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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / May 2006Coffee and tinnitus
Coffee keeps me awake and being awake without occasional naps seems to have improved my T. But I've read that coffee may aggravate T. Whatever works I guess. Dont go w/o sleep though. Thant cant be too good. Talking about coffee drinking, please let me share a bit of experience with you. ***instant coffee: instant coffee can make some people suffer from constipation. The reason is there is quite a bit of 'fire/yan' energy in instant coffee and the 'fire' is acquired in the roasting process. I used to drink a lot when I was a student in California and it took me a long time to discover that. If anyone suffers from constipation as a result of drinking instant coffee, the way to obviate the undesirable outcome is either to stop it or to drink beer to counteract the 'fire/yan' energy. I usually drink non-alcoholic beer to help balance the yin and yan energy of my body. ***I have very little problem with brewed coffee. As a matter of fact, I am very fond of brewed coffee. It is a part of my spiritual life! I will not drink coffee after 4pm. While drinking instant coffee keeps me awake throughout the night, I don't have this problem with brewed coffee, partly because there is much less 'fire' energy in it to keep me awake. > Talking about coffee drinking, please let me share a bit of experience > with you. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > 'fire/yan' energy. I usually drink non-alcoholic beer to help balance > the yin and yan energy of my body. Eating more fiber gets rid of constipation for me. > ***I have very little problem with brewed coffee. As a matter of fact, > I am very fond of brewed coffee. It is a part of my spiritual life! I > will not drink coffee after 4pm. While drinking instant coffee keeps > me awake throughout the night, I don't have this problem with brewed > coffee, partly because there is much less 'fire' energy in it to keep > me awake. I thought it was the caffeine. Martin wrote:"I thought it was the caffeine. " Both! Excessive amount of fire energy in the body system makes a person restless. Too much pan-fried food or barbicued meat does that to the body, and one of the more convenient ways to neutralize it is to drink beer, preferrably non-alcoholic beer. > Martin wrote:"I thought it was the caffeine. " > > Both! Excessive amount of fire energy in the body system makes a > person restless. Too much pan-fried food or barbicued meat does that > to the body, and one of the more convenient ways to neutralize it is to > drink beer, preferrably non-alcoholic beer. But coffee is a low calorie drink. It doesn't have much energy in it, so when you say "fire energy," you aren't actually talking about energy. What *are* you talking about? >>Martin wrote:"I thought it was the caffeine. " >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > when you say "fire energy," you aren't actually talking about energy. > What *are* you talking about? He's talking about the energy theory in traditional Chinese medicine. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > He's talking about the energy theory in traditional Chinese medicine. Then the coffee doesn't have fire energy in it. Rather, it causes the body to release energy. > Then the coffee doesn't have fire energy in it. Rather, it causes the > body to release energy. It's not a distinction I give a hoot about. I just love coffee. Susan It is not energy in terms of calories. Perhaps energy is the wrong word to be used to describe what the traditional Chinese medical practitioners are saying. However, regardless of what they say, the more relevant issue is whether it applies to you. For example, if you had been suffering from constipaiton and the additional intake of veg fibre has not helped, you might want to pour a can of non-alcoholic beer into your body as the first thing you get up in the morning, and see how it goes! > It is not energy in terms of calories. Perhaps energy is the wrong > word to be used to describe what the traditional Chinese medical [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > beer into your body as the first thing you get up in the morning, and > see how it goes! Quite possibly, since beer contains a lot of fiber. Also green beans... but not red beans. Both have equal amount of fibre, I believe. So how can you explain? > Also green beans... but not red beans. Both have equal amount of > fibre, I believe. So how can you explain? Explain what? Increasing fiber relieves constipation. But red beans cannot do the job. Then aside from constipation, how about gum inflamation and tooth pain that are caused by the intake of too much pan-fried or barbicued or roasted food. Last year, my secretary in Vancouver was suffering from gum inflamation. She went to one dentist and had the check-up of her teeth. There was nothing wrong with the teeth. So the doctor gave her some anti-biotics but to no avail. She went to see another dentist, and was told to get ready for an operation of teeth, because the roots of the teeth were 'rotten', according to the second dentist. She was about to do that before I came to visit her. While I was staying in her house, I noticed that she loved to eat pan-fried potato each morning and she liked to have the potato pan-fried to be almost charcoal-burned. I advised her to stop eating pan-fried food for a while and at the same time drink cans of non-alcoholic beer and green bean soup. In a week's time, all that gum inflammation from which she had been suffering for months was gone! This phenomenon has nothing to do with fibre, but everything to do with the yin 'energy' in alcoholic beer and green beans that is used to neutralize the excessive amount of