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nospamman27 - 31 Aug 2003 17:04 GMT -but beyond that it's a decision tree.-
For sure, before you make any decisions about listening to anything this a.shole has to say, base your decisions on some of these gems from this scumbag that should be severely beaten:
Kelly
"Don't need to. All I have to do is present a compendium of "Martin's" posts over the past year, which clearly indiciate his ability to do some kind of work for compensation. The government could choose to investigate or not."
-Nagler
"That will be for the courts to consider if the government decides to pursue a fraud case against Conlon."
-Nagler
"Yea, Sandy. No doubt about who Martin is (g).
And I'm going to help him get a job."
-Nagler
And a conversation with another poster and Nagler, on how he tryed to destroy a person's life by attempting to interfere with his obtaining SS benefits.
Dr. Nagler, would you provide me with the address of the Judge to whom you will be sending this letter.
I wish to send him a complete, unaltered, copy of all communication between you and Steve Conlon and others on this newslist that I believe shows how you have stalked him, demeaned him and even attacked his wife and children and how you have done the same to others.
This will include the posts that were so outrageous that many on the list rose up and cried out and you later apologized for your comments. Actually it will include several apologies you have made and promises you made to change and do better. It will also show how you broke those promises.
The data will include the many slanderous names you have called people and your constant provocations that never cease, never know a time limit and never know when to stop. It will also show how those people in turn did the same to you.
I will also include the post where I congratulated you as being a good salesman of TRT, I forget the exact phrasing, and where you proceeded to fly off the handled, start a message with my name in the subject and belittle me. I will include the text of the message where you use vulgar and abusive language and are obviously out of control.
I will then include the your email one or two months later where you are trying to sell one $40 tape to someone on this list and the entire email sounds like one of those commercials on TV for buy one get two free and its worth $80. Indeed you sounded like a TV huckster trying to sell his wares.
I will then include the email I sent to you directly rather than to the list where I pointed out how good a sales man you were and how you replied back to me that other people had done the same and that you wouldn't do it again.
I will include your email to me where you state that you just can't get over your obsession with Steve.
Here is a part of it:
****I really hate this sh.t, Jack. Probably involved only because of my addictive personality ... which is why I don't play golf -- they'd never get me off the links!****
Anyway, I hope my "Announcement & Request" thread will end it.
As far as the post to which you refer above, it was an earlier opening I just couldn't resist. Kind of elegant in its simplicity, don't ya think?
Be well. Thanks for your level head.
Stephen Nagler, MD
Stephen Nagler - 31 Aug 2003 18:18 GMT On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:31:30 -0400, "Howard N. Gutnick" <hgutnick@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I read this newsgroup, but post very little. For those of you who obsess >over Nagler, it can only be concluded that Nagler has won. And it's no >contest. It's a laugher. You spend all of your time concentrating on what >he's said, what he says, and what he will say even when he doesn't post, >that it's obvious he's in your brain and festering there. He has control >over you and you've let him. It's total victory. ..................
It's a victory in a battle I do not wish to fight - and never did.
All I wish for is for this newsgroup to be the kind of productive place where the discussion is about tinnitus and supporting each other - not about criticizing each other. A place where all who wish to contribute productively may feel free to do so - and where those who wish to act hostilly or counterproductively will choose not to.
I'd like it to be the kind of place where you, Howard, will once again want to participate. And where Ron Yoli, Steve Conlon, John Simpson, Jim Chinnis, Sue Fein, Murray Grossan, Stephen Nagler, Terri (nick), and anybody else who wishes to participate will do so - side by side - battling the real enemies: tinnitus and ignorance.
If that were to happen, then we would all be victors.
smn
terri231@knowspam.mam - 31 Aug 2003 18:44 GMT >On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:31:30 -0400, "Howard N. Gutnick" ><hgutnick@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >smn You can't recreate yourself. You periodically hope people will forget your abhorrent behavior, but it won't happen.
You can delete the posts you made with the most offensive of the remarks, but they are preserved in the text of other posts and will be remembered.
Terri
http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
Stephen Nagler - 31 Aug 2003 22:54 GMT On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:31:30 -0400, "Howard N. Gutnick" <hgutnick@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I read this newsgroup, but post very little. For those of you who obsess >over Nagler, it can only be concluded that Nagler has won. And it's no >contest. It's a laugher. You spend all of your time concentrating on what >he's said, what he says, and what he will say even when he doesn't post, >that it's obvious he's in your brain and festering there. He has control >over you and you've let him. It's total victory. ..................
It's a victory in a battle I do not wish to fight - and never did.
All I wish for is for this newsgroup to be the kind of productive place where the discussion is about tinnitus and supporting each other - not about criticizing each other. A place where all who wish to contribute productively may feel free to do so - and where those who wish to act hostilly or counterproductively will choose not to.
I'd like it to be the kind of place where you, Howard, will once again want to participate. And where Ron Yoli, Steve Conlon, John Simpson, Jim Chinnis, Sue Fein, Murray Grossan, Stephen Nagler, Terri (nick), and anybody else who wishes to participate will do so - side by side - battling the real enemies: tinnitus and ignorance.
If that were to happen, then we would all be victors.
smn
terri231@knowspam.mam - 31 Aug 2003 23:42 GMT >On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:31:30 -0400, "Howard N. Gutnick" ><hgutnick@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >If that were to happen, then we would all be victors. It doesn't get more palatable each time you regurgitate it, does it?
And, it still won't make people forget your meanspirited glee just one day ago over the prospect of interfering with someone's SS disability benefits on nothing more than a hunch that he was posting here as Martin.
