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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / November 2005Something to tone down the Ringing
Hi all, I have had Tinnitus for the past 4.5 years. I woke up with it one day and it's been driving me crazy ever since. I went through the usual protocol, Family Doctore, Specialists and tests to tell me I had to live with it...well, through my own research on the web, I've found that taking Ginko Biloba and Black Cohosh Twice a day...Two pills from each has lessoned the Ringing to the point where I do not notice it...If I do bother to listen, it is still alot lower than it was. At first, I tried two weeks of Ginko by itself and then when Two weeks without. I noticed a change on the first day...perhaps it was all in my head, but I've felt better since I've been taking Ginko. The two weeks without, the ringing was loud...This went on until recently when I found a site selling a tinnitus control and part of the ingredients was Black Cohosh. I gave it a try and have been on it for the last 2.5 weeks, and in combo with the ginko, life feels normal again...I really notice it if I just take ginko and if I miss taking either for a few days, the loud ringing is back. So, that is my story, I'm not trying to sell anything, just thought I would pass it on. Regards, Terry S. Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada It is good that someone like yourself testifies to the positive effect of gingko so that the 'controlled' experiment worshippers can be made to realize the limitations of this method. The next thing you may want to try is acupuncture. I tried it and it liberated me from more than a year of discomfort in my head. But when I told my story to this group, I either get ridiculed or laughed at. My ethnic Chinese name certainly does not help me convince the simple folks who have been living in the Hollywood world of Fumanchu and Bob Hope shows. The name of the acupuncturist is Dr.Zhang. She is living in Vancouver. Dr. Zhang graduated from the prestigious TCM school in Peking. The charge is reasonable and your BC med can cover part of that. Go and visit her a couple of times and see if it clicks on you. Never mind whatever 'controlled' experiments cited around here. The test of the pudding is in the eating. FP What is Black Cohosh? Can you please show me the site? Just search Google. Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ >What is Black Cohosh? Can you please show me the site? I am trying to get the name in Chinese but perhaps this herb is not grown in China. I have been on gingko biloba for over a year now and the only thing I can tell you is that this med makes me perform like a younger man on bed. >I am trying to get the name in Chinese but perhaps this herb is not >grown in China. I have been on gingko biloba for over a year now and >the only thing I can tell you is that this med makes me perform like a >younger man on bed. Search Google The herb black cohosh, or Actaea racemosa (formerly named Cimicifuga racemosa) ... Black cohosh should not be confused with the blue cohosh herb (also known ... www.aafp.org/afp/20030701/114.html Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/BlackCohosh.asp#h1 Debora :) > What is Black Cohosh? Can you please show me the site? What is "Black Cohosh"? Is it a natural product? -Anders > Hi all, > I have had Tinnitus for the past 4.5 years. I woke up with it one day [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Terry S. > Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada It is a herb. You find plenty of advertisement for this product in google. Go to the health food store and ask the pharmacist there. The combination between gingko and this one is said to be powerful, at leat you have tgs777 to testify on behalf of his own experience. Thanks! I´ve just found out that this "herb" or "plant" is called "soelvlys" which means "Silverlight" in danish. - That´s pretty different from "Black Cohosh" ;-) I will definetely try it together with my daily dosis (2 pills) og Gingko Biloba -Anders > It is a herb. You find plenty of advertisement for this product in > google. Go to the health food store and ask the pharmacist there. The > combination between gingko and this one is said to be powerful, at leat > you have tgs777 to testify on behalf of his own experience. So are you from Danmark? Have you tried out a number of 'modern' high-tech doctors there first before coming to the world of 'village' wisdom such as gingko biloba? Are the high-tech doctors in Denmark any good? 'Village' methods such as gingko biloba and the other herbs, chiro, acupuncture, etc were used by the Chinese thousands of years ago to treat tinnitus. Unfortunately, not many methods like these ones have passed the 'controlled' experiments carried out by 'modern' doctors in the west. Yes, I´m from Denmark. No, I have not tried any of all that high-tech stuff. I simply do not believe in the so called " doctors" of our time. Their whole ideology is based upon lies and greed. Another virus of the west (!) Besides : I´ve never heard of anyone who has been cured from Tinnitus with the help from a "high-tech-doctor". > So are you from Danmark? Have you tried out a number of 'modern' > high-tech doctors there first before coming to the world of 'village' [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > have passed the 'controlled' experiments carried out by 'modern' > doctors in the west. > Yes, I´m from Denmark. