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Alturas - 01 Jan 2006 22:08 GMT
Does anyone else have these specific symptoms, and have you found a cause
or solution? I've read about blood flow to the head, etc. but not the
details of the mechanism.

"Normal" manifestation of my tinnitus:

Very high pitched and rarely bothersome. Seems to be in the 10-12khz
frequency range. Usually unnoticeable when I'm not lying still or when I'm
near moderate background noise. Outdoors it's almost never a problem.

Tinnitus that happens after laying down with intent to sleep:

Prior to 2 or 3 months ago I only heard the tinnitus mentioned above.
Recently, I will lay down and 5 to 30 minutes later I hear the sound of
faint, intermittent "radio static" in my left ear. It's like listening for
a mosquito to get closer and closer. The core frequency varies between
about 500hz to 1khz but there's a white noise component. Over the next 30
minutes to an hour, it grows in volume and smoothes into a continuous but
scratchy tone for hours.

It's not overly loud, but worse than anything I've had before (early 40s).
I try to fall asleep before it starts up. If I can't, I have to mentally
filter it, which works half the time. Usually it's gone when I wake up or
the volume seems lower. I’d like to understand the difference between it
and the higher pitched (constant, benign) type. Thanks for any tips.

Alturas
Louisa16 - 05 Jan 2006 07:25 GMT
In response to your reference to tinnitus symptoms while trying to sleep:

I'm helping a friend that has severe sleeping problems...breathing,
indigestion, waking, etc. in addition to recent hearing loss and laryngitis
(sp) type symtoms.His father died from esophagus cancer in his late 40's.
Gastroenterologist  scheduled an endoscopy (sp) and he will most likely have
to attend a sleep clinic.

Symtoms of tinnitus have been present for years, but have become very
bothersome in the last few weeks, especially while trying to sleep or nap.
I'm curious if others suffering from tinnitus also have sleep apnea,
Barrett's Esophagus or GERD.

Also would welcome input from other's experiences on testing for tinnitus.
Would recommendation be to schedule evaluation with a EyeEarsNose&Throat
doctor, or a auditory specialist?

Have you tried low level background  "white noise" while sleeping?

Thanks for any input you might offer - Lisa

>Does anyone else have these specific symptoms, and have you found a cause
>or solution? I've read about blood flow to the head, etc. but not the
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>Alturas
Elly Byrne - 05 Jan 2006 19:25 GMT
Hi Lisa,

That sounds like a very stressful situation.
It seems that things always come back to a muscular problem in the
back and/or neck. Something changes in the body when one lies down.
If the extra stress happened recently it may down of its own accord.

White noise is always worth doing. At its simplest have a radio in the
room tuned between stations softly.
Or creats a CD with white noise. Or simply fins a CD with nature
sounds.
Noise programs are available at http://eebee.net/sound/sound.html

By all means get seen by a doctor. He maybe able to help with medical
problems. When it comes to tinnitus itself they are not much use.

Elly's Tinnitus Resources
http://eebee.net/

>In response to your reference to tinnitus symptoms while trying to sleep:
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>>Alturas
Murray Grossan - 06 Jan 2006 04:33 GMT
On 1/4/06 11:25 PM, in article 59e4375c16354@uwe, "Louisa16" <u17310@uwe>
wrote:

> In response to your reference to tinnitus symptoms while trying to sleep:
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>> Alturas
In sleep apnea certain brain/nerve cells can die. This can be a cause of
tinnitus. Treatment is to cure the sleep apnea.
Seeking Rx for tinnitus when you have sleep apnea is like seeking a soothing
gel when you have a tooth cavity. Fill the tooth cavity ..  
Alturas - 06 Jan 2006 18:34 GMT
> In response to your reference to tinnitus symptoms while trying to
> sleep:
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> nap. I'm curious if others suffering from tinnitus also have sleep
> apnea, Barrett's Esophagus or GERD.

