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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / June 2006Don't you read?
In one of my responses to a post, I wrote:"And i was told that Confucius once said:"If rape were inevitable, just relax and enjoy yourself!." (1)If anyone of you finds the content of this quote offensive, please argue with Confucius, not with FP. (2)If anyone feels the use of this quote to be inappropriate, please elaborate the standard benchmark upon which all quotes in this ng will be based. I am amazed that even the 'highly educated' people in this ng, the certified doctors, the medical scientists...could not wait to deem themselves 'good men' and come to be the crusaders against FP on behalf of the intellectually random screamers. Don't you read, or know how to read???????????????? FP > In one of my responses to a post, I wrote:"And i was told that > Confucius > once said:"If rape were inevitable, just relax and enjoy yourself!." > > (1)If anyone of you finds the content of this quote offensive, please > argue with Confucius, not with FP. Confucius is not able to discuss the applicibility of the quote. FP, although too stupid to post this in the thread where it belongs or give a link or a hint here as to why it is applicible, can discuss it and is the one who must defend its use. That content does not belong here in a new thread. > (2)If anyone feels the use of this quote to be inappropriate, please > elaborate the standard benchmark upon which all quotes in this ng will > be based. The logic of a reasonable person is a start, but a person employing that would not clutter this ng with another thread which is not related to the topic (tinnitus). > I am amazed that even the 'highly educated' people in this ng, the > certified doctors, the medical scientists...could not wait to deem > themselves 'good men' and come to be the crusaders against FP on behalf > of the intellectually random screamers. The cause of your amazement is suspect. Are you truly that dull? So that you may understand the offensiveness of your comment, may you be sentenced to a couple decades with a 380 lb roommate named Bubba so that rape is inevitable and you can "just relax and enjoy yourself!" Perhaps Bubba will share you with his friends and you can really enjoy yourself. If you don't care for this suggestion, you should take it up with Confucius as you suggest others do. > > In one of my responses to a post, I wrote:"And i was told that > > Confucius [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > The logic of a reasonable person is a start, Whose logic? Yours? So are you suggesting that your logic is the universal basis upon which all quotes from now on should be based? And then the reasonableness of a person? Are you placing your own reaction as a benchmark upon which the reasonableness of a person should be measured? Who are you? I think it was extremely reasonable for me to quote what I heard in relationship to accepting a reality that is inevitable as opposed to fighting a losing battle and continuing in the sorry state, as evidenced from the post of that gentleman to whom I responded. but a person employing > that would not clutter this ng with another thread which is not > related to the topic (tinnitus). Then why are you responding? And why have the other participants responded to the APPROPRIATENESS of a quote used in regard to the sorry situation narrated by a person, as opposed to responding exclusively to that person's emotional state possibly being the cause of his tinnitus. > > I am amazed that even the 'highly educated' people in this ng, the > > certified doctors, the medical scientists...could not wait to deem > > themselves 'good men' and come to be the crusaders against FP on behalf > > of the intellectually random screamers. > > The cause of your amazement is suspect. Are you truly that dull? Why a suspect? You are the dumb person. That a couple of female screamed at the use of the word 'rape' in a quote does not make (1)the use of the quote morally INAPPROPRIATE and (2)the person using this quote to illustrate a point a dumb person. There was at least one person who agreed with me wholeheartedly to the applicability of this quote in relation to explaining a situation albeit he is in the minority. So are you looking for confirmity to the norm in this ng? This is an international newsgroup and people from all cultures have varied comprehension of and reaction to the CONNOTATION a word used _in that context_. > So that you may understand the offensiveness of your comment, No, not at all, and it was not even a comment. It was a quote used under that circumstance which i deem appropriate. As I said, at least one person agreed with me, and he is not dumb like you. > may you be sentenced to a couple decades with a 380 lb > roommate named Bubba so that rape is inevitable and you can [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If you don't care for this suggestion, you should take it up > with Confucius as you suggest others do. You do NOT even have the education to go into this debate with me, you fool! This whole debate with me is on the APPROPRIATENESS of the use of this quote under the said circumstances but not on the CONNOTATION of this quote. The CONNOTATION of this quote is clear: change your attitude towards something *inevitable* and this something may change. Now, please go back to your Affirmative Action classes to polish yourself up intellectually before coming back again. Francis said: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In one of my responses to a post, I wrote:"And i was told that Confucius once said:"If rape were inevitable, just relax and enjoy