Jim, Elly has been posting here for a great many years.  She's well
known to us, and has never attempted to sell commercial products here
that I'm aware of.

I disagree with almost everything she posts, but I don't doubt her motives.

Susan

On 4/29/06 2:04 PM, in article
1146344677.367483.180580@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "jga.socal"
<jganders@gmail.com> wrote:

A. Elly's responses and recommendations are sincere
B. How else would one hear about any product? Suppose this is a good
product? Why can't this be useful information.
C. Elly has spoken about and listed a clinic in ? Norway that she feels does
good work. I absolutely guarantee she has no commercial interest there.
D. I think you are barking up the wrong tree and knowing Elly's history I
take offence at selecting her for criticism.
E. this is a patient helping patient site, a newsgroup. Nothing wrong with
someone suggesting a therapy that they, as a patient, think helps them and
might help others. This is not a peer review journal.

Murray Grossan

This is a newsgroup and not a place for personal attacks.
If you must make personal attacks, you can get a blog or write to the
individual personally, but please not to the group. It drives away other
real tinnitus persons, and those who who might contribute,  like it did in
the days of the "captain".

Speaking of commercials, REMEMBER Bora Bora Juice is picked by maidens in
the moonlight and is guaranteed to be as effective as any placebo. And you
can win an all expense paid trip to Bora Bora to get your juice. Just send
me  money.  

Wow. Oh boy, That must have taken you some time. Thank you so much for
your endorsements for Quiescence. Now on with the job:

I get no payment from Quiescence - never have done.

They are NOT paid endorsements.

I repeat the above. I simply want to help people.

It is.

They don't. Ask them.

Yes, I want people to come to my website. There is more useful
information there than anywhere else on the web.
NO, they are not compensating me.

I am also a computer tutor. There are thousands of people out there
who would have no idea on how to copy-n-paste links. It is much
simpler for them to simply click on a link.

All commercial links are there because of my goodwill. Nobody is
paying me.

Elly's Tinnitus Resources
http://eebee.net/

Why are you slamming Elly?  What I don't like is spam that is not related or
cross-posting.  However, Elly is always showing all these new treatments.
We can shoot them down or like them,  but I'm glad to be informed and given
the chance to decide for myself if I think it is believable.

This is In response to Elly Byrne's answer to me in her topic "Most
often asked questions" April 22, 2006:

The surge in internet marketing, affiliate marketing, adword/adsense,
referbacks, etc, has, unfortunately encouraged many, otherwise well
intentioned people, to become paid product promoters, link spammers.
All they need is a website. Particularly vunerable to falling into the
trap are those operating well established websites that get a lot of
hits. Vendors can easily find busy websites in their target market and
offer easy money to the operators to place innocuous links on their
website.  When someone clicks on the link, the vendor's webserver can
see the 'refering website' and pay that websites owners for the click.

Elly's post "Most often asked questions" April 22, 2006, conforms
perfectly to that model of internet marketing.
1. She provides the post with a plug for quiescence.  Note that the
post tries to deceive the reader by offering some other (meaningless)
content first. The real topic is the quienscence promotion.
2. She provides a link to a dedicated quiescence page on her website.
Note that if she provided a direct link to quiescence in the post she
would not get credit for clicks because the quiescence server would not
see her URL as the referrer.
3. Her quiescence page is obviously a dedicated, promotional page for
the product, although not presented as such.
4. Her page links directly to the product website.  When you click a
link to the product page their server will log a click from her website
and pay her some amount ($.50 ?) via monthly checks.

Folks. This is a deceptive and disingenuous form of marketing.

It is unfortunate because Elly has provided some truly 'interesting'
and entertaining content in her website over the years. Her dedication
and passion to the Tinnitus cause has given her website high rankings
in the various search engines due to the proliferance of her website
address in newsgroup postings and websites that value her website
content.  If, in her posts and her quiescence page, she prominently
displayed "Paid Endorsement", then I would have no problem with her
activies. She is trying to capitalize on, what used to be, her good
name and experience with Tinnitus.  I pity the desparate, new Tinnitus
sufferers who buy T products because they think the product must be
good because Elly Byrne recommends them. Is it possible they will
suffer a little more due to her duplicity?
Those of you who have recognized this transformation of Elly's
motivations over the last months may have just chosen to ignore it. I
have been reading this newsgroup for a couple years.  I still think
like a newbie and know how desparate new Tinnitus sufferers can be,
having tried T-Gone years ago with zero results. For the most part I
feel that people who have posted in this newsgroup in the last 2 years
have been motivated by passion in the subject and their desire to help
others.  I have really enjoyed reading here.  However, I just have to
speak up regarding Elly. Her posts have become more and more spammish
the last few months and now, with her latest post, I feel she is simply
using the newsgroup as a marketing tool for her own financial
interests.  In her latest post "Most often asked questions" April 22,
2006 I asked her about her financial connection to quiescence (I wont
duplicate the product URL here cuz that only serves to promote them in
search engines).  She answered:

"I do not have a financial stake in Quiescence or any other product on
my website. I simply suggest things that I think could be useful to
some people. My motivation? I simply want to help people. ..."

