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Mr. X - 23 Oct 2005 18:36 GMT
Hi all,
I just developed a ringing in my right ear.  It is high pitched and never
goes away, although I can forget about it sometimes.  I can hear computer
monitors when they are displaying nothing.  I believe the cause is stress,
including my son's autism diagnosis, a daughter that I thought might be deaf
(but turned out not to be), and the general stress of having a newborn
starting July 27.  I think it started when I took my two older kids on a
camping trip and got a max of 30 minutes sleep.  I am almost 36, and my body
just feels like it was not designed for this abuse.

I went to the ENT and he said I had no hearing loss.  I had an MRI, which I
have results this week, although the ENT told me it is most likely that it
will reveal nothing.  I'm trying to develop coping strategies, tell me what
you think.

1.    No checking by putting my finger in my ear as an earplug.  I have
noticed that the action of checking on tinnitus actually causes tinnitus,
especially increasing the stress level.  Before this, I made a rule that I
could listen for my tinnitus only about 1.5 seconds.  I believe that
listening for it causes it to come.

2.    I tried Ginko 2X per day, but didn't really see anyting in 4 weeks.
Maybe it helps at night.  Actually, it's probably the placebo effect.

3.    I will wait for my tinnitus to go away, or expect it to get better.  I
don't even expect to not notice it.  Maybe these things will happen, but
hoping for them makes the situation worse.  I thought that when my situation
improved and my stressors improved, the tinnitus would go away, but that
sort of fuels the anxiety.

4.    My goal is to program myself to believe that I can have joy an
fullfillment in my life regardless of this sound in my ear.    I want to
believe this, and believe this is possible, so I think that a hypnotist
might be helpful giving me such a suggestion.  Because this is where the
willpower really comes in.

5.   There is some sort of auditory retraining therapy, which seems the most
effective.  This is what I think my ENT will recommend.  I'll try anything.

6.    As for masking, I know they have hearing aids and that is great.  But
I wanted to try other therapies before I try to cover it up.  I read another
poster in another newsgroup that used a signal generator to create a tone
that was slightly lower in frequency than his tinnitus and it worked great
for him.  I was thinking of trying the same sort of thing, since I have
access to such equipment.

7.    I know, change my lifestyle.  But with 3 young kids, I am either at
work or watching kids and feel trapped in the situation.  We have no family
here and my wife also feels overwhelmed.  I have no free time.  I do my jump
rope 120 times after I get out of my car to work, and that's about all the
exercise routine I have time for.  I tried online weight watchers, and
perhaps this could help.  I have heard cutting salt can help with tinitus.

8.    These things make my tinnitus worse:
   (1)  Paying attention to it in any way, shape or form
   (2)  If I drink more than alcholic drink  I'm not a drinker, but
sometimes                 other people from work buy me some.  I am getting
more strict about             just saying no and getting water.
   (3)  When I come near any sort of monitor or TV set, I hear the high
pitched sound and it reminds me of my tinitus.  Besides reminding me, I
wonder if it agitates it as well.
   (4)  Baby screaming, because it keeps me from concentrating on anything
for too long.
    Here's things that make it better:
   (1)  My CPAP machine makes white noise at night, and I have no
problems sleeping.
   (2)  Any noise like crickets chirping or outdoor noise helps.  I think
the logic is that I reason that everybody hears these and are not bothered
by them, so why am I bothered by my tinitus.  It gives me satisfaction being
able to walk away from any sound and make it go away.
   (3)  Airplane jet engines completely mask my tinitus, but I have heard
that they can agitate this.  I do not know for sure what my situation is.
   (4)  Computer games are great, because they require my attention and
give me something else to focus on.  For that matter, thinking about
something else is the best way to deal with tinnitus for me, but that's not
always easy to do.
   (5)  Reading what others post and venting by writing long posts like
this.  On that topic, I probably should finish this up.

Any other suggestions to help cope with tinnitus?
Murray Grossan - 23 Oct 2005 19:27 GMT
On 10/23/05 10:36 AM, in article QSP6f.470279$_o.158907@attbi_s71, "Mr. X"
<ndbanerjee@insightbb.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I just developed a ringing in my right ear.  It is high pitched and never
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>
> Any other suggestions to help cope with tinnitus?

Stress is not a cause of Tinnitus. Sure, when your tooth hurts, stress makes
it worse, but you still need to get the filling.
Ask your doctor about a trial of a diuretic.
If your hearing is normal, you can't use a hearing aid to mask the tinnitus.
Some suggestions at www.ent-consult.com might help.
Elly Byrne - 23 Oct 2005 21:49 GMT
>Stress is not a cause of Tinnitus. Sure, when your tooth hurts, stress makes
>it worse, but you still need to get the filling.
>Ask your doctor about a trial of a diuretic.
>If your hearing is normal, you can't use a hearing aid to mask the tinnitus.
>Some suggestions at www.ent-consult.com might help.

Stress causes the body to tense up. This causes muscle tension
especially in the neck and shoulder areas.

www.ent-consult.com
There are some good ideas here. Just keep looking till you get to the
ears and tinnitus bit.

Elly's Tinnitus Resources
http://eebee.net/
Puddle - 23 Oct 2005 22:36 GMT
> Stress is not a cause of Tinnitus.

How can you possibly say this when NO-ONE knows what causes it?

Pud
Murray Grossan - 24 Oct 2005 03:52 GMT
On 10/23/05 2:36 PM, in article anT6f.11070$6i4.8952@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net,

> How can you possibly say this when NO-ONE knows what causes it?
Viral, hydrops, hypertension, Meniere's,acousic treauma, physical trauma,
ototoxicity, and so on.
Skycloud - 23 Oct 2005 23:29 GMT
> Hi all,
> I just developed a ringing in my right ear.  It is high pitched and never
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>
> Any other suggestions to help cope with tinnitus?