yan(fire) 'energy' generated from pan-fried food. > But red beans cannot do the job. You mean they don't work for you? > Then aside from constipation, how about gum inflamation and tooth pain > that are caused by the intake of too much pan-fried or barbicued or > roasted food. What does this have to do with coffee? Increasing fiber is a standard treatment for constipation. > Last year, my secretary in Vancouver was suffering from gum > inflamation. She went to one dentist and had the check-up of her [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > beer and green beans that is used to neutralize the excessive amount of > yan(fire) 'energy' generated from pan-fried food. Why don't you publish a paper? Martin wrote:"What does this have to do with coffee?" According to the 'theory' I explained before, intant coffee causes constipation in some people while brewed coffee does not have that property. Martine wrote:"Increasing fiber is a standard treatment for constipation." It is a standard treatment for constipation in *some* schools of thought. I was demonstrating to you that in *other* schools of thought balancing the energy field in the body system is the 'standard treatment'. fyfpoon wrotel:" Last year, my secretary in Vancouver was suffering from gum > inflamation. She went to one dentist and had the check-up of her > teeth. There was nothing wrong with the teeth. So the doctor gave her [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > beer and green beans that is used to neutralize the excessive amount of > yan(fire) 'energy' generated from pan-fried food. >>Martin replied:"Why don't you publish a paper?" There is a WIDE body of liternature out there in this universe that talks about how the the alignment of yin and yan energy in human body system can lead to good health and the obviation of various body discomfort, except that these liternatures may not be printed in English or may be in English but may not be sold around where you live. >Martin wrote:"What does this have to do with coffee?" > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >balancing the energy field in the body system is the 'standard >treatment'. And then I asked what you mean by energy, and you were unable or unwilling to explain. Increasing fiber as a standard treatment for constipation isn't from a school of thought. It is known to work based on scientific experimentation and, later, finding the explanation for why it works. >fyfpoon wrotel:" Last year, my secretary in Vancouver was suffering >from gum [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >discomfort, except that these liternatures may not be printed in >English or may be in English but may not be sold around where you live. There is also a wide body of knowledge on scurvy, and your friends problem sounds like the early stage of that. Vitamin C deficiency causes scurvy, and vitamin C is used as a preservative in beer. I think it is also found in green beans. But I asked why you don't publish a paper about your theory that eating pan-fried food for breakfast causes inflamation of the gums. It would be interesting to know how this works. You have also claimed your theory has nothing to do with fiber. You must have verified this somehow, and it would be interesting to read that explanation. It would also be interesting hear how you verified that your friend's cure was not simply achieved by her no longer eating charcoal for breakfast. ***I am UNable, althought willing, to explain to you the meaning of 'energy' as used by traditional Chinese doctors. I am no doctor myself but balancing the yin and yan thing has been constantly done by me over past years. The idea is to get the body feel comfortable. Another example is coughing. Whenever I have a cough, the kind of coughing I suffer from usually hardly ends if I drink beer during this time period. As a matter of fact, it exacerbates it! On the other hand, drinking a moderate amount of whisky even helps its recovery. The reason, according to my own experience for something happening in my body, and according to the explanation given by doctor, is that my kind of coughing belongs to the 'yin' category, and the use of beer adds to the amount of 'yin' energy already in excess and makes it worse. On the other hand, the use of 'yan' energy, represented here by whisky, helps neutralize the 'yin' part and makes it well. I don't invent this theory. It is like folk medical practice that is common sense to the people living in this part of the world for the past thousands of year. ***on the question of my friend's gum inflammation problem, you may be right with your vitamin C explanation. I was simply trying to explain that from the perspective of the Chinese traditional medical practice. Both your western and the traditional Chinese medical approaches may amount to be the same thing. ***I told you that there is a wide body of liternature in TCM that talks about yin and yan thing. I am no doctor and I don't see anything interesting for me to publish something which is so laughably common in this part of the world. ***I am not suggesting whether my theory or the theory of TCM(traditional Chinese medicine) has anything to do with either fibre or vitamin C. I simply pointed out the use of red beans, which also contain fibre, desn't work for *me* and the herb doctors don't prescribe red beans but only green beans for the kind of constipation problem caused by eating roasted, pan-fried and barbicued food. ***There is no question that stopping the intake of pan-fried charcoal-burnt potato helps directly to arrest the gum inflammation of my secretary friend---by the way, she was a typical WASP lady who finally subscribed to the yin and yan phenomenon--but the use of non-alcoholic beer and green beans certainly sped up the recovery. How