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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / March 2006A strong suggestion to all the NEW tinnitus sufferers
About a couple of years ago, my tinnitus surfaced. I came to this group named AST and made the fatal error of subscribing to the 'tinnitus authorities' in this group. These authoritative figures, mostly American doctors, espoused that there is no cure for tinnitus and the only solution to cope with tinnitus is 'habituation'. Later on, my tinnitus flared up! During its onset, the suffering was so immense. I remember I once told my family doctor that if he could take care of my ill I would have given him all I had got. About six months later, I ran into 2 persons in China. One is a physician. They told me the experiences they had had with tinnitus. Once they experienced tinnitus, they were 'rushed' to hospital for intravenous injection of blood vessel dilating medicine. This is almost a standard procedure for new tinnitus patients in all the state hosptials in China whose causes of t are unknown. At the point of my talking to them, their t was cured! According to them, it is common knowledge amongst the ENT doctors in China that once the t gets old, it becomes more difficult to treat. The Chinese doctors may not have as much fancy theories as the American doctors but they have had a lot of down-to-earth EXPERIENCE with patients in an environment where lawsuits against doctors are relatively rare. Thus I am strongly suggesting to those of you whose t is new: do NOT take such a laxative attitude in that the only way to cope with t is to 'live with it' or to 'habituate'. I think you should seek _medical_ treatment right away when you first experience t and you should do that before your t gets old! Most doctors do NOT know how to treat tinnitus and they are too cowardly to admit it. So go with the ones that have had EXPERIENCES in treating t. GO BEFORE YOUR TINNITUS GETS OLD! FP FP, Thanks for this, but it came to me 15 years too late:-) I had been under "habituating" for a couple of years at the onset. Although it didn't cure tinnitus, it didn't get worse. I believe one problem with ear doctors is that they (probably most of them) never experience tinnitus in their lives. Yet they are experts who go tell every tinnitus suffers that it could not be cured. I had been treated that way by both doctors in the UK and in Thailand. Personally, I do believe that, in most cases, tinnitus can be cured. But it isn't one size fits all. Best, VB www.tinnitusblogger.com > FP, > I believe one problem with ear doctors is that they (probably most of > them) never experience tinnitus in their lives. Hmmm- using that reasoning,oncologists shouldn't be treating cancer patients who have never had cancer themselves. Or ob/gyn docs should not deliver babies unless they have "experienced" delivery themselves. >Yet they are experts > who go tell every tinnitus suffers that it could not be cured. I had > been treated that way by both doctors in the UK and in Thailand. That is because THERE is NO "cure-all" treatment for tinnitus and anyone who claims such is a quack!!If IV's did actually work (what the village idiot espouses) for tinnitus I don't see any documentation or studies of such- where's the proof?? Yes,there are treatment options that can definitely help SOME people and there are some forms of tinnitus that are self-limiting but the idiots who claim that most types of tinnitus are curable are mis-guided, naive, or ill-informed. > Personally, I do believe that, in most cases, tinnitus can be cured. > But it isn't one size fits all. Please post what treatment(s) "cures" tinnitus. I'd like to know. Tinnitus is one of those conditions that is still outside the realm of medicine but hopefully future research will yield clues on how to treat it and hopefully, cure it. frank On 11/1/05 7:54 AM, in article 1130860447.809567.26500@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "drfrank21@gmail.com" > Yes,there are treatment options that can definitely help SOME people > and there are some forms of tinnitus that are self-limiting but the > idiots who claim that most types of tinnitus are curable are > mis-guided, naive, or ill-informed. Turns out that the majority of tinnitus patients who come in convinced that nothing can be done,( the ones dragged in by their families) turn out to have hypertension - untreated - salicylate toxicity or cochlear hydrops. All of which is treatable. True story: Mother lives in London and comes to visit daughter in Los Angeles. Daughter literally and somewhat physically drags her mother to my office because she has tinnitus and can't hear. Mother protests, "Its God's will". Daughter yells, "But mother you can't hear". Daughter insists she be seen by me. 30 minutes later, after the wax was removed from her ears, mother says, "Blimey, I can 'ere again!" Add her to the "nothing can be done for tinnitus" list. Of course, no one here would be the kind of person to ignore BP, Hydrops, Cerumen, Drug Toxicity, etc. > Turns out that the majority of tinnitus patients who come in convinced that > nothing can be done,( the ones dragged in