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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / June 2006Re; Re; Four months or torment from pulsatile tinnitus
Well Elly, you're right. Telling me to "live with it" doesn't strike me as very "helpful." But just having someone else to discuss this with is better than dealing with it on my own. Certainly the medical profession has done nothing to help, nor (in my opinion) have they even made a serious attempt. Here is some more information regarding my symptoms and aggravating circumstances. Symptoms -- I'm not having just tinnitus. I have a lot of neck pain, particularly high up in the back of my neck (cervical spine). I also feel a generalized pressure inside my head. Both are relatively tolerable when I get up in the morning but get worse over the course of the day. I also occasionally have visual "flashes" or "sparklies." When that happens, if I look at a bright, featureless blue sky [in particular], it's like hundreds of tiny bugs falling onto a still pond, each one causing a flash with ripples radiating out. Weird, eh? Medications -- By noon I generally have to start taking the Alleve, but I'm trying not to become dependent on analgesics and for the last several days I've quit taking them and tried my best to gut it out. I'm currently taking sublingual B12 and thrice-daily Ginkgo extract in hopes that will help. Stress Factors -- Hey, folks...I'm living in a soap opera. My oldest stepdaughter, age 30, is a heroin/crack addict and a truckstop whore. There is no other way to describe her. She is currently in a hospice getting treatment for a systemic staph infection brought about my intravenous drug use. She is a multiple felon, the first time in 1998 when she and other "friends" dumped the body of someone who overdosed in their home near a cell-phone tower. Oh, and did I mention she is pregnant? I found out about the pregnance around the time the T started. At this point we have the father narrowed down to three men that were foolish enough to vaginally penetrate her the day she last got out of jail. I am not making any of this up. My other stepdaughter is an unemployed, divorced mother of two who recently got arrested for DUI. This is the "good daughter." My wife is wonderful. However, my T started around mid-January when she spent the night with another man on a business trip and had sex with him three times. She was not cheating, but my body still reacted as if she was. Despite the tryst being sanctioned by me she sees my pain and feels very guilty for having contributed to additional hardship. I won't attempt to explain this any further but if you want to contact me privately in an earnest attempt to help me then I am willing to provide more details. With all this going on -- not to mention frequent trips to various healers -- I feel that my performance at work has suffered and my job may be in jeopardy. I have considered taking a leave of abscence. Ergonomics -- Yes, in my job I peer at a computer screen 8-9 hours a day. Combined with aging eyes (presbyopia) this could easily be a factor. I need to see an optometrist again soon, both to check my prescription and for the "flashes." I also recently took up playing the guitar, and it may be no coincidence the the T is on the left side because at this point on the learning curve I do need to watch the fretboard when I play. I've played keyboards for 40 years and had been thinking about taking up guitar for some time but actually choosing to do so shortly after my wife's tryst is probably not a coincidence (the "other man" is a guitarist). All that said, it has proven very therapeutic psychologically, I really enjoy doing it, and I'm loath to give it up. Physical Activity -- Exercise seems to exacerbate both my T and the cranial pressure. I think it raises my blood pressure or the pressure of my cerebro-spinal fluid. Especially sex. As a result of her tryst and the honest and open discussions of it the wife and I are closer and more intimate than we've ever been. She's also taking testosterone supplements which has done wonders for her libido; she never turns me down when I approach her and comes like a house afire. We are having sex twice a night. Sometimes more, sometimes not at all, but that's the AVERAGE. I find that astounding. I've always been a good lover but I'm not sure I can keep up this pace and live to tell about it. Sometimes I think I approach her for sex so often only to compete with the "other man." This despite the fact that he lives hundreds of miles away and they only see each other a couple of times a year. Okay, there you have it. With all this going on you don't want to know the places my head has gone. I should probably see a shrink and resume my visits to the chiropractor. With this additional information any more thoughts from anyone would be appreciated. Joe Elle Byrne said: Well Joe, you have not had much help from anyone have you? Pulsatile tinnitus is simply not known by the medics if you have no obvious results from some test or other. But many people have it and the doctors have no idea. The short answer is here: http://eebee.net/pt.shtml A slightly longer answer is: you've already said it 'muscle tension' But a tablet muscle relaxant is not working for you. FIRST: please get yourself a massage from a trusted therapist. That should bring some relief from the tension and the pain. SECOND: do some of the neck stretching exercises mentioned in the above webpage. THIRD: Ask yourself "What is happening in my life that could be setting up this tension?" Do you work with computers of telephones? FOURTH: It is up to ourselves to take charge of our lives. If a doctor could have helped you it would have happened by now. But we are in an area where they frankly have no answers. Email me privately if you want to from my webpage. Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ "Joe Blow" <ikc1NOSPAM@NOjuno.comSPAM> wrote: >I went through a very stressful period about four months ago. My blood >pressure skyrocketed to 170/100 and was probably higher. Since then I've >had >pulsatile tinnitus in my left ear and a lot of tension in my neck. I take >several Alleve every day for the pain, and the tinnitus is loud enough to >keep me up at night, even with a white-noise generator. > >I went to my primary care physician about this. He prescribed some muscle >relaxers (which didn't help) and a referral to an ENT. I was unable to get >an appointment with him for more than a MONTH. Having already scheduled a >vacation in the virgin islands, I went down there and had a miserable time. >I had the doctor call down a prescription for Zithromax but apparently I >don't have a bacterial infection. > >After the appointment was rescheduled AGAIN for an office move, I >eventually >saw an ENT. He looked in my ear too and saw nothing, so he set me up for an >MRI with contrast. When I returned for an office visit two weeks later he >told me that there was no evidence of problems with the "supra or >infrahyoid >vessels of the neck." He he proceeded to tell me that he couldn't tell me >what was causing the problem but it was "untreatable." > >I found this unfathomable. How can you say something is untreatable if you >don't know what it is? He was nonplussed by my response. I guess I was >supposed to be ecstatic that I didn't have an obvious aneurysm, but I'd >rather have that than an "unknown, untreatable problem." Wouldn't you? > >I subsequently discovered that I could make the pulsing mostly go away if I >jut out my jaw towards the right. But I can't walk around all day looking >like Igor. If I press on my left temple it gets much louder. When I release >the pressure the noise is quieter and slowly comes back up to the previous >level. As might be expected it it louder when my B.P. is up. > >Anyway, this ENT referred me to an otology colleague who -- as it turned >out -- shares office space with him on another side of the city. He told me >the same thing, showed me a plastic model of the ear (gimme a break), took >another $200 from my insurance company, and sent me home with VITAMINS. I >had visions of the two of them discussing me over a game of golf ("I >referred another pawn for you to cash in on"). > >Since then I found a chiropractor within my medical group and got a >referral >to him. He cracked my neck every visit for a couple of weeks but seemed to >have no other therapy to offer. Since this was making no discernible >difference I quit going to him, too. > >Having this pulsing in my head -- 70 times a minute, never a break -- for >four months is really wearing on my spirit. I'm finding it difficult to >cope >from the sleep deprivation alone. I don't think this is in my inner ear, >and >can't imagine that this problem can't be treated if I can alter the >symptoms >in the manner previously described. > >I guess I should praise God for this, but if He's responsible then I >suggest >He doesn't bear much difference from Beelzebub. HELP!! One final thing: Sleep disturbances are a factor. Not just from the T but from life in general. About the only way I can get to sleep at night anymore is to take 30mg of Temazepam along with several alcoholic beverages. Sad but true. > Well Elly, you're right. Telling me to "live with it" doesn't strike me as > very "helpful." But just having someone else to discuss this with is [quoted text clipped - 178 lines] >>suggest >>He doesn't bear much difference from Beelzebub. HELP!! >Symptoms -- I'm not having just tinnitus. I have a lot of neck pain, >particularly high up in the back of my neck (cervical spine). I also feel a >generalized pressure inside my head. As I said before: right there is most of your problem. The pressure in your head is part of the neck/spine problem. >Ergonomics -- Yes, in my job I peer at a computer screen 8-9 hours a day. Is your monitor at eye level? When you are seated - are your forearms level with the floor? Is the chair comfortable? >I also recently took up playing the guitar, and it may be no >coincidence the the T is on the left side because at this point on the >learning curve I do need to watch the fretboard when I play. While I applaud your efforts in doing something different, the guitar puts your body at an uneven angle. This would not help your neck/spine problem. At least on a keyboard the body is fairly even. >Physical Activity -- Exercise seems to exacerbate both my T and the cranial >pressure. I think it raises my blood pressure or the pressure of my >cerebro-spinal fluid. It would certainly increase muscular tension. This is not necessarily a bad thing. But do you undo the tension afterwards? Do you do stretches? >I should probably see a shrink and resume my visits >to the chiropractor. A shrink is entirely your choice. But considering the many problems you mentioned, it may be very helpful. If you have seen a chiropractor before then you will be comfortable seeing him again. But ask him what to do about physical problems in your life. I have been to several and they are all different. But my last one is my favorite. We had great discussions. And when I mentioned a particular problem he gave me an exercise to do at home. None of the others did that. Email me if you want to. Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ >Well Elly, you're right. Telling me to "live with it" doesn't strike me as >very "helpful." But just having someone else to discuss this with is better [quoted text clipped - 171 lines] >>suggest >>He doesn't bear much difference from Beelzebub. HELP!!  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Joe, You have described your personal scenario which you are convinced is _abnormally_ sad. Once upon a time, a Russian girl pen pal told me that her husband got killed in a traffic accident 7 months after marriage and she was left pregnant. She told me she was feeling suicidal. So I told her to create an imagination in which every Russian girl has her husband pass away in 6 months.....or 3 months... She got the point and no longer felt sorry for herself any more. Thus if you imagine every stepdaughter in America behaved more randomly than your own, you would no longer feel that bad. Enjoy whatever 'bad' things that are happening to you. You can't change them but you can change your attitude towards them. Perhaps you should learn to make a joke of it and laugh at it, and these bad things may one day become enjoyable. Shakespear once said:"Nothing is good or bad, but only thinking makes it so!" And i was told that Confucius once said:"If rape were inevitable, just relax and enjoy yourself!." Rather philosophical, isn't it? By the way, you do know who Confucius or Shakespear is. Don't you? FP > Well Elly, you're right. Telling me to "live with it" doesn't strike me as > very "helpful." But just having someone else to discuss this with is better [quoted text clipped - 171 lines] > >suggest > >He doesn't bear much difference from Beelzebub. HELP!! > And i was told that Confucius > once said:"If rape were inevitable, just relax and enjoy yourself!." Y'know, most of the time I ignore your weird posts in this group. But this time I have to say -- ARE YOU NUTS? This is offensive and disgusting. Enjoy rape? I repeat -- ARE YOU NUTS? > Y'know, most of the time I ignore your weird posts in this group. But > this time I have to say -- [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I repeat -- ARE YOU NUTS? Eva, I can't believe you have to ask. He's nuts AND a misogynist, with a long google history to prove it. KILL FILE, it's your best friend. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Susan Well, I guess I always thought he was just slightly misguided. I don't read a lot of what he writes here. Only a man would say what he did. I could help but respond. It was highly offensive to me. Eva >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Eva Well, of course I meant to say "I couldn't help but respond." I would answer the two other idiotic responses to this bit of stupidity, but then I'd be feeding the trolls. Sigh. Eva > Well, I guess I always thought he was just slightly misguided. I don't > read a lot of what he writes here. Only a man would say what he did. > > I could help but respond. It was highly offensive to me. I understand. But I thought the answer to your question was obvious. Here in NY, a very famous and popular weatherman lost his job after telling that exact joke on the air. His name was Tex Antoine, if you care to look it up. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I understand. But I thought the answer to your question was obvious. Yeah, I guess it didn't even need to be asked. > Here in NY, a very famous and popular weatherman lost his job after telling > that exact joke on the air. His name was Tex Antoine, if you care to look it > up. > > Susan As well he should be fired. Most men, I'm sure, understand what an act of violence rape is. I guess there are still some who just don't get it. Oh well.... Eva Anyway... back to Joe's story. Can't say I've read a post like this for a long time. Speaking of 'hardship' relatives, I could swap horror stories with him about my sister's life, trials and tribulations. I think every family has their lost sheep. My advice to Joe is: A) Get a full medical checkup. Maybe the doc will find a treatable physiological cause to some of what you are experiencing. B) Start a personal 'illness' journal. (Yes, I know T is not an illness, it's a condition) Take a good look at this article by Natasha W who suffers from bipolar disorder and uses a journal for great theraputic value. She is a good writer. I think that looking back at prior journal entries can give you valuable perspectives into your illness. Read this: Illness Journalling: http://pages.zdnet.com/tatty/mymentaltrampoline/id37.html Jim Susan, Is English your first language or are you an immigrant to the US? I am not suggesting anyone *should* enjoy being raped. It was a saying, perhaps modified to reflect a point, by whoever to be attributed to Confucius. Frankly I doubt very much this was what Confucius said. However, the point implied is very profound. It is that when something is *inevitable* and cannot be changed, one might as well change one's perspective of it and have control over one's attitude towards it. Does this saying espouse one should go out and look for being raped or make rape inevitable? Where did you go to high school? Puerto Rico? Mexico? ================================== > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Susan >> And i was told that Confucius >> once said:"If rape were inevitable, just relax and enjoy yourself!." [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I