No apnea problems that I know of. In recent years I have developed "sand"
(cartilage) noises when I turn my neck but they don't seem related to the
timing of this. I have been under a lot of job stress, though I dealt with
similar stuff before I ever had tinnitus.

> Have you tried low level background  "white noise" while sleeping?

I've tried that, plus fan noise, but it feels like giving in to the enemy.
Maybe my case isn't bad enough to need it? FYI, GoldWave (goldwave.com) has
a noise generator you can custom tune (you can burn a CD full of noise). I
tend to be just as distracted by the noise as the tinnitus so it ends up
being a wash.

Alturas
matt - 07 Jan 2006 04:19 GMT
>>In response to your reference to tinnitus symptoms while trying to
>>sleep:
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> Alturas

It takes a few days or so to learn to sleep with white noise. For about
a year (long before I first noticed tinnitus symptoms a week and a half
ago) I wore earplugs at night because my neighbors were noisy, but I
developed infection from wearing them, and had to stop. So my only other
option was white noise, which worked really well at drowning other
noises out but was very difficult to sleep with for the first few days.
After a week I could fall asleep easily with my loud air purifier running.
Louisa16 - 09 Jan 2006 09:57 GMT
Thanks for ya'lls input.  My friend is also a heavy smoker, lives alone and
constantly keeps television set at, what I consider, a very high volume. His
conversational, and especially cell phone dialogue, is extremely loud (to my
perception).  It is beyond comical to attempt dual cell calls while in a car
or confined area.  "Say what?".

From previous response relating neck/muscular associations...couldn't the
combination of work stress and daily physical use of a hand held cell phone
possibly be major contributors to accumulated tinnitus symptoms? (neck and
shoulder demands being unbalanced from constant use from one side of the body?
)

(This is a techno challanged situation...hands free cell and "On Star" type
accessories have been ignored.)

Also, on a side note, increased recent exposure to race track noises should
be questionable sources for his recent increase in tinnitus symptoms.  Have
any race hobbists noticed increased tinnitus, as a result of race car
environments on and/or off the track? The engines, generators, compressors,
etc. have to cause auditory damage to sensitive ear systems....

I so appreciate any offers of advice or related experiences.  Endoscopy is
1/16th and we'll start from there.  

>>>In response to your reference to tinnitus symptoms while trying to
>>>sleep:
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>noises out but was very difficult to sleep with for the first few days.
>After a week I could fall asleep easily with my loud air purifier running.
Elly Byrne - 09 Jan 2006 18:56 GMT
That constant cell phone certainly could be a contributing factor. A
hands free set would be a great thing to do.

Elly's Tinnitus Resources
http://eebee.net/

>Thanks for ya'lls input.  My friend is also a heavy smoker, lives alone and
>constantly keeps television set at, what I consider, a very high volume. His
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>>noises out but was very difficult to sleep with for the first few days.
>>After a week I could fall asleep easily with my loud air purifier running.
Alturas - 11 Jan 2006 22:35 GMT
> It takes a few days or so to learn to sleep with white noise. For about
> a year (long before I first noticed tinnitus symptoms a week and a half
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> After a week I could fall asleep easily with my loud air purifier
> running.

Yes, those ear canals need to breath! Your neighbors have got to be
breaking a noise ordinance.

I did some tests and a quiet 6" fan seems livable. I had to hang it from
the ceiling to eliminate distracting resonance from a table. Maybe I'll buy
a noise box if this doesn't go away soon. I assume others have it worse and
need more volume to accomplish masking. I would never want it so loud that
I couldn't hear burglars and other night sounds.

Alturas
Elly Byrne - 12 Jan 2006 18:57 GMT
The purpose of masking is NOT to drown out the tinnitus.
Have the sound at a level that is just below the level of tinnitus, so
you can just hear it. Then focus on the quieter sound.

Elly's Tinnitus Resources
http://eebee.net/

>> It takes a few days or so to learn to sleep with white noise. For about
>> a year (long before I first noticed tinnitus symptoms a week and a half
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