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Steve Payne - 30 Apr 2006 15:20 GMT
So last weekend, I'm watching a program on TV - a call in show where a
doctor is there to answer the callers questions. Its a legitimite show
in that the doctor is not trying to sell anything. A person calls in and
says they have tinnitus and the doctor first indicates that there isn't
a whole lot of understanding about the condition, but there have been
some studies that have shown that  niacin has helped some people. He
says try taking about 50mg of Niacin once a day - If you can stand the
"flushing", try it for a week or two - and if it seems to improve things
you can up it to 100mg / day and as high as 500mg / day as your body
adjusts to the niacin and again - "if you can stand the flushing".

So I says to myself, "What the hell, its worth a try" and I head down to
the local drug store and mull through the vitamins and find they have
Niacin in two bottles - 200 mg 60 capsules and 500mg 100 capsules. So I
figure, geesh its just a vitamin B3 supplement what harm can it do?  I
grab the 500mg - I mean hell, there isn't any warning on the bottle.

I take one after lunch on Sunday and can't say I felt any affect. I
forget to take one on Monday morning, so I take one after supper on
Monday evening and head to bed at around 10:00 - no affect.

Tuesday morning I have a couple cups of coffee - no breakfast - pop
500mg of Niacin and head out the door to work.

Three guesses as to what happened to me about an hour and a half later
at work!

I'm sure Dr. Grossan has it figured out by now. One thing is for certain
-I'm not taking Niacin anymore!

Steve
Susan - 30 Apr 2006 15:36 GMT
> Three guesses as to what happened to me about an hour and a half later
> at work!
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> Steve

Yep, that's a dose that'll do it.  Empty stomach, too?  YIKES.

How long til you turned back to your natural color and stopped feeling
like bugs were crawling all over you?

Now you know what menopause feels like.  ;-)

Susan
Murray Grossan - 30 Apr 2006 19:51 GMT
On 4/30/06 7:36 AM, in article 4bk0aqF11rtnbU1@individual.net, "Susan"
<nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:

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> Susan

True story. I had a stock broker on liquid slow release niacin ( not for
tinnitus) . He took the liquid straight from the bottle and would often
flush. Everyone thought he was an alcoholic and was reacting to the stock
market.
Martin Smith - 30 Apr 2006 18:37 GMT
> So last weekend, I'm watching a program on TV - a call in show where a
> doctor is there to answer the callers questions. Its a legitimite show
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>
> Steve

What happened? I've never had any trouble with niacin. I've never taken
it for tinnitus, but I've never had any trouble with it.
Murray Grossan - 30 Apr 2006 19:49 GMT
On 4/30/06 7:20 AM, in article WI35g.14493$ZQ3.6937@twister.nyroc.rr.com,

> So last weekend, I'm watching a program on TV - a call in show where a
> doctor is there to answer the callers questions. Its a legitimite show
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>
> Steve
First of all whoever sold you the stuff should be shot. There is a hell of a
difference in the slow release vs the straight release. Unless you are
warned and prepared for it, that flush can be frightening. It has no effect
on the inner ear circulation. And circulation to the inner ear is rarely a
cause of tinnitus.
Steve Payne - 30 Apr 2006 20:58 GMT
> On 4/30/06 7:20 AM, in article WI35g.14493$ZQ3.6937@twister.nyroc.rr.com,
>
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> on the inner ear circulation. And circulation to the inner ear is rarely a
> cause of tinnitus.

I'm sitting at my desk and all of a sudden I get a tremendous rush to my
head and I'm feeling light-headed. I have about 15 seconds  to realize
that if this doesn't subside I'm going to pass out. It didn't subside
and when a coworker called me over to look at something, I turned and
the next thing I knew I was on the floor looking up at concerned faces.
When I came to my senses, they helped me back into my chair and things
began to feel normal again. ( probably within 10 minutes ). I had an
abrasion on my forehead and a nice gash on the bridge of my nose [
probably hit my head on the desk on the way down ].

The emergency response team rushed into action and checked my vitals (
pulse, blood sugar, blood pressure etc ) BP was a tad low for me 120-80,
but not anything alarming.  The nurse asked me if I was on any new
medication or if I ate anything different that morning. I mentioned the
Niacin and she immediately said "That's a vasodilator". In any event, I
walked out and took a ride to the hospital for precautionary reasons and
they hooked me up to an EKG and did all the BP and pulse checks. etc.
Everything normal and the heart was unwavering. After talking about my
tinnitus and the niacin - the doctor asked "Well, did the ringing in
your ears go way?". I shook my head and sadly responded that it hadn't.
He said, "I only asked, because there have been cases where a good knock
in the head has made it go away for some people!". He told me that the
niacin would unlikely help my tinnitus and I should stop taking it.  He
mentioned that niacin works as a vasodilator and can lower your blood
pressure and by taking it on an empty stomach it probably did it faster
than my system was able to handle - and thats probably why I fainted.

I did a quick search on the web on Niacin and Tinnitus and there are
many hits, so the two aren't completely uncoupled, but for any one that
is reading about it and considering it for tinnitus - my recommendation
based on experience is - the tinnitus is preferable to the side affect!

Now - if you have high blood pressure, you might want to speak with your
physician about it.

Steve
Susan - 30 Apr 2006 21:18 GMT
> First of all whoever sold you the stuff should be shot. There is a hell of a
> difference in the slow release vs the straight release.

It's perfectly legal to sell it, Murray, though I do believe it should
have a heads up on the label.  I used to take 6 grams at a time.  The
flush diminishes over time.

OTOH, high enough doses to do any good can also be hepatotoxic, and this
is even more true with slow release forms.

 Unless you are
> warned and prepared for it, that flush can be frightening.

That's the truth!

 It has no effect
> on the inner ear circulation. And circulation to the inner ear is rarely a
> cause of tinnitus.

But it's a great sleep inducer, and HDL cholesterol promoter.

Susan

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