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nospamman27 - 31 Aug 2003 17:04 GMT
-but beyond that it's a decision tree.-

For sure, before you make any decisions about listening to anything
this a.shole has to say, base your decisions on some of these gems
from this scumbag that should be severely beaten:

Kelly

"Don't need to.  All I have to do is present a compendium of
"Martin's"
posts over the past year, which clearly indiciate his ability to do
some kind of work for compensation.  The government could choose to
investigate or not."

-Nagler

"That will be for the courts to consider if the government decides to
pursue a fraud case against Conlon."

-Nagler

"Yea, Sandy.  No doubt about who Martin is (g).

And I'm going to help him get a job."

-Nagler

And a conversation with another poster and Nagler, on how he tryed to
destroy a person's life by attempting to interfere with his obtaining
SS benefits.

Dr. Nagler, would you provide me with the address of the Judge to whom
you will be sending this letter.

I wish to send him a complete, unaltered, copy of all communication
between you and Steve Conlon and others on this newslist that I
believe shows how you have stalked him, demeaned him and even attacked
his wife and children and how you have done the same to others.

This will include the posts that were so outrageous that many on the
list rose up and cried out and you later apologized for your comments.
Actually it will include several apologies you have made and promises
you made to change and do better. It will also show how you broke
those promises.

The data will include the many slanderous names you have called people
and your constant provocations that never cease, never know a time
limit and never know when to stop. It will also show how those people
in turn did the same to you.

I will also include the post where I congratulated you as being a good
salesman of TRT, I forget the exact phrasing, and where you proceeded
to fly off the handled, start a message with my name in the subject
and belittle me. I will include the text of the message where you use
vulgar and abusive
language and are obviously out of control.

I will then include the your email one or two months later where you
are trying to sell one $40 tape to someone on this list and the entire
email sounds like one of those commercials on TV for buy one get two
free and its worth $80. Indeed you sounded like a TV huckster trying
to sell his wares.

I will then include the email I sent to you directly rather than to
the list where I pointed out how good a sales man you were and how you
replied back to me that other people had done the same and that you
wouldn't do it again.

I will include your email to me where you state that you just can't
get over your obsession with Steve.

Here is a part of it:

****I really hate this sh.t, Jack.  Probably involved only because of
my
addictive personality ... which is why I don't play golf -- they'd
never get me off the links!****

Anyway, I hope my "Announcement & Request" thread will end it.

As far as the post to which you refer above, it was an earlier opening
I just couldn't resist.  Kind of elegant in its simplicity, don't ya
think?

Be well.  Thanks for your level head.

Stephen Nagler, MD
Stephen Nagler - 31 Aug 2003 18:18 GMT
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:31:30 -0400, "Howard N. Gutnick"
<hgutnick@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I read this newsgroup, but post very little. For those of you who obsess
>over Nagler, it can only be concluded that Nagler has won. And it's no
>contest. It's a laugher. You spend all of your time concentrating on what
>he's said, what he says, and what he will say even when he doesn't post,
>that it's obvious he's in your brain and festering there. He has control
>over you and you've let him. It's total victory.

..................

It's a victory in a battle I do not wish to fight - and never did.

All I wish for is for this newsgroup to be the kind of productive
place where the discussion is about tinnitus and supporting each other
- not about criticizing each other.  A place where all who wish to
contribute productively may feel free to do so - and where those who
wish to act hostilly or counterproductively will choose not to.

I'd like it to be the kind of place where you, Howard, will once again
want to participate.  And where Ron Yoli, Steve Conlon, John Simpson,
Jim Chinnis, Sue Fein, Murray Grossan, Stephen Nagler, Terri (nick),
and anybody else who wishes to participate will do so - side by side -
battling the real enemies: tinnitus and ignorance.

If that were to happen, then we would all be victors.

smn
terri231@knowspam.mam - 31 Aug 2003 18:44 GMT
>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:31:30 -0400, "Howard N. Gutnick"
><hgutnick@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
>smn

You can't recreate yourself.  You periodically hope people will forget
your abhorrent behavior, but it won't happen.

You can delete the posts you made with the most offensive of the
remarks, but they are preserved in the text of other posts and will be
remembered.

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
Stephen Nagler - 31 Aug 2003 22:54 GMT
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:31:30 -0400, "Howard N. Gutnick"
<hgutnick@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I read this newsgroup, but post very little. For those of you who obsess
>over Nagler, it can only be concluded that Nagler has won. And it's no
>contest. It's a laugher. You spend all of your time concentrating on what
>he's said, what he says, and what he will say even when he doesn't post,
>that it's obvious he's in your brain and festering there. He has control
>over you and you've let him. It's total victory.

..................

It's a victory in a battle I do not wish to fight - and never did.

All I wish for is for this newsgroup to be the kind of productive
place where the discussion is about tinnitus and supporting each other
- not about criticizing each other.  A place where all who wish to
contribute productively may feel free to do so - and where those who
wish to act hostilly or counterproductively will choose not to.

I'd like it to be the kind of place where you, Howard, will once again
want to participate.  And where Ron Yoli, Steve Conlon, John Simpson,
Jim Chinnis, Sue Fein, Murray Grossan, Stephen Nagler, Terri (nick),
and anybody else who wishes to participate will do so - side by side -
battling the real enemies: tinnitus and ignorance.

If that were to happen, then we would all be victors.

smn
terri231@knowspam.mam - 31 Aug 2003 23:42 GMT
>On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:31:30 -0400, "Howard N. Gutnick"
><hgutnick@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
>If that were to happen, then we would all be victors.

It doesn't get more palatable each time you regurgitate it, does it?

And, it still won't make people forget your meanspirited glee just one
day ago over the prospect of interfering with someone's SS disability
benefits on nothing more than a hunch that he was posting here as
Martin.  