by their families) turn out to > have hypertension - untreated - salicylate toxicity or cochlear hydrops. > All of which is treatable. A friend of mine takes Norvasc for high BP but it is that which causes a whooshing in her ears, so what should she do? Pud Pud, I suggest s/he asks the doctor. I am not sure who else are here, but I am only a tinnitus sufferer! Off topic, Although some doctors say Valium sometimes cause louder tinnitus, it works for me. But I won't recommend this to anyone though because it is addicted. VB www.tinnitusblogger.com On 11/6/05 9:43 AM, in article 1131299002.345511.207060@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "VB" <viranod@gmail.com> wrote: > Pud, I suggest s/he asks the doctor. I am not sure who else are here, > but I am only a tinnitus sufferer! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > www.tinnitusblogger.com I have never found that Vallium makes the tinnitus louder. Indeed, very low dose Vallium is better for dizzy symptoms that any other product. As to addiction, I have seen more cases of chocolate and doughnut addiction. Frank, I don't know anyone who have told me themselves that they got rid of tinnitus. I only heard secondhand stories, probably from J Sheldrake (TRT). I believe that tinnitus caused by stress and anxiety can be cured. But we have to deal with the cause of stress and anxiety also, which may be in the patients' characteristics that are hard to change. VB > Frank, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > VB I agree with your post. Only difference of opinion is that I believe stress and tension exacerbate and worsens tinnitus symptoms but does not cause tinnitus (unless you're referring to physical muscle stress and tension). That's why I believe that biofeedback, hypnotherapy, and relaxation techniques could be more effective than other so-called cures. frank Once again, we come back to the difficulty associated with finding out the cause of tinnitus. Right? The idea of applying 'blood vessel dilating medicine' is to improve the blood circulation in all areas _in the hope that_ the blood circulation is also improved of the blind spot(s) which might be the source of tinnitus! Ginkgo biloba uses the same principle. The problem with gingko ills is that they are poorly regulated. For the past 2 years, I have used 4 kinds. 2 work, one marginally while one does not seem to produce any result at all. Currently, I am using the ones made by Century 21 in Arizona. They are pretty good pills. If the practice of applying blood vessel dilating medicine to all new patients were useless, the Chinese medical establishment would not have implemented this practice in practically all state hospitals throughout the entire country. They arrived at that conclusion through years of EXPERIENCE with so many patients! They know it is not a cure-for-all treatment but enough patients have had good results from this treatment. The American doctors, conceited as they are, do NOT even look! FP > > FP, > > I believe one problem with ear doctors is that they (probably most of [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > That is because THERE is NO "cure-all" treatment for tinnitus and > anyone who claims such is a quack!! You are missing the entire point, drfrank! There is no cure-all treatment but there are _medical_ treatments by which 'new' t patients can benefit in terms of (1)preventing the new t from blossoming or 'flaring up' (2)tremendously cutting down the degree of intrusiveness during the initial period. Just (1) alone is already worthy of trying it out!!! FP =================================== If IV's did actually work (what the > village idiot espouses) for tinnitus I don't see any documentation or > studies of such- where's the proof?? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > frank On 11/1/05 2:57 PM, in article 1130885875.608384.84650@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "fyfpoon@gmail.com" > That is because THERE is NO "cure-all" treatment for tinnitus and >> anyone who claims such is a quack!! So, is he a quack because he cures tinnitus due to hypertension, cochlear hydrops, drug toxicity or aneurism or metabolic disorder? Is he a quack because he treats military with tinnitus? It he a quack because he removes cerumen are stops the tinnitus? Until you have ruled out the treatable aspects of tinnitus you may be denying yourself the benefits available to you. > On 11/1/05 2:57 PM, in article > 1130885875.608384.84650@g44g2000cwa. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Until you have ruled out the treatable aspects of tinnitus you may be > denying yourself the benefits available to you. Murray, you're missing the point. Anybody that claims that there is a single "cure-all" for every type of tinnitus is a quack. I'm referring specifically to the herbal remedies or any other treatment that claims it can cure all types of tinnitus. That doesn't mean that there are not treatments available for certain types of tinnitus such as wax impaction. I've never seen any stats for the "cure-rate" for tinnitus but I'd imagine it's very low. Or do you really think that all tinnitus is curable?? frank An encouraging website about a possible tinnitus treatment: http://www.upcspine.com/greg5.htm Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ snipped.... > Murray, you're missing the point. Anybody that claims that there is > a single "cure-all" for every type of tinnitus is a quack. Fortuntatey, NO ONE has ever claimed there is a "single cure-all" for every type of tinnitus and as a result there is NO quack here. > I'm referring specifically to the herbal remedies or any other > treatment that claims it can cure all types of tinnitus. Where on earth have you ever seen statements of such dogmatic nature ever made in this group? Or that you have just invented this in order to set up your own strawman? FP snipped.... > snipped.... >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > snipped.... probably Francis, some here have no sense of diu gaa. I know china has her problems but I would want to be there. HK has the best medical care in the world. The procedure to treat new cases of tinnitus just made the affirmation. > > snipped.... > >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > problems but I would want to be there. HK has the best medical care in the > world. Someone in the HK government once mentioned to me about that. At least the hospitals in HK would not throw a patient out and allow him/her to bleed to death in front of the hospital because the patient does not have health insurance. The procedure to treat new cases of tinnitus just made the > affirmation. That is INSIDE the mainland of China but not in HK. HK even after the handover is still under the jurisdiction of the British system as far as the medical profession is concerned. FP What is cochlear hydrops?  SignatureN Farrell, SoCal > So, is he a quack because he cures tinnitus due to hypertension, cochlear > hydrops, drug toxicity or aneurism or metabolic disorder? > Is he a quack because he treats military with tinnitus? > I believe one problem with ear doctors is that they (probably most of > them) never experience tinnitus in their lives. That is also my beliefe. Early-on, I told my nephew, who was in medical school at the time, about my tinnitus. He replied that he though it was in my mind; my imagination!. But that reply was very revelaing to me. How can one expect a medical profesional to treat something that is invisible, that is not elaborated upon by his education, that only a a tiny fraction of the population experiences, that as often as not the sufferer cannot even descibe clearly? > Yet they are experts > who go tell every tinnitus suffers that it could not be cured. At least they do not pursue the "Quack" route. > I had > been treated that way by both doctors in the UK and in Thailand. > Personally, I do believe that, in most cases, tinnitus can be cured. > But it isn't one size fits all. Agreed. But rhough groups such as this, the phenomenon is being widely described so that the medial profession cannot claim it to be only imaginative. The circulation approach (vaso dialators) seems to have the best promise, IMHO. I look at it this way: The complintant starts with a perfectly good orgqnism, he/she knew what good hearing was and is. Ergo, the tinnitus is a process of fault. It seems that traumtic damage, either chemical or mechanical, is the root cause of the anomaly; spurious tones and sounds are being auto-generated by the hearing system. We know that "life" as we know it includes healing mechanisms, some more robust (skin cuts that heal) than others (eye retinal damage) are not; often no healing can occur. The self-healing apability of the ear system falls somewhere in that spectrum. We also know that a vast majority of the healing process, likely all of it, comes from materials transported by the blood circulation system (various plasmas circulate as well, those via "profusion" rather than blood circulation). The ear liquids seem to be of the latter category. The least we can do in aiding the self-healing prosess is to stimulate circulation of all these materials. Angelo Campanella Angelo Campanella > Best, > > VB > > www.tinnitusblogger.com Angelo Campanella <a.campanella@att.net> wrote in news:S54Ff.6964$fM1.4034 @bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > That is also my beliefe. Early-on, I told my nephew, who was in medical > school at the time, about my tinnitus. He replied that he though it was > in my mind; my imagination!. But that reply was very revelaing to me. Not necessarily. My ENT has had it for years. He even stated that at times It's the loudest thing in the room - even when at a movie. SignatureWilliam Porto http://www.privatesounds.net A blog about tinnitus and other things. Why do you still go and visit him? He does not know how to treat it himself. What is his solution to you? Habituation? My tinnitus used to be extremely loud and I managed to bring it down to a very low level. How did you do it? > Why do you still go and visit him? He does not know how to treat it > himself. What is his solution to you? Habituation? My tinnitus used > to be extremely loud and I managed to bring it down to a very low level.
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