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Besides : I´ve never heard of anyone who has been cured from Tinnitus with > the help from a "high-tech-doctor". What you and people such as francis fail to realize is that tinnitus is similar to cancer (no, I'm not equating the two) in that there are many different types and causes of tinnitus. Your view(s) are too simplistic in a one size fits all. I don't believe there will EVER be a treatment that will cure ALL types of tinnitus such as there will never be a single treatment to treat/cure cancer. I really think there will be effective treatments in the near future that will help some tinnitus sufferers but it wont be a cure all. There are many different ways you can classify tinnitus and all have different causes. There are some that are indeed self-limiting and others that are treatable. But many types of tinnitus are permanent which may never have an effective treatment, conventional medicine or alternative medicine wise. I've known many people (a patient who had tinnitus secondary to otosclerosis who had the tinnitus eliminated after surgery, as well as someone who had severe wax buildup with tinnitus gone after the impaction was removed) who been successful and someone like Dr. Grossan could likely tell you of dozens of cases that had good outcomes. Most of the physicians I work with are extremely hard-working with the patient foremost in their minds so it's very insulting when you bring out garbage such as "greed" and "lies". "Virus of the west" I'm sure you spouted out of pure ignorance- that's one of the most contemptable things I've heard in a long time. I'm sure most Danes are much more reasonable than yourself- I'm surely not going to typecast all Danes based on your putrid views. frank Hi Frank, Oh - I didn´t mean to sound like an a.shole - I´m just frustrated like anyone else who suffers from tinnitus. I´m sure there are many doctors out there with a "good heart" so to speak ;) The kind of Tinnitus I have is not from any kind of neck or muscle tensions and all that! ...so there´s no cure for me, I guess...only relief...and maybe not even that! But you must agree with me on the fact that the "chemical-based-drug-industry" is pathetic. More wants more wants more.... To profit (big time) from other human beings suffering(s) is pathetic. -Anders Anders wrote: > Yes, I´m from Denmark. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Besides : I´ve never heard of anyone who has been cured from Tinnitus with > the help from a "high-tech-doctor". What you and people such as francis fail to realize is that tinnitus is similar to cancer (no, I'm not equating the two) in that there are many different types and causes of tinnitus. Your view(s) are too simplistic in a one size fits all. I don't believe there will EVER be a treatment that will cure ALL types of tinnitus such as there will never be a single treatment to treat/cure cancer. I really think there will be effective treatments in the near future that will help some tinnitus sufferers but it wont be a cure all. There are many different ways you can classify tinnitus and all have different causes. There are some that are indeed self-limiting and others that are treatable. But many types of tinnitus are permanent which may never have an effective treatment, conventional medicine or alternative medicine wise. I've known many people (a patient who had tinnitus secondary to otosclerosis who had the tinnitus eliminated after surgery, as well as someone who had severe wax buildup with tinnitus gone after the impaction was removed) who been successful and someone like Dr. Grossan could likely tell you of dozens of cases that had good outcomes. Most of the physicians I work with are extremely hard-working with the patient foremost in their minds so it's very insulting when you bring out garbage such as "greed" and "lies". "Virus of the west" I'm sure you spouted out of pure ignorance- that's one of the most contemptable things I've heard in a long time. I'm sure most Danes are much more reasonable than yourself- I'm surely not going to typecast all Danes based on your putrid views. frank > Hi Frank, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > -Anders Didn't mean to snap- you sound reasonable but one of my buttons was pushed. I just get a little a sensitive from all the bashing/criticism that occurs in the medical field. It's very easy to dehumanize the medical establishment but, on a personal basis, the individual medical providers that I know are caring and want to help their patients. I totally agree that there are bad-apples and that there are many ills in the