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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / November 2005tinnitus worse outside
My elderly mother suffers terribly from tinnitus. I'm not there but am being petitioned to *do* something about what has become an impossible situation. I'd like to gather as much information as possible before I telephone her (new) doctor. Why does she have such trouble outside? She lives in her own home, is ambulatory, and would like to be around people in a limited way but any excursion results in a quick return home, sometimes before she's off the property! She says the noise in her head increases to a gushing roar, holds her hands up to her ears and winces and moans. But what is most critical is that even on a hot summer day she says her forehead and sinuses are freezing and the wind is unbearable. (There is no wind.) Her tinnitus is very long standing but she has coped. In the past couple years it has become debilitating. Why is this so exaggerated when outside? She has nerve deafness so this cannot be related to ambient noise, can it? > My elderly mother suffers terribly from tinnitus. I'm not there but am > being petitioned to *do* something about what has become an impossible > situation. I'd like to gather as much information as possible before I > telephone her (new) doctor. So are you going to be an information gatherer for her new doctor? Is her doctor able to do anything about it? Obviously not! Do you know more about tinnitus than her new doctor? I suggest if the 'new' doctor is unable to do anything about it for her, she should move to another doctor...and then another new doctor. And after trying a few doctors with no results, move to an alternative doctor such as an acupuncturist. There is no short cut...Well there is, it is called habituation. FP Why does she have such trouble outside? She > lives in her own home, is ambulatory, and would like to be around > people in a limited way but any excursion results in a quick return [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Why is this so exaggerated when outside? She has nerve deafness so this > cannot be related to ambient noise, can it? > > My elderly mother suffers terribly from tinnitus. I'm not there but am > > being petitioned to *do* something about what has become an impossible > > situation. I'd like to gather as much information as possible before I > > telephone her (new) doctor. > > So are you going to be an information gatherer for her new doctor? No. I'm an information gatherer for me. >Is her doctor able to do anything about it? Obviously not! Do you know > more about tinnitus than her new doctor? I have an elderly parent thousands of miles away who looks to me for care and management of her health and life now. > I suggest if the 'new' doctor is unable to do anything about it for > her, she should move to another doctor...\ This is not possible when one is 97. and then another new doctor. > And after trying a few doctors with no results, move to an alternative > doctor such as an acupuncturist. There is no short cut...Well there > is, it is called habituation. Could you elaborate on "habituation"? > FP > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Why is this so exaggerated when outside? She has nerve deafness so this > > cannot be related to ambient noise, can it? snipped... > Could you elaborate on "habituation"? I am no expert, nor am I a fan of 'habituation' espoused in this group. I suppose it refers to a state in which one accepts the ringing as a part of the self and the problem will disappear. Talk to other people like drfrank or Jim Chinnis and see if they will come up with a solution for your relative. FP ================ > snipped... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > FP > ================ >From what I've read it doesn't sound reasonable in her situation. I would guess not, and I would say that she is being bothered by something about which the doctors either have no clue or are unable to treat. Have you been reading my previous posts? Perhaps you could dig them out, go over them and see if some of the 'folk' methods would help. One of the harmless methods is to do away with her pillow or use a towel wrapped up to support her neck at night. The idea is to allow the body to lie flat so that blood circulation or oxygen supply in the head can be facilitated. That is what I have found helps me. The use of a high pillow in many people's cases has led to the slow recovery of tinnitus for the simple reason that blood circulation in the head becomes more difficult with a high pillow. I used to live in Canada for many years and currently in China. Practically the entire Chinese medical establishment points to poor blood circulation and oxygen supply in the head as *one* of the possible causes of tinnitus. But then again, many high-tech doctors in the good old US of A disapprove of this theory but instead focus on 'habituation' or whatever it is. FP > My elderly mother suffers terribly from tinnitus. I'm not there but am > being petitioned to *do* something about what has become an impossible [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Why is this so exaggerated when outside? She has nerve deafness so this > cannot be related to ambient noise, can it? Your mother needs to have a complete medical work-up to rule out problems such as a sinus related condition. Tinnitus usually isn't progressive like this and I doubt that normal "outdoor" ambient noise (unless she lives next to an airport or a neighbor with a jack hammer) would cause such a dramatic shift in her tinnitus. Good luck. frank drfran...@gmail.com wrote: > > My elderly mother suffers terribly from tinnitus. I'm not there but am > > being petitioned to *do* something about what has become an impossible [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > frank Thank you for your response. She has had one doctor after another for this, over about 30 years of being completely deaf, and the preceding 50 of nerve deaf in one ear, and partial deafness in the other. This is not new, only worse. She sometimes even bleeds from one ear; is given antibiotics, decongestants, pain medication. It seems to subside only to return again and again, and yes with runny nose and terribly long-lasting cold. She now refuses to use meds for the most part. It's very difficult long distance. And my purpose at posting here is to see if anyone could illuminate my understanding *before* I spend a lot of $ on phone calls to one or more people including a physician. She doesn't hear anything. Ambient inside or outdoors. > Thank you for your response. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > She doesn't hear anything. Ambient inside or outdoors. Likewise, it's virtually impossible for anyone here to comment or give any useful advice with such complex ongoing medical problems that your mother is having. Without knowing her past history of diagnoses and treatments makes it even more difficult to help you shed light regarding her problems. Chronic sinus and/or ear/uri infections can be tough to manage, especially in the elderly population and only worsens if the person becomes (through frustration or other reasons) non-compliant with the treatment regimen. Taking care of elderly parents, especially long distance,is very tough but I do hope you can get some help for your mother. frank > > Thank you for your response. > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > frank Yes, even without this particular problem, caring for elderly relatives long-distance is very difficult. With my mother, there have been infections in the past, but this escalated noise when outside goes on whether or not there's an infection, and has for years. Perhaps it's just ability to cope that has worsened because she doesn't always complain (so vociferously). I just don't understand where it comes from in one who has nerve deafness. Nevertheless, I've now contacted someone privately who should be able to enlighten me. Thanks again for your responses. on HABITUATION, please see this http://www.tinnitus.org/home/frame/THC1.htm and go to the link "TRT". It's all there. there are quite a few pages though. VB www.tinnitusblogger.com fresh~horses@despammed.com wrote in part: >> > Thank you for your response. >> > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >someone privately who should be able to enlighten me. Thanks again for >your responses. I agree with drfrank. There are just too many possibilities. In addition to things mentioned, there are even cases of herpetic disease of the cranial nerves that can cause hypersensitivity and odd symptoms, including tinnitus. What caused her deafness originally? Can she detect any external sound at all? Does she experience dizziness?  SignatureJim Chinnis / Warrenton, Virginia, USA Want to discuss Meniere's? See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenieresDG She has not only tinnitus, she is also having a symptom of "sound allergy". It may have something to do with a diminishing "what is it reflex". I have it, and sometimes I have to flee from high noices, (noises)
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