repeat -- ARE YOU NUTS? The woman was designed by the Lord to do her wifely duty for her husband and allow him to discharge his vital humours and juices into the receptacle of her body - since his essential nature compells him to do this. It is better this way than for him to burn with lust for harlots and then later burn in Hell for his sin. The wife should 'lie back and think of England' during intromission and accept her body's role as the comforter of her husband and for meeting his needs. Hi Eva, >> And i was told that Confucius >> once said:"If rape were inevitable, just relax and enjoy yourself!." > ARE YOU NUTS? Can you read? I bet you can't, because you missed a very important word in a phrase that shows up more than a 100 000 times when you look it up on Google. The word that you missed is INEVITABLE, and I think it's an important word for us. Tinnitus is something you can't run away from, and while it seems crazy to try to enjoy it, there is much truth in the idea itself. If you replace the word rape with tinnitus, you know what he means, and to be honest I must say that the phrase is one of the best things I have ever read by FP. Much better than all the talk about traditional medicine... In the building where I work, you can hear the sound of power drills in nearby rooms about every few weeks, and lots of colleagues are extremely annoyed by those sounds. Not me. When I hear them, and they aren't loud enough to inhibit normal conversation, I simply notice that they're redecorating again, and continue my work in the same mood, knowing that, unlike my tinnitus, the sound will go away. While I may not be enjoying those sounds, I'm completely immune for them, since I habituated to my tinnitus. Confucius was right. If something is really inevitable, you better accept it, and realize that whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. That's probably a Buddhist attitude, and I think it's a healthy one. Now, you may think that I'm nuts too, but the attitude itself is really useful for me, so please forget about the R word, fill in the T word, and then think again. cheers, Enno > If you replace the word rape with tinnitus, you know what he means, and to be > honest I must say that the phrase is one of the best things I have ever read > by FP. Much better than all the talk about traditional medicine... But he didn't replace the word -- plain and simple. For me to know what somebody means, he has to say what he means. Otherwise, it's gibberish. > Confucius was right. If something is really inevitable, you better accept it, > and realize that whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. That's > probably a Buddhist attitude, and I think it's a healthy one. But that's not what he said. I certainly understand that most things that don't kill me make stronger. Rape isn't one of those things. Being raped can ruin a woman's life. You don't get it -- you don't understand at all why I reacted the way I did. It was a thoughtless, foolish, and insensitive remark. > Now, you may think that I'm nuts too, but the attitude itself is really > useful for me, so please forget about the R word, fill in the T word, and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Enno I'm not sure if you're nuts or not. I do know that a word means what it means. If he meant to say something else, he should've said it. Eva Hi Eva, > But that's not what he said. I certainly understand that most things > that don't kill me make stronger. Rape isn't one of those things. > Being raped can ruin a woman's life. Well, I've seen more than one message from people that visit this group and tell us that they feel that their life is ruined by tinnitus. What can we tell them? That there are worse things in life? regards, Enno > Hi Eva, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Enno Yeah, there are always worse things to be had in this life. Sometimes I know what to say to them, and sometimes I just don't. I think one thing that should never be said to a person with brand new tinnitus is that it will never go away. For me, that was the worst thing to hear. I had to be ready to accept that fact before I could/should be told that. I felt like my life was over when the ringing started, and I held onto all kinds of hopes that it would go away someday. Gradually, I realized it wasn't going to leave me and that I could adjust to it with the correct treatment. It's been 12 years, and I hear it all the time. But I just accept that it's there and try to find the joys in life. There are still joys to be had. You just have to not focus on the hard parts. You know, accentuate the positive and eliminate the negative. :) Eva > > If you replace the word rape with tinnitus, you know what he means, and to be > > honest I must say that the phrase is one of the best things I have ever read [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > But that's not what he said. Who is this *he* you are referring to? FP or Confucius? The following is what FP said: FP wrote:"And i was told that Confucius once said:"If rape were inevitable, just relax and enjoy yourself!." Why are you roaring ? FP Eva, Is English your first language or are you an immigrant to the US? I am not suggesting anyone *should* enjoy being raped. It was a saying, perhaps modified to reflect a point, by whoever to be attributed to Confucius. Frankly I doubt very much this was what Confucius said. However, the point implied is very profound. It is that when something is *inevitable* and cannot be changed, one might as well