do I verifiy this relationship? I have been doing this with the past years of my life experiences. If you come to visit the southern part of China, you will find herb tea shops proliferating like wild fire everywhere. Each outfit sells herb teas of various kinds, and each kind is meant to achieve a certain health purpose. This herb tea culture has been in existence for the past perhaps thousands of years. Mind you, i don't think anyone has put them through 'controlled' experiments or studies. These outfits are still in existence today as a result of the market demand created for herb tea of various kinds by people out of need, not out of hallucination. Many British and Europeans living in Hong Kong are also frequent patronizers of herb tea shops for the yin and yan balancing acts of their bodies. The former governor of HK Christ Pattern, a typical WASP, always went for herb tea, as that guy loved to eat roasted food from the bakery. Perhaps they are all wrong and whatever discomfort they feel of their bodies has come about because of a herb tea conspiracy detectable by'controlled' studies...LOL. > ***I am UNable, althought willing, to explain to you the meaning of > 'energy' as used by traditional Chinese doctors. I am no doctor myself [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > theory. It is like folk medical practice that is common sense to the > people living in this part of the world for the past thousands of year. It isn't a theory. It is as you say, folk medicine. > ***on the question of my friend's gum inflammation problem, you may be > right with your vitamin C explanation. I was simply trying to explain > that from the perspective of the Chinese traditional medical practice. > Both your western and the traditional Chinese medical approaches may > amount to be the same thing. But if my explanation applies in your friends case, it was ascorbic acid that fixed the problem. > ***I told you that there is a wide body of liternature in TCM that > talks about yin and yan thing. I am no doctor and I don't see anything [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > because of a herb tea conspiracy detectable by'controlled' > studies...LOL. In article <1147093456.564272.13820@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, fyfpoon@gmail.com wrote: > > ***There is no question that stopping the intake of pan-fried > > charcoal-burnt potato helps directly to arrest the gum inflammation of [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > because of a herb tea conspiracy detectable by'controlled' > > studies...LOL. I'm not criticizing TCM. I'm criticizing the way you talk about it. Here is one for you. I have a pain in one foot directly under the heel. The MRI showed there was no visible medical problem. It has been present for about four months. Apparently it is not inflammation of the tendons, since it is only directly under the heel. An exercise expert suggested that there might not be enough fat there to prevent the bone from impacting to hard on the floor. He suggested softer shoes for training. I have tried softer shoes, but there has been no improvement. What would TCM say I should try? You have to realize first of all that I am no doctor, eastern or western, and thus my explanation of a certain phenomenon may not be up to the mark of a medical professional. At any rate, for your particular question, I think the pain you are experiencing in that part of your leg is due to the circulatory problem there. By that, I mean a certain blockage has occurred either of blood flow or of certain 'Chi' (which i explain to be a kind of energy but not calories). There is a special term for that ailment in TCM but I don't know what it is in English. If you can find a herb doctor where you are---provided he is not a quack, he may be able to take care of your problem. At the same time, I will try to find the equivalent in western medical terminology of this special TCM term for you if possible. Years ago I had a similar problem but the X rate at that time showed an outgrowth of a pointed bone structure. But if I were you, I would do the following: (1)Buy a pair of soles made of hard materials and make a hole onto which your heel falls in order to reduce the pressure on the contact point of your heel with the sole. That is to say, allow the area surrounding the hole to support your heel. (2)soak you leg into a large bucket of warm salted water before going to bed daily. (3)Buy a vibrator and vibrate that part which feels most painful. The idea is to help unblock whatever that blocks the flow. I did that before. In the beginning it was very painful but later on the pain progressively disappeared... On 5/6/06 9:56 AM, in article burning.giraffe-9D3BBD.18562606052006@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net, "Martin Smith" <burning.giraffe@meltingclock.bis> wrote: > He's talking about the energy theory in traditional Chinese medicine. Actually its not traditional Chinese medicine. Much of the "modern" talk is recent "invention" and marketing. None of the respected practitioners I deal with use those marketing terms. Fire energy? Drink non-alcoholic beer? What imagination! The test of a pudding is in the eating. Ok. So which flavor of pudding did you say helps your T? j/k (1)diurectic (not HCTZ) to begin with, thinking it could release the 'suspected' excessive inner ear fluid. But this turned out not the case later on. However, when it was first used, it seemed to bring about some release. That particular diuretics produced more or less the same function as betahistine, except that it does not make people asleep. So I took diuretics in the morning and betahistine at night. (2)gingko biloba. I experienced my T transformed from a 'brain ring' into a 'drum ring' after taking the