Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / February 2006
Some experiments, can somebody help me on this question?, thanks!
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lost_cluster2 - 22 Jan 2006 01:52 GMT I was trying to relax myself and find a way to reduce my tinnitus sound and i heard about that heat therapy is sometimes usefull, so i have one of these massage vibrators with infrared light and i put the light close to my ears for a little and i just had the curiosity to see what happens if i use the massager on my ears, i turned it on and just let the massager for 20 seconds at much and i turned it off when suddently GEEZZZ!!!!!!!! I had an incredible rush of tones inside my head and i was hearing my blood pulse like when you are swimming at the sea and you dive and hear the crackling noise of the sand at the bottom of the sea, i felt like if it never was going to end and after a minute it gone down again to the normal level, can somebody explain me what happened there?, is it dangerous to do that?
I remember i had some accident 5 years ago and got injuried on my neck i had a fall on a boat and i heard that this type of injuries can lead to tinnitus and the classic "whiplash"( i don´t remember the name) of a car accident when somebody hits you from behind.
presleystein - 22 Jan 2006 16:01 GMT don't use anything that compounds the problem more.
vibrators and heat most times will not solve the issue.
vibrations in most cases make the matter worse. some vibrators have warnings in their directions and specifially do say any area affected with a issue IE: swelling, soreness other related issues, inflamations... do not use.
especially around the face and head.
Rjmail - 22 Jan 2006 16:41 GMT Yeah it does seem to me that a lot of my tinnitus is muscular-skeletal related, so anything that messes with my neck muscles can also mess with my tinnitus. Maybe if you tried something lower in your back, it might have less of a direct influence on your neck area (but might loosen your back muscles to have an indirect benefit on your tinnitus?)
Rj
lost_cluster2 - 22 Jan 2006 20:02 GMT Thanks for the comments, looks like it´s more related then the problem i have to the neck injurie i had since some years ago than an hipertension problem, but definitively i can say that smoking and soy based meals increases the volume of the tinnitus and in some way that a good way to control a tinnitus problem. is there any chance to cure a tinnitus problem if is related to the neck or back?
thank you.
P.S. i found thes sites in spanish that have excelent questions and answers related to tinnitus, you might translate them with the google translator and can read them with no problem.
http://www.sitiodesordos.com.ar/acufenos.htm
this one is excelent!, it talks about depending the pith of the tone you can know certain aspects like where it´s produced:
http://www.geocities.com/f_loiacono/nota8.html
Elly Byrne - 24 Jan 2006 19:08 GMT First you mentioned neck problems. Now you have added back problems. These are areas that need attention. Have a read of http://eebee.net/TinnitusIsaPainintheNeck.shtml
Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/
>Thanks for the comments, looks like it´s more related then the problem >i have to the neck injurie i had since some years ago than [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >http://www.geocities.com/f_loiacono/nota8.html Skycloud - 23 Jan 2006 09:40 GMT >I was trying to relax myself and find a way to reduce my tinnitus sound and i heard about that heat therapy is sometimes usefull, so i have one of these massage vibrators with infrared light and i put the light close to my ears for a little and i just had the curiosity to see what happens if i use the massager on my ears, i turned it on and just let the massager for 20 seconds at much and i turned it off when suddently GEEZZZ!!!!!!!! I had an incredible rush of tones inside my head and i was hearing my blood pulse like when you are swimming at the sea and you dive and hear the crackling noise of the sand at the bottom of the sea, i felt like if it never was going to end and after a minute it gone down again to the normal level, can somebody explain me what happened there?, is it dangerous to do that?
>I remember i had some accident 5 years ago and got injuried on my neck i had a fall on a boat and i heard that this type of injuries can lead to tinnitus and the classic "whiplash"( i don´t remember the name) of a car accident when somebody hits you from behind.
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My own experience is that tinnitus seems to be blood-supply related. Anything that increases blood pressure, turbulence or stress in the head can increase the tinnitus. Conversely, making the blood flow easier would reduce the tinnitus. Try cooling your ears with a wet flannel and see if temporarily reduces your tinnitus - it does with mine. According to this view, vasodilator drugs should improve tinnitus, though as yet I've never tried this. If muscle relaxation (as recommended by Elly) has the effect of easing blood circulation then this should help too.
