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Nigel - 21 Apr 2006 12:17 GMT
http://www.neuromonics.com
Seems to be proven
What do peope think (yes its expensive at A$5,000)?
Jim Chinnis - 22 Apr 2006 01:56 GMT
"Nigel" <sterpo@optusnet.com.au> wrote in part:

>http://www.neuromonics.com
>Seems to be proven
>What do peope think (yes its expensive at A$5,000)?

I think it is still unproven.
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Elly Byrne - 22 Apr 2006 22:34 GMT
What sort of proof do you want Jim?

"The new treatment, called Acoustic Desensitisation Protocol, or ADP
for short, is the result of 10 years of research and development at
Curtin University in Western Australia.
Participants in the clinical trials wore an acoustic device for 2-3
hours a day that plays an individualised program of sounds
incorporated with music to retrain the brain's responses to
neurological changes. This treatment brought relief to a staggering
90% of sufferers."

Elly's Tinnitus Resources
http://eebee.net/

>"Nigel" <sterpo@optusnet.com.au> wrote in part:
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>I think it is still unproven.
Susan - 22 Apr 2006 23:10 GMT
> What sort of proof do you want Jim?
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> neurological changes. This treatment brought relief to a staggering
> 90% of sufferers."

Elly, what journal was this published in?

Susan
Jim Chinnis - 23 Apr 2006 03:04 GMT
Elly Byrne <elly@eebee.net.noway> wrote in part:

>What sort of proof do you want Jim?

A randomized controlled trial or two, published in quality peer-reviewed
journals. As far as I can tell, the developers have only self-published or
presented talks at meetings. I think I have copies of everything.
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Elly Byrne - 23 Apr 2006 21:31 GMT
>Elly Byrne <elly@eebee.net.noway> wrote in part:
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>journals. As far as I can tell, the developers have only self-published or
>presented talks at meetings. I think I have copies of everything.

They don't prove much either.
Reminds me of the studies I mentioned a while back.
Chocolate is good for you
which was followed by
Chocolate is not good for you.

Elly's Tinnitus Resources
http://eebee.net/
Jim Chinnis - 24 Apr 2006 03:35 GMT
Elly Byrne <elly@eebee.net.noway> wrote in part:

>>Elly Byrne <elly@eebee.net.noway> wrote in part:
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>which was followed by
>Chocolate is not good for you.

Knowledge is power. Go towards the light, Elly.
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Elly Byrne - 24 Apr 2006 21:30 GMT
>Knowledge is power. Go towards the light, Elly.

What good is it doing you so far? Nothing has cured your tinnitus.
All the tinnitus studies have achieved nothing useful except get the
name of the researcher in the public eye.
TRT works but it is no cure.
Neuromonics works, but it is no cure.
Nobody understands how tinnitus works. All the research is not
working.
WHAT IF THE EXPERTS ARE WRONG?

http://www.tinnitus.asn.au/ the Australian Tinnitus Association
mentions Neuromonics on their website. They would not do that if it
was not an acceptable method.

http://www.neuromonics.com/global/locations.aspx
Last year they were only in Australia. They now have locations in the
US as well.

"We offer the revolutionary Neuromonics Tinnitus Treatment which has
been shown through tinnitus research and clinical trials to result in
significantly reduced awareness and disturbance for up to 90% of
people who suffer from tinnitus.  It can lead to better relaxation and
sleep and improved quality of life."

Elly's Tinnitus Resources
http://eebee.net/

>Elly Byrne <elly@eebee.net.noway> wrote in part:
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>Knowledge is power. Go towards the light, Elly.
Nigel - 25 Apr 2006 01:41 GMT
It would be nice if they could offer a partially refundable guarantee,
although I guess it could never be proven whether the treatment worked.
Personally, it woud be sad if an individual placed $5,000 above quality of
life, so they could spend it on life's 'pleasures'...

By the way, anyone know about the shiela from Aussie band Def FX whose
tinnitus was so bad she wanted to kill herself. Links??
jga.socal - 25 Apr 2006 06:13 GMT
How do you get ppl who try all these things to write up their
experiences so others can benefit?
Susan - 25 Apr 2006 13:54 GMT
> How do you get ppl who try all these things to write up their
> experiences so others can benefit?

They have written it; you just have to google the archives on the boards
and usenet.

In the case of some treatments, it's in the peer reviewed literature.

Susan
Murray Grossan - 23 Apr 2006 20:19 GMT
On 4/21/06 5:56 PM, in article eovi42htmbe365h8j6h0ejokmi5q8qo9lj@4ax.com,

> "Nigel" <sterpo@optusnet.com.au> wrote in part:
>
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>
> I think it is still unproven.

I don't know about their device, but I do think that keeping music going -
music that you like - in the background is a good idea for tinnitus patients
I recommend popular Broadway shows - as that engages more levels of the
brain.
On the other hand the idea of soothing music reducing the limbic system
activity is a reasonable idea. Easy enough to try it with an I POD, but be
sure to keep the volume LOW.  
Murray Grossan - 23 Apr 2006 20:15 GMT
On 4/21/06 4:17 AM, in article
4448bf4c$0$4539$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au, "Nigel"
<sterpo@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> http://www.neuromonics.com
> Seems to be proven
> What do peope think (yes its expensive at A$5,000)?

I like the idea of listening to pleasant music for 2 hours a day. Anyone own
an I Pod? Try it
ferdie - 27 Apr 2006 22:38 GMT
Good value if $50

> http://www.neuromonics.com
> Seems to be proven
> What do peope think (yes its expensive at A$5,000)?
Murray Grossan - 28 Apr 2006 02:50 GMT
On 4/27/06 2:38 PM, in article
445139d8$0$30742$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au, "ferdie"

> Good value if $50
>
>> http://www.neuromonics.com
>> Seems to be proven
>> What do peope think (yes its expensive at A$5,000)?

The idea of listening to soft soothing music is a good idea. Do you have an
IPOD?
 
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