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Steve Payne - 10 Apr 2006 11:15 GMT
Hi -
This is my first post to this group mostly because the tinnitus I've had
for years has become worse in the last month or so. The sound I
experience is ( and I know I'm aging myself with this comparison } what
you used to hear on the old TV test patterns before the station went on
the air. Its a constant single tone - fairly high pitched, and it
recently took a step up in volume.

I've had tinnitus for at least 10 years, but it has always been in the
background and I only noticed it when I listened for it. Two things have
occurred in the past month may or may not be related.

My mother who also suffers from tinnitus, was told by a friend that they
had heard of success with a herbal supplement called "LIPO-FLAVONOID".
It claims to be "recommended by ear doctors" and promotes better
circulation to the ear  A pharmacist told her that some customers had
reported some success to him. We both decided to try this stuff and we
both are experiencing increased volume of the "ringing". It's fairly
expensive stuff and it says for best results, use for 6 months. I can
report a dramatic change in my tinnitus - unfortunately it's for the
worse. Has anyone else tried this stuff - if they can report it gets
worse before it gets better then maybe I'll continue.

The other thing that has occurred in the past couple of months is a
little bit of increased stress. I have a son headed for college and the
financial stress of future college costs has had me tossing and turning
with some anxiety...that along with having to pay a few thousand dollars
to the IRS in income tax and some other bills on the horizen - its put
me in a little more stressful state than normal. In fact I tend to live
a pretty stress free life.

Any words of advise or encouragement are encouraged.

Thanks,
Steve
Susan - 10 Apr 2006 14:18 GMT
> Hi -
> This is my first post to this group mostly because the tinnitus I've had
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> worse. Has anyone else tried this stuff - if they can report it gets
> worse before it gets better then maybe I'll continue.

I've been reading and posting here for years, and while I've seen
numerous bogus testimonials for certain products, I've never seen a
report from anyone whose tinnitus improved due to taking one.  I've
heard one anecdote in favor of Ginkgo improving T.

> The other thing that has occurred in the past couple of months is a
> little bit of increased stress. I have a son headed for college and the
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>
> Any words of advise or encouragement are encouraged.

About stressing out: DON'T DO THAT!  Honestly, nothing cranks up the
volume like stress.  Some folks have used hypnosis, others relaxation
tapes, meditation, Xanax, antidepressants, etc.  The same stuff is going
to go on in your life whether you make yourself sick over it or not, so
learn not to.

Susan
Steve Payne - 11 Apr 2006 02:11 GMT
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> Susan

Susan -

Thanks for the advice. I'll do exactly what you suggest and not
participate in the stress thing  :-).

I've sort of come to be able to live with it even as loud as its gotten.
My GP told me that he didn't know of any remedies for the condition. He
suggested that some background white noise might help offset the
ringing, and that I might want to try it to see if it helped.
Steve
Susan - 11 Apr 2006 02:15 GMT
> Thanks for the advice. I'll do exactly what you suggest and not
> participate in the stress thing  :-).

Wow, that was easy.  Kind of wish everyone were that obedient.  ;-)

> I've sort of come to be able to live with it even as loud as its gotten.
> My GP told me that he didn't know of any remedies for the condition. He
> suggested that some background white noise might help offset the
> ringing, and that I might want to try it to see if it helped.
> Steve

Google up Bill Gerrell's excellent "Habituation for Dummies" post from
years ago.  It's a great contribution he made to this group, it may have
a lot to offer you. Masking with other sounds helps lots of folks.

Susan
cdrum@adelphia.net - 12 Apr 2006 05:23 GMT
Hi all. Regarding the white noise thing, I think that would help. I'm a
drummer and have been in high volume environments for many years. I
hear lots of different pitches (mostly very high) all the time. I wear
foam earplugs allways. I don't use white noise but have a fan i keep
running at night. Seems to help!
Also, has anyone heard of research into a device that would cancel the
noise out (like those noise canceling headphones)? I think if the noise
freguencys and pitches could somehow be identified, maybe someone could
find a way to reverse the phase of the signal and play it back through
headphones canceling the tinnitus out? Just a thought.
Skycloud - 12 Apr 2006 16:09 GMT
> Also, has anyone heard of research into a device that would cancel the
> noise out (like those noise canceling headphones)? I think if the noise
> freguencys and pitches could somehow be identified, maybe someone could
> find a way to reverse the phase of the signal and play it back through
> headphones canceling the tinnitus out? Just a thought.