I find this answer to be totally without credibility. Look at the
wording of her posted quote:

"Press Release Body - Tinnitus, a condition of ringing or buzzing in
the ears, afflicts over 40 million Americans, and millions more people
worldwide. A quarter of these people are severely debilitated,  said
Dr. Dennis Woo (PhD), Vice President of Spectral Visualization and
Development (SVD) Inc. SVD is a software company in Canada that has
developed a revolutionary new product, called Quiescence, for
diagnosing and treating tinnitus. "
http://eebee.net/quiescence.shtml

Notice that she doesnt just link directly to the quiescence website.
The quote looks like a verbatim quote from their website. Now look at
the contents of the page she has dedicated to quiescence.  I have
duplicated it below in case the content mysteriously changes after my
post:   (I have altered the links below so as not to promote the
product myself)

=============================
If you are suffering from tinnitus then please ask your healthcare
professional to try Quiescence today.
http://www . stopthering . com
   Free trial of FDA approved tinnitus treatment available to
healthcare professionals.
   But for everyone there is a questionnaire available that you can
print out and show to your doctor so he can understand and treat your
tinnitus better. http://www . svdinc . com/info/Tinnitus
Questionnaire.pdf
   There is a also brochure available for the health care
professional. If you are going to see a doctor or ENT or audiologist,
this may be useful to print out and show them. QuiescenceBrochure.pdf
   The Main Site.
   http://www . svdinc . com/Tinnitus.htm

QuiescenceT is as easy to use as an audiometer. A tinnitus evaluation
session will normally take 15 minutes to define the pitch and the
loudness of the tinnitus. From this procedure, customized stimuli are
generated which silence the tinnitus. Dr. Jack Vernon, the world
renowned tinnitus expert said, "When you have matched the tinnitus
pitch and frequency, that does a better job of producing residual
inhibition than when it is not matched."

The audio stimuli are used by tinnitus patients for residual inhibition
and custom masking. It is not unusual for them to experience hours of
relief. Furthermore, the audio CD is frequently used by tinnitus
patients to demonstrate their tinnitus. The ability to demonstrate the
loudness and the tone of their tinnitus is invaluable.

Press Release Body - "Tinnitus, a condition of ringing or buzzing in
the ears, afflicts over 40 million Americans, and millions more people
worldwide. A quarter of these people are severely debilitated," said
Dr. Dennis Woo (PhD), Vice President of Spectral Visualization and
Development (SVD) Inc. SVD is a software company in Canada that has
developed a revolutionary new product, called Quiescence, for
diagnosing and treating tinnitus.

"Quiescence allows audiologists to precisely model the patient's
tinnitus," said Dr. Woo, "and reproduce a sound that exactly
matches the tinnitus pitch of the patient.

"Quiescence is also very affordable and convenient," said Dr. Woo.
"Audiologists will simply purchase their licenses and use Quiescence
on as many patients as they want at no additional charge. And all the
patients need is a CD player that they can use at home or even while
driving. Plus, the tinnitus parameters obtained by Quiescence can be
incorporated into devices such as hearing aids to increase the level of
tinnitus relief."
=============================

Does any of this look like she has actually tried the product?  No.
Does this look like a full-on Advertisement? Yes.
Here's the part that not too many people know and that spammers take
advantage of:
When you click on one of the links on Elly's page, will the quiescence
website know that the link was clicked from eebee.net? Absolutely.
Will quiescence be willing to pay for those valuable clicks?
Absolutely.
Why would she 'suggest' a product she has not tried and then setup an
elaborate mechanism for providing more information that will also
identify her website as the referrer to the products website?
Why didnt she just provide the quiescence website directly in her post?
Answer: their website would not see who the referrer was.

It is my opinion she is not willing to admit to her true motivations
and continues to deceive.

To Elly:
Elly, your passionate insistance on linking Tinnitus to neck stiffness
and muscular problems is fine.  I dont really understand how you can
then also promote products that have nothing to do with muscular
problems unless you have some other motivation. I see no passion in
your product endorsements, no sign you've even tried them. I feel your
duplicity deserves notice and recognition in this newsgroup. I dont
feel that this newsgroup is the proper place for continued and ongoing
spamming.  With product endorsements in the form of links to vendors on
your website I feel that *all* of your posts are spam due to your
tagline which always carries your website link.  Your posts here are
simply a vehicle to drive people to your website to click on product
websites, who, I believe are compensating you.

If you are willing to replace *ALL* "commercial product website"
hyperlinks in your website with copy-n-paste links, I will be willing
to issue a FULL APOLOGY in this newsgroup.  For instance, instead of a
hyperlink to the quiescence website you simply provide a non-hyperlink
reference.  Example:  instead of a link to XYZ Corp like <a
href=www.xyzcorp.com>XYZ Corp</a> you provide the text version:
www.xyzcorp.com.  This way, your readers, when they copy-n-paste the
links into their browser, will not be providing referbacks to your
site.  If you truly "...simply want to help people..." then your
willingness to cooperate with this easy-to-perform request will prove
that.

If you are not willing to do the above I will still be willing to issue
a 'Thank you' to you if you indicate, on your tag line that your
website contains paid product endorsements.  For instance "Elly's
Tinnitus Resources, http://eebee.net/ - Note: This website contains
paid product endorsements."

Thank You,
Jim