Terri
http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
Martin - 01 Sep 2003 01:03 GMT >It doesn't get more palatable each time you regurgitate it, does it? Terri, I saw "A Beautiful Mind" the other night. Would you consider the following? Maybe you had the right book but the wrong page?
"A coodinated campaign to destroy my reputation and my life. Countless letters. Countless phone calls. Countless lies and half truths."
How to Recognize Schizophrenia
(Aug. 18, 2003) - A person who suffers from schizophrenia will battle the brain disease for a lifetime. There is no cure, only treatment.
According to the National Institute of Mental Health, approximately 1 percent of the world population suffers from schizophrenia in any given year.
That means more than 2 million people in the United States are afflicted. And Flagstaff, with a population of approximately 56,000, would statistically have approximately 560 people suffering from schizophrenia.
The disease affects men and women equally. But the disease shows up in men earlier than women -- typically between the ages of 16 to 25 for men and 20 to 30 for women.
The causes of schizophrenia are not known, but nearly three decades of research into the disease points toward a combination of genetic and behavioral factors, among others. Some studies are focusing on abnormalities as well as chemical defects in the brain.
Among the symptoms of Schizophrenia are: Delusions -- These are thoughts that are not real. For instance, paranoid delusions are when a person thinks everyone is out to harm them, even loved ones. Distorted thinking -- This is an inability to think straight, or make sense out of the events going on around the sufferer.
Hallucinations -- This is hearing or seeing things that are not real. As many as 75 percent of sufferers hear voices at some point. Emotionlessness -- This is when a sufferer loses the ability to express emotions.
For people to be diagnosed schizophrenic, they must show at least two different types of symptoms over a six-month period of time.
When sufferers begin to show symptoms, their behavior changes dramatically. Once outgoing and personable, they may become emotionless and antisocial.
Other warning signs that a person may be suffering from schizophrenia include:
Poor personal hygiene Depression Rigid stubbornness Dropping out of activities Drug or alcohol abuse Unexpected hostility Bizarre behavior Decline in academic or athletic interests Inappropriate response
Advocates for the treatment of schizophrenia stress that it takes a licensed physician to distinguish between the disease and teen growing pains or drug and alcohol abuse. The disease cannot be cured, but it can be treated with medication and other non medication treatments, like self-help groups and counseling to help a sufferer cope with the disease.
Medication will not prevent the disease from reappearing, although medication can keep the symptoms from being less severe. Yet, even taking medications are not a guarantee that a sufferer will not have a severe relapse.
Relapse rates are much higher when the medications are not used, or discontinued. Sufferers of schizophrenia often refuse to accept the fact that they have an illness and refuse to take medications, or discontinue them when they begin to feel better.
"It is critical that people with schizophrenia stay in treatment even after recovering from an acute episode," states information from the Arlington, Va.-based Treatment Advocacy Center, a non-profit organization working to eliminate barriers to treatment of severe mental illness.
Approximately 80 percent of sufferers who stop taking medication will have a relapse with a year. But even if sufferers do stay on medications, there is still a 30 percent chance they will suffer a relapse in a year.
terri231@knowspam.mam - 01 Sep 2003 01:17 GMT >>It doesn't get more palatable each time you regurgitate it, does it? > [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] >medications, there is still a 30 percent chance they will suffer a >relapse in a year. I don't know. Sometimes it seems like manic depression, too. That's why examination by a professional is indicated. There are some things we don't get to evaluate from this perspective that would assist in making a final judgement.
I think we can rule out 50% of an "idiot savant" diagnosis, though.
Terri
http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport
Martin - 01 Sep 2003 01:39 GMT >I think we can rule out 50% of an "idiot savant" diagnosis, though. That's pretty good. I'm going to keep my eye on you as well as Robert (g).
Martin Aquinas Descartes - I speak therefore I am correct.
Ian Cessant - 01 Sep 2003 19:50 GMT Would you two please repeat this again every day for the next 18 months? LOL!
> >>It doesn't get more palatable each time you regurgitate it, does it? > > [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] > > http://pub219.ezboard.com/btinnitusactivismandsupport Robert - 01 Sep 2003 01:27 GMT "Martin" wrote in message Terri, I saw "A Beautiful Mind" the other night.
Terrified, mortified, stupefied. BY YOU
Martin - 01 Sep 2003 01:42 GMT >Terrified, mortified, stupefied. BY YOU "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."
Martin Henley Frey Aquinas
Robert - 01 Sep 2003 03:59 GMT Welcome to the Hotel Tinnitus
> >Terrified, mortified, stupefied. BY YOU > > "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave." > > Martin Henley Frey Aquinas Martin - 01 Sep 2003 01:49 GMT >Terrified, mortified, stupefied. BY YOU Demons on the ceiling Thorazine on ice He is just a prisoner here Of his own device
Martin Felder
Robert - 01 Sep 2003 04:00 GMT They stabbed it with their steely knives, but they just can't kill the beast...
> >Terrified, mortified, stupefied. BY YOU > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Martin Felder Frog - 01 Sep 2003 12:44 GMT "Robert" dangled his rod in the water and hummed:-
> They stabbed it with their steely knives, but they just can't kill the > beast... You don?t really need to find out what?s going on You don?t really want to know just how far it?s gone Just leave well enough alone Eat your dirty laundry
LOL!!!
Cheers hic
Gym Bob - 01 Sep 2003 15:29 GMT "You can check-out but you can never leave"
> They stabbed it with their steely knives, but they just can't kill the > beast... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > > Martin Felder
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