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
Martin - 01 Sep 2003 01:03 GMT
>It doesn't get more palatable each time you regurgitate it, does it?

Terri, I saw "A Beautiful Mind" the other night. Would you consider
the following? Maybe you had the right book but the wrong page?

"A coodinated campaign to destroy my reputation and my
life.  Countless letters.  Countless phone calls.  Countless lies and
half truths."

How to Recognize Schizophrenia

(Aug. 18, 2003) - A person who suffers from schizophrenia will battle
the brain disease for a lifetime. There is no cure, only treatment.

According to the National Institute of Mental Health, approximately 1
percent of the world population suffers from schizophrenia in any
given year.

That means more than 2 million people in the United States are
afflicted. And Flagstaff, with a population of approximately 56,000,
would statistically have approximately 560 people suffering from
schizophrenia.

The disease affects men and women equally. But the disease shows up in
men earlier than women -- typically between the ages of 16 to 25 for
men and 20 to 30 for women.

The causes of schizophrenia are not known, but nearly three decades of
research into the disease points toward a combination of genetic and
behavioral factors, among others. Some studies are focusing on
abnormalities as well as chemical defects in the brain.

Among the symptoms of Schizophrenia are: Delusions -- These are
thoughts that are not real. For instance, paranoid delusions are when
a person thinks everyone is out to harm them, even loved ones.
Distorted thinking -- This is an inability to think straight, or make
sense out of the events going on around the sufferer.

Hallucinations -- This is hearing or seeing things that are not real.
As many as 75 percent of sufferers hear voices at some point.
Emotionlessness -- This is when a sufferer loses the ability to
express emotions.

For people to be diagnosed schizophrenic, they must show at least two
different types of symptoms over a six-month period of time.

When sufferers begin to show symptoms, their behavior changes
dramatically. Once outgoing and personable, they may become
emotionless and antisocial.

Other warning signs that a person may be suffering from schizophrenia
include:

Poor personal hygiene
Depression
Rigid stubbornness
Dropping out of activities
Drug or alcohol abuse
Unexpected hostility
Bizarre behavior
Decline in academic or athletic interests
Inappropriate response

Advocates for the treatment of schizophrenia stress that it takes a
licensed physician to distinguish between the disease and teen growing
pains or drug and alcohol abuse. The disease cannot be cured, but it
can be treated with medication and other non medication treatments,
like self-help groups and counseling to help a sufferer cope with the
disease.

Medication will not prevent the disease from reappearing, although
medication can keep the symptoms from being less severe. Yet, even
taking medications are not a guarantee that a sufferer will not have a
severe relapse.

Relapse rates are much higher when the medications are not used, or
discontinued. Sufferers of schizophrenia often refuse to accept the
fact that they have an illness and refuse to take medications, or
discontinue them when they begin to feel better.

"It is critical that people with schizophrenia stay in treatment even
after recovering from an acute episode," states information from the
Arlington, Va.-based Treatment Advocacy Center, a non-profit
organization working to eliminate barriers to treatment of severe
mental illness.

Approximately 80 percent of sufferers who stop taking medication will
have a relapse with a year. But even if sufferers do stay on
medications, there is still a 30 percent chance they will suffer a
relapse in a year.
terri231@knowspam.mam - 01 Sep 2003 01:17 GMT
>>It doesn't get more palatable each time you regurgitate it, does it?
>
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>medications, there is still a 30 percent chance they will suffer a
>relapse in a year.

I don't know.  Sometimes it seems like manic depression, too.  That's
why examination by a professional is indicated.  There are some things
we don't get to evaluate from this perspective that would assist in
making a final judgement.

I think we can rule out 50% of an "idiot savant" diagnosis, though.

Terri

http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
Martin - 01 Sep 2003 01:39 GMT
>I think we can rule out 50% of an "idiot savant" diagnosis, though.

That's pretty good. I'm going to keep my eye on you as well as Robert
(g).

Martin Aquinas Descartes - I speak therefore I am correct.
Ian Cessant - 01 Sep 2003 19:50 GMT
Would you two please repeat this again every day for the next 18 months?
LOL!

> >>It doesn't get more palatable each time you regurgitate it, does it?
> >
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>
> http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
Robert - 01 Sep 2003 01:27 GMT
"Martin" wrote in message
Terri, I saw "A Beautiful Mind" the other night.

Terrified, mortified, stupefied. BY YOU
Martin - 01 Sep 2003 01:42 GMT
>Terrified, mortified, stupefied. BY YOU

"You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."

Martin Henley Frey Aquinas
Robert - 01 Sep 2003 03:59 GMT
Welcome to the Hotel Tinnitus

> >Terrified, mortified, stupefied. BY YOU
>
> "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."
>
> Martin Henley Frey Aquinas
Martin - 01 Sep 2003 01:49 GMT
>Terrified, mortified, stupefied. BY YOU

Demons on the ceiling
   Thorazine on ice
He is just a prisoner here
   Of his own device

Martin Felder  
Robert - 01 Sep 2003 04:00 GMT
They stabbed it with their steely knives, but they just can't kill the
beast...

> >Terrified, mortified, stupefied. BY YOU
>
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>
> Martin Felder
Frog - 01 Sep 2003 12:44 GMT
"Robert" dangled his rod in the water and hummed:-

> They stabbed it with their steely knives, but they just can't kill the
> beast...

You don?t really need to find out what?s going on
You don?t really want to know just how far it?s gone
Just leave well enough alone
Eat your dirty laundry

LOL!!!

Cheers hic
Gym Bob - 01 Sep 2003 15:29 GMT
"You can check-out but you can never leave"

> They stabbed it with their steely knives, but they just can't kill the
> beast...
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> >
> > Martin Felder
 
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