medical field , not only in the U.S. but world wide and that there are no easy answers. The "system" needs fixing but the individuals on whole are not uncaring or incompetent. The pharmacy system is a whole other ball of wax. As far as the profit issue, look at the oil industry. Join the club- mine (tinnitus) is from a failed surgery that has left me with tinnitus along with vertigo, dizziness,deafness and the loss of my balance on my right side. My specialist has always been upfront with me telling me there are no effective treatments or "cures" for my damaged cranial nerve and likewise, it's been frustrating. He's tried some meds which didn't help and most alternative methods are ineffective as well. frank NO ONE in the 'entire' history of alt has ever claimed that there is a cure for all tinnitus. Thus the sensationalized proclamation is IRRELEVANT to this discussion and can be used only for face-saving purpose... drfrank righteously proclaimed:"I don't believe there will EVER be a treatment that will cure ALL types of tinnitus such as there will never be a single treatment to treat/cure cancer. I really think there will be effective treatments in the near future that will help some tinnitus sufferers but it wont be a cure all. " NO ONE in the history of alt has ever claimed that there is a cure for all tinnitus. Thus the sensationalized proclamation is meaningless!!! fyfp...@gmail.com wrote: > drfrank righteously proclaimed:"I don't believe there will EVER be a > treatment that will cure ALL types of tinnitus such as there will never [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > NO ONE in the history of alt has ever claimed that there is a cure for > all tinnitus. Thus the sensationalized proclamation is meaningless!!! Sigh, it's just too bad (not your fault) that it's easier to talk to a rock than it is to you. So I can't fault you for not being able to understand my post. You keep rambling about the failures of "high tech" medicine (and other nonsense) while espousing how great chinese medicine is in treating tinnitus. It's fine that you are anti-conventional medicine and also fine that you don't understand legitimate research and studies that are over your head. I'm just trying to point out that there are certain pathologies and conditions (tinnitus being among them) that there is no effective treatment or cure for most types. You make it seem that the "high tech" doctors (whatever that means) are incompetent because they can't cure tinnitus. Just because there is no "cure" for tinnitus doesnt make anyone incompetent. You'd be dangerous with half a brain. frank Frank, Did you drop out of high school or what? Your English comprehension is extremely poor! What I have pointed out to the audience is the limitations of _any_ medicine and for that matter the modern medicine too, which I call high-tech. That, however, does not mean in *your* words that "the "high tech" doctors (whatever that means) are incompetent because they can't cure tinnitus...". You do notice that I have frequently suggested the audience to try out the modern med first and after they exhaust the modern doctors go for alternative ones. Is there anything wrong with that? Nor does what i have said mean (1)I am anti-conventional medicine, albeit I have been disappointed by the 15 modern doctors whom I have visited, and (2) that I don't understand legitimate research and studies with my pointing out the limitations of these kinds of research. If you just had the courtesy to address yourself to one specific area in my reply to your sensationalized lamenting, you would have saved for yourself so many useless words. That specific point in my reply to you is "NO ONE in the history of alt has ever claimed that there is a cure for all tinnitus." Why don't you do it, frank? You have been muddling around for too long... Ginko ! cohosh ! what a load of twadle ! I thought I would find rationale on here not a load of new-age clap-trap, I think some of you should visit the Quackwatch sight. Nothing personal you understand, Regards Chris (BH) *How* do you know that they are a load of twaddle? By watching Hollywood movies? Which one strikes you the most? The world of Fumanchu in which an acupuncturist is depicted as a sinister man ? This guy hides in the dark ally of Chinatown, being prepared to pop out at any time to snatch a white woman inside the ally, and start piecing her skull with long needles.... Were you born in a small town in the US south??? hahahha Try the Sweden site: http://www.yts.se/english/index.htm Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ >Yes, I´m from Denmark. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> have passed the 'controlled' experiments carried out by 'modern' >> doctors in the west. Who started that rumor anyway, the one about the "west" inventing lies and greed? > Yes, I´m from Denmark. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > have passed the 'controlled' experiments carried out by 'modern' > > doctors in the west.
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