For tinnitus to be cancellable this way by a wave, it would also have to be
a wave itself.

But (most) tinnitus exists as a purely nervous stimulus which the brain
interprets as sound. It is neither a real sound nor a wave - and so cannot
be cancelled out by another wave.

However sometimes tinnitus can be temporarily cancelled by specially
tailored sounds. This effect is called 'residual inhibition'. You can read
more about this on my commercial site:
www.detinnitiser.com

HTH

Steve
Tango - 14 Apr 2006 10:38 GMT
Skycloud, I'll look at your info when I have more time. Sounds
interesting. Thanks
Elly Byrne - 12 Apr 2006 21:51 GMT
Have you heard of musician's earplugs?
http://www.westone.com/music.html

Have you done any research into the state of your body? As a drummer
how much tension does your body accumulate?

Elly's Tinnitus Resources
http://eebee.net/

>Hi all. Regarding the white noise thing, I think that would help. I'm a
>drummer and have been in high volume environments for many years. I
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>find a way to reverse the phase of the signal and play it back through
>headphones canceling the tinnitus out? Just a thought.
Tango - 14 Apr 2006 10:43 GMT
Elly, I have heard of and know a few musicians that have used the
custom earplugs. They all seem to come back to the heavy foam ones I
use. They block out quite a wide range of  the frequencies. Helps a
lot! Still have high pitches going all the to]ime though. Probably a
combination of tension, playing loud music for years, and medication.
Thanks.
CM
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 10 Apr 2006 16:37 GMT
Steve wrote:"if they can report it gets
worse before it gets better then maybe I'll continue. "

No, the moment when you are experiencing negative symptoms, you should
stop! Why get so complicated?  Just try gingko biloba for a couple of
weeks and see if it clicks.  If no effect is felt, drop it!  it is as
simple as that.

Have you seen a doctor yet?  Pay a visit to Dr.Murray in this group.
It is better to do that than to ask for online advice from amateurs.
Steve Payne - 11 Apr 2006 02:23 GMT
> Steve wrote:"if they can report it gets
> worse before it gets better then maybe I'll continue. "
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> Have you seen a doctor yet?  Pay a visit to Dr.Murray in this group.
> It is better to do that than to ask for online advice from amateurs.

Thanks,
I've seen my GP and he didn't know of any remedies. He offered to send
me to an ENT if it was something I felt was distracting. The last time I
saw him(my GP)  was before the tinnitus got worse and I hadn't
considered it more than a minor annoyance.

I have taken gingko biloba over the past half year, but the intended
purpose for taking it, was not tinnitus. The fact that my tinnitus has
worsened during this time tells me it too may have been a contributor,
or had no effect at all. I'll probably take nothing for a few months and
see if things improve.

Steve
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 11 Apr 2006 03:45 GMT
> > Steve wrote:"if they can report it gets
> > worse before it gets better then maybe I'll continue. "
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> or had no effect at all. I'll probably take nothing for a few months and
> see if things improve.

Perhaps you should stop all medication except the ones such as high
blood pressure which is  important to maintain your life.  You should
talk to Dr. Murray about the kinds of pills that you are taking.

Most doctors have NO experience with tinnitus, even ENT doctors.  This
is why I think you should visit Dr. Murray in this group because you
can be rest assured that he has experience with tinnitus.

Just pay him a visit to get the whole thing over with!  Since none of
what you have tried has not helped, so why wait!  Stop wasting your
time in asking questions from amateurs!!!

> Steve
jga.socal - 12 Apr 2006 04:00 GMT
i must be in some alternate universe.
fp is recommending the western medicinal skills of Dr. G.. twice, in
the same topic even.
what planet is this?  where is frances poon? did someone hijack his
google account?
Murray Grossan - 12 Apr 2006 16:41 GMT
On 4/11/06 8:00 PM, in article
1144810811.925760.220800@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com, "jga.socal"
<jganders@gmail.com> wrote:

> i must be in some alternate universe.
> fp is recommending the western medicinal skills of Dr. G.. twice, in
> the same topic even.
> what planet is this?  where is frances poon? did someone hijack his
> google account?

This concept of western vs alternative methods is bull sh.t. Whether you
practice in deepest Africa or Park Avenue, you use the scientific method if
you value your patient's health.
Murray Grossan, M.D.
Www.earaid.info

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