yourself!." (1)If anyone of you finds the content of this quote offensive, please argue with Confucius, not with FP. (2)If anyone feels the use of this quote to be inappropriate, please elaborate the standard benchmark upon which all quotes in this ng will be based. I am amazed that even the 'highly educated' people in this ng, the certified doctors, the medical scientists...could not wait to deem themselves 'good men' and come to be the crusaders against FP on behalf of the intellectually random screamers. Don't you read, or know how to read???????????????? FP ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mybad. Francis. Not Fances. I apologize. I'm 1/4 French and should have known better. Ok, here's the deal Francis: I say Confucius is innocent and Mr. Francis Poon is guilty. In Amazon.com there are dozens of books on the sayings of Confucius. At least half of these books are searchable. I dont know the mechanism by which Amazon accomplishes this. But you can search for text inside the full text of selected books. I searched full text on 8 books that claim to contain *all* of Confucius's sayings. Here is the result of my search. Number of Confucius books that contain the word 'rape': Zero Zip. Nilch. These 8 books had *NO* occurance of the saying you attribute to him. Nor does the great philosopher ever mention the word 'rape'. Anywhere. Anytime. No How and no where. While it is a possibility that all these book editors or Amazon have removed 'offensive' sayings, I think the onus is now on Francis Poon to produce a full citation. Cuz right now me thinks your use of the remark in question is very curious. Why would one choose to propogate such an insensitive, offensive and gutless remark without even taking a few minutes to validate the alleged source? I know what you were trying to say in your context of the original (butchered) topic. But your continued defense of it with abolutely ZERO research, and your opening of this off-forum topic forces me to challenge you to put up or apologize. To answer your question: 1) I dont have to argue with Confucius cuz he didnt say it. 2) The benchmark for posting quotes in a ng is that the post author should be ready to A) Accept challenges on the quote, and B) Be ready to cite his source or apologize. No substitutes or excuses accepted. Near as I can discover, the phrase originated when Tex Antoine, a NYC news weatherman uttered it on air in 1974. Funny thing is he never cited the saying to Confucius. Tex was fired soon thereafter for being an insensitive boob. He often drank on the job between his 6pm and 11pm broadcasts. Hmmmmm. Read this -- http://www.tvparty.com/lostnytex.html Unfortunately, Confucius frequently gets credited for sayings by people wanting to enhance their own wacked idea or concept but have no credibility, honor or spine. So plleeeeaaaaaassssee! Francis, make me a believer! Cite your source or apologize for passing on a drunken newsman's lame, insensitive, offensive, and utterly stupid quote. Jim Suggest we drop this thread. Rape is an act of violence. Period. That is as clear as the fact that the sun rises in the morning. So let's get on with the subject of this group Thanks Balthus > Francis said: > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > insensitive, offensive, and utterly stupid quote. > Jim Balthus, Don't you read? What is the matter with you? Did you ever finish high school at all? This thread is not about whether rape is an act of violence. We all know it is. The thread is about whether the use of this quote is 'morally appropriate' in illustrating a point. If you don't read or don't have the education to read, don't talk! Don't just say something for the sake of saying it, like the intellectually random fools in this ng. OK? > Suggest we drop this thread. Rape is an act of violence. Period. > That is as clear as the fact that the sun rises in the morning. So [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > insensitive, offensive, and utterly stupid quote. > > Jim > Suggest we drop this thread. Agreed. What we need now is a visit from our beloved Thread Coroner. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Susan Agreed. This thread is dead. Eva Yes, o and take some courses in Affirmative Action program to polish yourself up intellectually..OK? ============================ > > x-no-archive: yes > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Eva > > x-no-archive: yes > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Eva Yup. And I'm now all on board with that 'ignoring' suggestion - whoever said it a few days ago. Guess I learned my lesson. :-) > > > x-no-archive: yes > > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Yup. And I'm now all on board with that 'ignoring' suggestion - whoever > said it a few days ago. Guess I learned my lesson. :-) You still have not apologized for having echoed your sympathy in concert with other 'highly educated' individuals in support of a form of hysteria that is associated with people going through menopause. > You still have not apologized for having echoed your sympathy in > concert with other 'highly educated' individuals in support of a form > of hysteria that is associated with people going through menopause. FP, you are a moron. I realize name calling is a pointless exercise, but there is nothing else that can be said. ES > > You still have not apologized for having echoed your sympathy in > > concert with other 'highly educated' individuals in support of a form > > of hysteria that is associated with people going through menopause. > > FP, you are a moron. I realize name calling is a pointless exercise, > but there is nothing else that can be said. Should I call