change one's perspective of it and have control over one's attitude towards it. Does this saying espouse one should go out and look for being raped or make rape inevitable? Where did you go to high school? Puerto Rico? Mexico? ================================== > > And i was told that Confucius > > once said:"If rape were inevitable, just relax and enjoy yourself!." [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I repeat -- ARE YOU NUTS? > Eva, > > Is English your first language or are you an immigrant to the US? You are the idiot who can't speak English. It would seem you have a moral comprehension problem, too. I could correct your grammar, but that would be pointless since you can't even understand how offensive you are. > I am not suggesting anyone *should* enjoy being raped. It was a > saying, perhaps modified to reflect a point, by whoever to be [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > attitude towards it. Does this saying espouse one should go out and > look for being raped or make rape inevitable? Your statement compares a medical condition to an act of violence that should earn a rapist a Lorena Bobbit. And should I accept my tinnitus or enjoy it? Get a dictionary. If you had half a brain, you would have taken the word "rape" out of your statement. Had you put it like you did above -- when you realized how stupid it was -- it would have made sense. If tinnitus is inevitable, one has to accept it. But accepting rape is not acceptable. If you wanted to make a point, you should never have used the word rape. Words are powerful, and you obviously don't understand the impact they can have. Saying a woman should just lie back and *enjoy* rape if it were inevitable is a bit of ignorance I cannot comprehend. I thought we'd come out of the dark ages, but you're just a creep who crept out of the woodwork. You're the one who's always in here crying about your tinnitus one day and then claiming you're cured the next. If you had stopped to think for one tiny moment, you would have realized what a stupid thing you said. > Where did you go to high school? Puerto Rico? Mexico? I got my college education where I was born -- in the USA. Can you say the same? When you say something stupid in here and somebody calls you on it, you fall back on third grade insults. Words fail me when I see such blatant ignorance. I also think you had to work long and hard on your response since you copied and pasted the same response to another woman here. Where are the good men in this group? And why aren't you bitch-slapping this fool? Eva >> Eva, >> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Eva I told you all this creepy woman-hater was here to argue. He first said he took a blow to the head. He had his bell rung. I declared him a troll who did NOT suffer tinnitus. That post was angrily denied by our resident Alpha Female, who defended him. I was right, she was wrong. I understood that, as she seems to hate me, so no foul. I bitch-slapped this miserable "Mongolian (his term)" many times and was criticised for it. Go figure. Personally, I just don't read his posts. Don't feed this especially disgusting troll. He's a pathetic excuse for a man. Let this be the last mention of him on this list. > I told you all this creepy woman-hater was here to argue. He first said he > took a blow to the head. He had his bell rung. I declared him a troll who > did NOT suffer tinnitus. That post was angrily denied by our resident Alpha > Female, who defended him. I was right, she was wrong. I understood that, > as she seems to hate me, so no foul. Thank you. I didn't see where you said that. > I bitch-slapped this miserable "Mongolian (his term)" many times and was > criticised for it. Too bad I missed it when you smacked him on his stupid head. > Go figure. Personally, I just don't read his posts. Don't feed this > especially disgusting troll. He's a pathetic excuse for a man. Let this be > the last mention of him on this list. Indeed. I'll not read anything by this ignorant "person" again. Thank you for being one of the good men on this group who can stand up to an idiotic troll. I'll try not to feed him again -- maybe he'll starve and learn to enjoy starvation. :) Eva >> Eva, >> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > Where are the good men in this group? And why aren't you bitch-slapping > this fool? For the same reason I'm not addressing him. It's rising to troll bait and I kill file and ignore him to avoid turning this group into the flame fest it used to be. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Susan You are right, of course. I tried to resist...couldn't. Eva > You are right, of course. I tried to resist...couldn't. > > Eva It happens. You haven't been around for his years of trollage, for which he's well known all over usenet. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Susan Trollage? You must be a Buffy fan. :) Eva > Trollage? You must be a Buffy fan. :) > > Eva Um, well, actually, I've heard of it, but never saw it. :-) Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Susan IMHO, it's an outstanding show. I was sad to see it end. It's definitely worth renting the DVDs. There were 7 seasons, so lots of fun stuff to watch -- if you like camp. Eva Wow. I never expected my post to prompt such a horrible digression. If you folks could get off your collective soapbox and post something helpful it would be appreciated. >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Eva > Wow. I never expected my post to prompt such a horrible digression. > > If you folks could get off your collective soapbox and post something > helpful it would be appreciated. I just waded through your story to try and deduce what was about tinnitus. Your sleep issues, stiff neck, and tinnitus could be the result of numerous things. Those are all symptoms of treatable infections, most commonly tick borne diseases, as my T was. This possibility requires a careful history taking and evaluation by a thoughtful clinician (good luck finding one!). Thyroid dysregulation can also lead to tinnitus and may be a treatable cause. Same for TMJ and/or teeth grinding. I think you need a very careful evaluation of both your physical and emotional state and to approach improvement with various modalities, depending on what's found. Masking, self hypnosis and/or other relaxation methods are always appropriate, even as you treat other potential problems. Susan > Wow. I never expected my post to prompt such a horrible digression. > > If you folks could get off your collective soapbox and post something > helpful it would be appreciated. Joe, I'm really sorry for ever responding and taking you post off-topic. I did try to respond to your original post, but it's probably lost in this mess. This is what I said: I think counselling would be very good for you in dealing with the family problems that are causing you so much stress. Stress is really bad for tinnitus. I will try to stay on topic, I promise. There are occasions when I lose my temper when I read certain things. You'll notice I have successfully resisted rising to the bait today. Elly is right about chiropractors. They can work wonders with back and neck pain. Be careful about the type of chiropractor you see. Some are "thumpers" and some are "snappers." IMHO, you want a "thumper." They are much more gentle and can do amazing things with what seems like very little effort. Good luck! Eva > Wow. I never expected my post to prompt such a horrible digression. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > > Eva Yes, very embarrasing. But often true in any ng, you have learn how to skip over the off-topic stuff. I still think you oughta consider keeping a journal. It'll could help make sense of things over time. If you log your T serverity levels along with environmental factors; after a time you might discover some linkage to environments that make you feel the most comfortable as well as cause the most stress. Environmental factors include your diet, the weather, medications, vitamins, salt, alcohol, soda, caffeine, jet travel; anything physical going on. The journal/self-survey combo can be a pretty powerful self-help discovery tool if your T severity fluctuates at all. Jim Eva Quesnell <equesnel@unm.edu> wrote in part: >Where are the good men in this group? And why aren't you bitch-slapping >this fool? Because he disappeared eons ago when we put him in our killfiles. There is no end of morons with agendas on Usenet. It's best not to devote your time to them. SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > Because he disappeared eons ago when we put him in our killfiles. There is > no end of morons with agendas on Usenet. It's best not to devote your time > to them. Sorry I brought him out of his dark little hidey-hole. It is best not to answer somebody like that -- it does no good. I just couldn't NOT answer the fool. I will do my best to resist. Eva Yes, it is understandable that there are times 'good' people should come to the rescue of those who are unable to help themselves and to do so regardless of moral causes...LOL > Eva Quesnell <equesnel@unm.edu> wrote in part: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Jim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA > Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG On 6/10/06 8:44 AM, in article Pine.LNX.4.62.0606100918500.24793@egor.unm.edu, "Eva Quesnell" <equesnel@unm.edu> wrote: > Where are the good men in this group? And why aren't you bitch-slapping > this fool? Long ago we found that the best attack was to ignore the third graders. The pathology of these persons is easy to understand - their lonliness and the need for someone, anyone, to pay attention to them, no matter what. Since the subject has nothing to do with their ranting, any answer encourages them to go further and further. Once you do stop answering them, they feel an emotional joy at having the last word, as well as a loss at not being answered. You can look and see how they respond when no one answers - they repeat and repeat. Hey it happened to me. I wrote in a legal report, "He was X rayed from Head to Toe". Naturally the plaintiff's attorney was furious, and he kept repeating over and over again Did he have an X ray of his toes? You said he had his toe X rayed. I kept explaining that EVERYONE knows what that means, but if he doesn't I can explain it to him I was referring to the useless practice of taking unnecessary X rays in order to run up the bill. I thought the guy would have a stroke. > Long ago we found that the best attack was to ignore the third graders. The > pathology of these persons is easy to understand - their lonliness and the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > useless practice of taking unnecessary X rays in order to run up the bill. > I thought the guy would have a stroke. Sorry, Murray. I fell into a troll trap. I really should know better, but.... Hey, I'm off to go see STOMP this afternoon. It is a fantastic show I've seen before, but must go see it again! And if anybody wonders, no, it's not that loud. I wear an