pill. Now, after so many months, I am still taking it but from time to time take it off for a day or two. But I am not taking aspirin at the same time. (3)After (1) and (2), my T was under control but there were 4 -5 days out of a week life was still miserable. There was a cluster of discomfort moving from side to side in my head. When it was on my left side, things got very irritating, the T together with the bursting vibration caused a bit of vomitting in me from time to time, while on my right side, things got better. I described this phenomenon on numerous occasions in this ng and to the doctors in China. The response I got from the online doctors in this ng was habituation and habituation, while the ones in China tried to inject various kinds of solutions into my body intravenously in order to unblock whatever they believed was blocking in that part of my brain. (4)I went to see a chiropractor, after a few treatments, I began to relate what was happening inside my head to what happened in my stiff neck. (5)I ran into an acupuncturist in Vancouver. After 2 treatments, 90% of the discomfort on both sides of my head disappeared ! I then took the courage to get off medication which at that time consisted of diurectics and betahistine. I still kept gingko and have been doing that since. According to this acupuncturist, the cause of my discomfort was due to a pitched nerve in my spine. She asked me to stretch my neck or spine at home with a air pumping device. I once showed to the people in this ng. (6)The subsequent visits to the same acupuncturist did not bring about any more improvement. (7)I came back to China and went to visit another acupuncturist. The new one brought about more improvement. This time he prescribed some herbs for me in addition to the acu-treatment. I somehow did not find the herbs prescribed by him to be useful at all. (8)I went teaching English in a small Chinese village last year and a 'peasant' doctor prescribed me this pill named QIJU DIHUANGWAN. She prescribes this pill to whoever for general health-improving purpose. Some women who are going through menopause find their periods come more often after taking this pill. I found I had a bit of diahrea after taking this pill. I told her about that and she said I could take whatever amount I see fit and do not have to do it on a daily basis. Take it whenever I like it and with whatever amount my body feels comfortable. Mind you, this med seems to have brought about a much quieter T. Now, I still have several bottle in my home. I just take it whenever I like and I choose the quantity of what I take. You can buy this pill in Chinatown, I suppose. It is very common here, like multivitamin pills used by the folks where you are. So my T now is very quiet! I think there is a CENTRAL cause of a person's T. But in the process of development, this central cause may branch into other causes and things get very confusing. This is why I recommend you guys to 'try everything' rather than to attempt to isolate a cause. Since you have been to the best 'modern' doctors, why not try what I have been going through. You never know, the cause of your T can be very simple. Perhaps you get your spine pitched and a few visits to a chiro can do the wonders. Or the use of a wrapped towel to support your neck while you sleep can bail you out of your tormenting illness...or the use of gingko biloba can bring about immediate effect. It did it in my case. or perhaps an acu-treatment. Some American patients testified here they got the impact. So it is different strokes for different folks! Usually you can tell very soon if something works or not. If something works, stick to it for a long time. It it does not work, you can either drop it or keep it for a while longer provided it does not cause any harm and in the process add onto it another treatment. Go and try! You have met the best 'modern' high-tech doctors already and nothing from them has worked for you. It is time for you to move to the 'alternative'. "jga.socal" <jganders@gmail.com> wrote in part: >But I've read that coffee may aggravate T. Who gives a ****?  SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG > "jga.socal" <jganders@gmail.com> wrote in part: > >>But I've read that coffee may aggravate T. > > Who gives a ****? Not I. I'd rather have tinnitus than have no coffee. Fortunately, it's not a problem for me. Susan Not sure of what who should not to give a **** about. Google of 'tinnitus coffee'. First link: -American Academy of Otolaryngology-Head and Neck Surgery- Tinnitus Treatments "Avoid stimulants such as coffee, tea, cola, and tobacco." > Not sure of what who should not to give a **** about. > Google of 'tinnitus coffee'. First link: > -American Academy of Otolaryngology-Head and Neck Surgery- > Tinnitus Treatments > "Avoid stimulants such as coffee, tea, cola, and tobacco." Coffee doesn't make my T worse. Even if it did, it would be temporary. It doesn't cause progression of severity or permanent harm. I occoasionally drink red wine, too, which also fails to worsen my T. Susan > Not sure of what who should not to give a **** about. > Google of 'tinnitus coffee'. First link: > -American Academy of Otolaryngology-Head and Neck Surgery- > Tinnitus Treatments > "Avoid stimulants such as coffee, tea, cola, and tobacco." Different strokes -- I gave up caffeine for a year in the early tinnitus years. It didn't make a bit of difference, so I went back to my one big cup every morning. Eva It depends on the individual reaction. I drink coffee quite often and red wine once in a while. I have not found any of that bothering me. Don't assign too much importance to the theories espoused by 'medical authorities'. They are in the 'publish or perish' business. |
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