is an entertaining way to spend > the time. I think (b) is the only reason. Likewise, I do the same thing for the same purpose.
Janice - 24 Aug 2006 23:05 GMT Could you people show some consideration for your audience and trik your uless attachments of old posts not relavent to your response please? Some groups consider this very rude and would put you intheir bozo bins after one warning.
Thank you for your co-operation.
> I don't have a problem. You are the one complaining bitterly about > things. Martin Smith - 24 Aug 2006 23:26 GMT > Could you people show some consideration for your audience and trik > your uless attachments of old posts not relavent to your response > please? Some groups consider this very rude and would put you intheir > bozo bins after one warning. Don't read my posts then. Put my posts in your bozo bin.
> Thank you for your co-operation. > > > I don't have a problem. You are the one complaining bitterly about > > things. Janice - 25 Aug 2006 04:08 GMT That wasn't very considerate of this group and quite selfish.
>> Could you people show some consideration for your audience and trik >> your uless attachments of old posts not relavent to your response [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> > about >> > things. Martin Smith - 25 Aug 2006 12:16 GMT > That wasn't very considerate of this group and quite selfish. So is top posting.
> >> Could you people show some consideration for your audience and trik > >> your uless attachments of old posts not relavent to your response [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >> > about > >> > things. Janice - 28 Aug 2006 04:27 GMT You, sir, are incorrect.
>> That wasn't very considerate of this group and quite selfish. > > So is top posting. .
Martin Smith - 28 Aug 2006 13:51 GMT > You, sir, are incorrect. Incorrect about what? What are you accusing me of now?
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