earplug in my left ear when they get going, but otherwise it's a real hoot!!! Eva Frances, You were an insensitive boob for your remark. Your point would have been well taken if you substituted the word 'rape' for 'torture'. It should be obvious to you by now. It doesnt matter if you were right or wrong in your analogies or logic. Sometimes you just have to defer to your readerships emotions and sensitivities. Frances Poon Haters, Frances suffers from T like all of us. It prolly drives us all crazy sometimes. We may have bad days and write provocative things because of it. Try to see thru the occasional tirades and misused/abused words. We're all just trying to get some support. I believe Francis, maybe more than anyone, uses this ng as a personal illness journal. That may be frustrating for some that dont want to read his train-of-thought remarks but it may bring psychological relief for him. Use your killfiles and ignore if you cannot find the empathy. In a support group people should feel free to express themselves and not be ridiculed or judged. There are no angels here. And, if we'd just try to keep on topic... Jim FranCIS---male gender FranCES--female gender Did your high school teacher tell you about this important difference? ======================== > Frances, > You were an insensitive boob for your remark. Your point would have [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > And, if we'd just try to keep on topic... > Jim > Frances, > You were an insensitive boob for your remark. Your point would have [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > And, if we'd just try to keep on topic... > Jim When you're right, you're right, although people should also use a little common sense in what they say here. I will refrain from responding to this person again. I'm sorry, Joe, if I took your post off topic. I got distracted by a bit of idiocy. I was also a little overwhelmed by the many problems you listed. I think counselling would be very good for you in dealing with the family problems that are causing you so much stress. Stress is really bad for tinnitus. I will try to stay on topic, I promise. There are occasions when I lose my temper when I read certain things. You'll notice I have successfully resisted rising to the bait today. Elly is right about chiropractors. They can work wonders with back and neck pain. Be careful about the type of chiropractor you see. Some are "thumpers" and some are "snappers." IMHO, you want a "thumper." They are much more gentle and can do amazing things with what seems like very little effort. Good luck! Eva > > Eva, > > > > Is English your first language or are you an immigrant to the US? > > You are the idiot who can't speak English. How do you know that? Have you heard my spoken English? When you say someone can't speak English, is it because he is UNABLE TO or ...does not do so because of other reasons? Please carefully distinguish the difference between BEING UNABLE TO do something or NOT DOING something because of whatever reasons. You see, English is not your first language. Isn't it??? It would seem you have a moral > comprehension problem, too. I could correct your grammar, but that would > be pointless since you can't even understand how offensive you are. What has the correction of grammar got to do with being offensive from your perspective? Moral comprehension by whose standard? Yours? Is yours the yardstick of moral comprehension for people all over? > > I am not suggesting anyone *should* enjoy being raped. It was a > > saying, perhaps modified to reflect a point, by whoever to be [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Your statement compares a medical condition to an act of violence that > should earn a rapist a Lorena Bobbit. It was not *my* statement, your fool. Go and read again. I *was told* Confucius said that. And the point was NOT to compare a medical condition to rape but to demonstrate our attitude towards something that is INEVITABLE. Look up the word INEVITABLE and get a grip, you stupid! And where does that part "that should earn a rapist a Lorena Bobbit" come in? You just open up your mouth and sh.t. Don't you? And should I accept my tinnitus or > enjoy it? Whether or not you *should* or *shouldn't* is entirely up to you. There is no universal standard to this act. It was a suggestion from a quote, NOT from me! Argue with the statement quoted, not with me. Get a dictionary. If you had half a brain, you would have > taken the word "rape" out of your statement. Had you put it like you did > above -- when you realized how stupid it was -- it would have made sense. > If tinnitus is inevitable, one has to accept it. But accepting rape is > not acceptable. When something is INEVITABLE, what are your alternatives? You can choose to scream and shout and end up being in a worse situation, or you can make an effort to alter your attitude towards something and make the consequences less harmful. This is a matter of choices. If you disagree with a certain set of choices, it is entirely your own pre-rogative but that does not make the other choices wrong. > If you wanted to make a point, you should never have used the word rape. But i was quoting liternally what I *heard*. Why should I not have used it? Who decides? YOU? Who are you? Is there any benchmark upon which whatever examples used have to be based? Words are powerful, and you obviously don't understand the impact they can > have. Different people react to it differently. So stop speaking on behalf of everyone in the world. Actually let