Steve
www.detinnitiser.com
lost_cluster2 - 24 Jan 2006 07:00 GMT > >I was trying to relax myself and find a way to reduce my tinnitus sound > and i heard about that heat therapy is sometimes usefull, so i have one [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > www.detinnitiser.com I tried a vasodilator prescribed by my medic, called "zerc" and it didn´t worked at all i tried 2 weeks and i didn´t noted any improvement at all and i was felling my hands swollen when going to sleep, it looks like my problem is more related to a stress acumulation of a lot of time and i´m also having some respiratory allergies that might be related to stress too but can´t find the best way to improve my tinnitus, i noted at christmas a decrease on the volume of my tones (may be the rest?) and when i returned to work it went back again as used, should i try ginko??? is it a risky treatment?, i have like a year with a back problem: i feel on my lowerback like a burning sensation and some kind of needle pinching my nerves on my right kidney when i bent down and i turn my head down to look at the floor, and i noted some increase of my tinnitus since i had that back problem, a massage can be helpfull too but looks like i might have developed a very serious back problem for leaving it unatended so much time (5 years so far)
lost_cluster2 - 24 Jan 2006 07:05 GMT i forgot to ask something, as i understand the heat enchances your blood flow because of dilatation of veins but the cold constricts the veins right? what´s the purpose of reducing the blood flow??? at this point i´ll try anything ;)
Skycloud - 24 Jan 2006 10:33 GMT i forgot to ask something, as i understand the heat enchances your blood flow because of dilatation of veins but the cold constricts the veins right? what´s the purpose of reducing the blood flow??? at this point i´ll try anything ;) -------------------------------
Proceed with _great care_ when you take any advice from anyone here (including me). Remember most of us are not medically qualified and you bear all the liability and risk - and all the consequences - of any action taken. The level of ignorance on tinnitus generally is astonishing, and all most of us can do here is to try to help from our own experiences.
Some points:
I personally wouldn't recommend Ginkgo Biloba because it could, in extremis, cause bleeding behind the eye. Instead, I take ¼ aspirin tablet a day which actually seems to work better. But I am taking no other medications. Be careful.
You make a good point about blood flow and I _don't_ understand the actual mechanism. I guess though it might work something like this. If you have an area in your blood system affected by atherosclerosis (ie. where the blood vessels become partially blocked), the process of forcing the blood through can cause some distress or pain. If the problem lies in the inner ear or auditory cortex, this could perhaps be expressed as tinnitus.
If you ease the flow in this area by the use of blood 'thinning' medications such as low-dose aspirin, or you relax the blood-vessels by use of vasodilators, then this could help. But conversely, another strategy might be to do the opposite - to constrict the preceeding area in the chain (where the blood is coming from) so that the blood pressure is reduced locally in the distressed area.
Remember though (if it's not already completely obvious) I speak from IGNORANCE. Go and show these ideas to your doctor and watch him or her laugh. ;-)
Also, I'm focussing on my sort of tinnitus, which AFAIK has nothing to do with previous overexposure to sound. Where the tinnitus has been caused by loud rock concerts and the like, the mechanism behind it is probably totally different.
Steve
Murray Grossan - 24 Jan 2006 16:51 GMT On 1/23/06 11:05 PM, in article 1138086332.984096.245100@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "lost_cluster2" <albarranarturogo@gmail.com> wrote:
> i forgot to ask something, as i understand the heat enchances your > blood flow because of dilatation of veins but the cold constricts the > veins right? what´s the purpose of reducing the blood flow??? at this > point i´ll try anything ;) Heat increases blood flow in the arteries to the area, cold constricts flow in the arteries to the area. Veins don't dilate or constrict.
The whole concept of increasing flow to the ear is now up to question because T can occur on 3 levels.