you a pig? FP > ES > FP, you are a moron. I realize name calling is a pointless exercise, > but there is nothing else that can be said. Well, Eric, why don't you want to be easy on yourself? After all, given that you dropped out of the Affirmative Action program, there is not that much in your intellectual arsenal that enables you to say any more than that. FP snipped... > Number of Confucius books that contain the word 'rape': Zero > > Zip. Nilch. These 8 books had *NO* occurance of the saying you > attribute to him. I have never attributed this to Confucisu and I even said in one instance that I doubt it came from Confucius. That I *heard* Confucius said does not mean i attributed it to Confucius. Thus I want you to be clear on this. Actually i heard this quote from a Canadian in Toronto and he wholeheartedly believed that was the wisdom of Confucius. He was not getting all emotionally upset when he was telling me this. Thus each person has a different reaction to the use of the word 'rape'. You or anyone should not set yourself as the international standard benchmark that approves or disapproves people's reaction to certain things. Nor does the great philosopher ever mention the word > 'rape'. Anywhere. Anytime. No How and no where. While it is a > possibility that all these book editors or Amazon have removed [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > trying to say in your context of the original (butchered) topic. But > your continued defense of it with abolutely ZERO research, It is because I do NOT find it offensive at all! It is as simple as that. At least one person in this ng agreed with me and even commented this is the best he has seen from FP's postings. While we(the minority) on this side are focusing on the LOGICS AND CONNOTATION of this quote, you the majority on the APPROPRIATENESS of the use of this quote because of a word it contains. Then who is right and who is wrong? Who has to apologize and for what? and your > opening of this off-forum topic forces me to challenge you to put up or > apologize. Let us see who has to put up or to apologizen later on............ > To answer your question: > 1) I dont have to argue with Confucius cuz he didnt say it. > 2) The benchmark for posting quotes in a ng is that the post author > should be ready to A) Accept challenges on the quote, and B) Be ready > to cite his source or apologize. No substitutes or excuses accepted. The source is that I *heard*....and I even question into the authenticity itself. > Near as I can discover, the phrase originated when Tex Antoine, a NYC > news weatherman uttered it on air in 1974. Funny thing is he never > cited the saying to Confucius. Tex was fired soon thereafter for being > an insensitive boob. He often drank on the job between his 6pm and 11pm > broadcasts. Hmmmmm. > Read this -- http://www.tvparty.com/lostnytex.html Perhaps the same guy would have got a promotion in Latin America or Cuba. Why do you use the standard in NY to measure this kind of act in the whole world. How about in the politically correct France? > Unfortunately, Confucius frequently gets credited for sayings by people > wanting to enhance their own wacked idea or concept but have no > credibility, honor or spine. > > So plleeeeaaaaaassssee! Francis, make me a believer! I have already made you and everyone in this ng a believer of the LOGICS AND CONNOTATION of this quote which I heard Confucius said. I don't need to make you a believer that it is attributed to Confucius because as I said i doubt if it came from Confucius. Once again, while we(the minority) on this side are focusing on the LOGICS AND CONNOTATION of this quote, you the majority on the APPROPRIATENESS of the use of this quote because of a particular word it contains. Then who is right and who is wrong? Who has to apologize and for what? In my view, I do NOT need to apologize to you or anyone because I do NOT find this quote offensive at all. On the other hand, I think you and many others in this ng have to apologize to me for having MISFOCUSED, that is, instead of focusing on what the message implies in terms of controlling our attitude towards something *inevitable*, you have spent your time and energy crusading against the APPROPRIATENESS of the use of this quote because of a particular word it contains. If I had said: Confucius said "Since death is inevitable, why not relax and enjoy yourself", none of you would have had any objection. Right? And you would not have wasted your time to verify the authenticity of this quote. Right? So please apologize to me, all of you, for having wasted my time in educating you!!!! > Cite your source or apologize for passing on a drunken newsman's lame, > insensitive, offensive, and utterly stupid quote. Not at all! I think this quote is SENSITIVE and full of wisdom. Again, there is a cultural difference and perception here. For example, years ago when I was in Canada, my Canadian secretary told me that she found the loud noise created in the Chinese people's eating process to be rather appalling. I asked her how she reacted to 'fingin licking good' in the Caucasion people's eating process...and she was silenced. Drinking wine is very common in France, even by the youths in lunch time. But if the Chinese students were to use alcohol to that extent, the local newspapers would have crusaded against all the wine makers. So, Jim, please apologize to me on behalf of this ng for (1)having wasting my time by placing the wrong focus in this debate and (2)for an ethnocentric act by which what is standard of a region in the world must be true of the whole globe. Put up or apologize, please! FP |
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