me tell you a TRUE story. A girl i know hitched a ride from a motorcyclist and was taken to a remote and horribly quiet place....Having known the true intention of the cyclist and facing something INEVITABLE, she just relaxed and allowed the act to be completed. She was not harmed physically but she would have been if she had resisted; she might even have been killed...later on, the cyclist took her to where she had wanted to go and did not charge for the ride... Saying a woman should just lie back and *enjoy* rape if it were > inevitable is a bit of ignorance I cannot comprehend. NO one here has said a woman SHOULD have enjoyed whatever. It was a quote, you stupid! So should I have used another quote that suggests a woman should resist, fight back... even at the risk of losing her life????? Is that what you think I *should* have quoted? I thought we'd come > out of the dark ages, but you're just a creep who crept out of the > woodwork. You're the one who's always in here crying about your tinnitus > one day and then claiming you're cured the next. If you had stopped to > think for one tiny moment, you would have realized what a stupid thing you > said. Do you mean what a stupid thing Confucius said, right? Yes, Confucius said that when it was in the dark ages. But i also believe whatever he said in the dark ages is also applicable to the modern days. > > Where did you go to high school? Puerto Rico? Mexico? > > I got my college education where I was born -- in the USA. Can you say > the same? Of course... When you say something stupid in here and somebody calls you on > it, you fall back on third grade insults. Words fail me when I see such > blatant ignorance. I also think you had to work long and hard on your [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Where are the good men in this group? And why aren't you bitch-slapping > this fool? So you have failed to debate in a civlized manner with me and you need men who you deem *good* to come to your rescue. Right? Are you feeling helpless being confronted intellectually by your interlocutor??? So should I summon the good women in this group and bastard-slap you too in order to wake you up? Come again, girl. Go back and enrol in more courses from the Affirmative Action programs in the UA. FP > Eva Hi Joe, > Symptoms -- I'm not having just tinnitus. I have a lot of neck pain, > particularly high up in the back of my neck (cervical spine). I also feel a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of tiny bugs falling onto a still pond, each one causing a flash with > ripples radiating out. Weird, eh? In another message, you mentioned high blood pressure, and pulsatile tinnitus. How's your blood pressure now? IMO, it may contribute to the symptoms you describe here, so I would certainly try to do something about it. > Medications -- By noon I generally have to start taking the Alleve, I'm glad you stopped that, but there are lots of sources on the net that say that medications like these are dangerous for your hearing, see http://www.lhh.org/otology/ototoxic.htm > Stress Factors -- Hey, folks...I'm living in a soap opera. I won't repeat the joke quoted by FP here, but may I ask about your attitude with respect to your family? What I mean is, do you love and respect them all, no matter what they do or did? I think that, for your own stress level, it makes a lot of difference whether you condemn the actions or your family or accept them and realize that they made (some/lots of) bad decisions in life, that you literally have to live with anyway. If you accept the way they live, and realize that you love them, and that you can and will help them when they really need help, it will probably reduce your personal stress quite a bit, and that's probably what Confucius was talking about, albeit in a different context than the R word. I'm not saying that you should change your moral standards, but I want to ask you to reflect on your own attitude with respect to all the things that you mentioned. If you try too hard to correct things, it will get to you, and it won't help your loved ones either. You'd better go with the flow, and concentrate on realistic things that you *can* change. Assuming that your tension is caused by the these stress factors, it's sort of logical that a chiropractor isn't much help, because he or she is just treating the symptoms, just like the medication does. And if you can't change the alleged cause, i.e. your family, on short term, I would strongly advise you to reflect on the way you deal with all these. I realize that this may sound too much like Dr. Phil, but I strongly believe that your personal attitude has a large effect on your health. Pulsatile tinnitus is probably one of the easier types to treat, if you can reduce your blood pressure, so I really think that should take the opportunity to help yourself. cheers, Enno On 6/10/06 6:45 AM, in article EdSdna4thqh-URfZnZ2dnUVZ8s-dnZ2d@casema.nl, > Hi Joe, > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > Enno It's not easy to change the stress factors - change and get a nice boss - have your husband quit drinking, etc etc and heaven help you if you have a 17 year old. But anyone can change their breathing for one minute and look in the mirror to SEE the face relax. See www.ent-consult.com When muscle biofeedback is successful in Tinnitus, we don't change the person's environment and stressors, what we do is relax the muscles which reduces the anxiety re-inforcement that make the T worse. |
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