Murray Grossan, M.D. Www.EarAid.info
Nelson Wallace - 27 Jan 2006 06:43 GMT Sometimes I put a ThermaCare "Neck to arm" heat wrap very high on my neck when I go to bed. The first time I tried it I was T free all the next day. The second time, I woke up with T, which subsided later in the day, and came back the following day. Once, it did no good at all. Of the eight times I've tried it, six have helped. It could be a placebo effect, or it could be a real blood circulation help (exercise helps my T). You can always buy a box & do the experiment, keep the rest for muscle problems. And no, I don't work for Proctor & Gamble, etc.
I was trying to relax myself and find a way to reduce my tinnitus sound and i heard about that heat therapy is sometimes usefull, so i have one of these massage vibrators with infrared light and i put the light close to my ears for a little and i just had the curiosity to see what happens if i use the massager on my ears, i turned it on and just let the massager for 20 seconds at much and i turned it off when suddently GEEZZZ!!!!!!!! I had an incredible rush of tones inside my head and i was hearing my blood pulse like when you are swimming at the sea and you dive and hear the crackling noise of the sand at the bottom of the sea, i felt like if it never was going to end and after a minute it gone down again to the normal level, can somebody explain me what happened there?, is it dangerous to do that?
I remember i had some accident 5 years ago and got injuried on my neck i had a fall on a boat and i heard that this type of injuries can lead to tinnitus and the classic "whiplash"( i don´t remember the name) of a car accident when somebody hits you from behind.
Murray Grossan - 27 Jan 2006 16:22 GMT On 1/26/06 10:43 PM, in article p_-dnXmXgZCTXETeRVn-vw@adelphia.com, "Nelson Wallace" <yeah, right> wrote:
> Sometimes I put a ThermaCare "Neck to arm" heat wrap very high on my neck > when I go to bed. The first time I tried it I was T free all the next day. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > a box & do the experiment, keep the rest for muscle problems. > And no, I don't work for Proctor & Gamble, etc. Sounds good. Also, shower hard to the neck, and gently rotate head far to left and right may work.
Murray Grossan, M.D. Www.EarAid.info
lost_cluster2 - 31 Jan 2006 19:42 GMT > On 1/26/06 10:43 PM, in article p_-dnXmXgZCTXETeRVn-vw@adelphia.com, "Nelson > Wallace" <yeah, right> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Murray Grossan, M.D. > Www.EarAid.info Thanks a lot for all the comments made about the question, i can understand the risks of trying any advice from here but i think it´s worth in the need of learning to control the T, as soon as you don´t get with any medications i think it´s good because they are alternative ways to give yourself a try.
Now i can say for shure something, soy in any form and hot-spicy food it´s te worst combination for T, and it´s a very sad situation for me because i became addict to korean food!!! :( i tried not eating it for a month and i noted a lot of diferences on the way my tinnitus went down but the thrusday and saturday i tryed again that food and i have again my tinnitus hard :( is there a way to know if this is the cause? or some other habits? if it´s related to food can you know an average time it takes to lower your tinnitus?, i think i made the worst combination this weekend: beer, soy, cola, hot and spicy food....geeez...
Murray Grossan - 01 Feb 2006 04:21 GMT On 1/31/06 11:42 AM, in article 1138736537.752536.158270@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "lost_cluster2" <albarranarturogo@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 1/26/06 10:43 PM, in article p_-dnXmXgZCTXETeRVn-vw@adelphia.com, "Nelson >> Wallace" <yeah, right> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > combination this weekend: beer, soy, cola, hot and spicy > food....geeez... Sounds like it might be the MSG in the Korean food.
Murray Grossan, M.D. Www.EarAid.info
lost_cluster2 - 01 Feb 2006 07:43 GMT what´s MSG? thanks :)
Tristán White - 02 Feb 2006 16:20 GMT > what´s MSG? thanks :) Monosodium Glutumate
lost_cluster2 - 03 Feb 2006 03:05 GMT ohhhhh sodium....:( and here it goes again the hipertension issue :\ once you get ir i think you get sentenced to live forever taking care of everything what you eat
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