It seems that you have an excellent attitude and that alone is enough for a
promising future.

When one gets really used to it, one doesn't care about it. When one doesn't
care, the brain treats tinnitus as redundant information and you then become
completely unaware of it most of the time.

All of us in this ng seem to have our own pet approaches to dealing with it.
I too listen to white (actually 'blue' noise which is even more effective)
at night.  I've also built a generator that emits pulses of cricket-like
sounds and this helps too; it actually seems to 'discharge' the tinnitus.
And, even though (I believe) my hearing is near-normal, I  use a little
amplifier when my T is really bad. This is particularly effective because it
is tuned to preferentially cover up the high-pitched tinnitus frequencies.
Another tip - I find a tiny daily dose of blood-thinning aspirin helps. I
don't go for Ginkgo Biloba because there have been safety worries about it.

Lastly, when I'm on this ng, it's always bad because I'm thinking about it.
But I must also find it 'interesting' or I wouldn't come here. :)

All the best,

Steve
Mr. X - 24 Oct 2005 02:39 GMT
You are the second one who says aspirin is good for treating tinnitus.  My
ENT and other places on the internet say it makes it worse.  Probably it
depends on the case.  It seems to me that I could try aspirin and just find
out.  For those people who say it makes it worse, I wonder if that is
pernamently worse, or worse for just a day or so.  If I try aspirin, do I
risk making my tinnitus pernamently worse?

>> Hi all,
>> I just developed a ringing in my right ear.  It is high pitched and never
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>
> Steve
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 24 Oct 2005 06:18 GMT
I *heard* it is temperary.  Aspirin is a blood thinner, which is meant
to improve the blood circulation in your head.  Gingko did that for me
but then again it may not work for everyone. The problem with the herb
pill is that the calibration is not well controlled and you really
don't know what is there in the pill.  I would recommend one that I
have used.  It is made from Century 21 in Arizona.  It is made from
100% pure gingko leafs, as is writen on the table.  These tablets are
sold by Watson's in Hong Kong.
Skycloud - 24 Oct 2005 09:07 GMT
> You are the second one who says aspirin is good for treating tinnitus.  My
> ENT and other places on the internet say it makes it worse.  Probably it
> depends on the case.  It seems to me that I could try aspirin and just find
> out.

My quick answer to this is that perhaps a _small_ amount of Aspirin can be
helpful (I take just ¼ tablet a day), whereas a standard dose (say 2
tablets) could make it worse.   In other words the best dose is that
intended for blood 'thinning', not pain relief.

>For those people who say it makes it worse, I wonder if that is
> pernamently worse, or worse for just a day or so.
>If I try aspirin, do I
> risk making my tinnitus pernamently worse?

I would very much doubt it but I really haven't a clue. I'm not medically
qualified.

Steve
Murray Grossan - 25 Oct 2005 05:15 GMT
On 10/24/05 1:07 AM, in article 3s3j2fFm3lr9U1@individual.net, "Skycloud"
<me@privacy.com> wrote:

>> You are the second one who says aspirin is good for treating tinnitus.  My
>> ENT and other places on the internet say it makes it worse.  Probably it
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>
> Steve

Yes, this is quite weird but its true.
Excess aspirin with TEMPORARILY cause tinnitus in some persons.

In some persons, the toxicity of aspirin to the ear will inhibit the
existing tinnitus. Unfortunately we have no way of determining  in whom this
will work. Estimates are that it will work in 5% of tinnitus patients.

But the baby dose of aspirin will not cause tinnitus.

Xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Again, its not the Gingko that is the problem, its that in Southern
California people take regular herbs, chinese preparations, yogic
preparations, etc etc plus they are also taking 4 or more preparations for
heart, etc that they don't know the name of,  and the combination can
seriously lower the blood clotting mechanism.  Do you think I know what
happens when you combine Gingko with any of the nundreds of  herbs available
all over town? Do you think I can advise someone who doesn't know any  names
of the 5 medicaions he is taking?
When I see a Gingko nosebleed, I am just thankful that its the nose and not
somewheres else.
Mr. X - 25 Oct 2005 14:33 GMT
Hmmm ...,

I got some minor nosebleeds.  Maybe the Ginko did have something to do with
that.

> On 10/24/05 1:07 AM, in article 3s3j2fFm3lr9U1@individual.net, "Skycloud"
> <me@privacy.com> wrote:
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> not
> somewheres else.
Skycloud - 25 Oct 2005 15:21 GMT
> Hmmm ...,
>
> I got some minor nosebleeds.  Maybe the Ginko did have something to do with
> that.

Just as I did!   It was bleeding at the back of the eye I was worried about
getting next....

S
fyfpoon@gmail.com - 24 Oct 2005 01:25 GMT
I seem to feel that the cause of your tinnitus is a turmoil situation
in which your body gets confused by your having to cope with so many
tasks at the same time.  In this process, some of your 'nerve part'
might get damaged, like a fuse in a light bulb.  I am quoting you this
from a neurologist I visited.

Well, try the following steps:
(1)do away with a pillow or just lie flat at night.
(2)visit a chiro once a week and get your neck relaxed a bit.
(3)take a vitamin B complex each morning.  This is used to bandage your
damaged nerve.  Do this for 3 months.
(4)since your seem to find sound masking effective, then use it by all
means to help you cope with this ill during the transition.
Mr. X - 24 Oct 2005 02:42 GMT
>I seem to feel that the cause of your tinnitus is a turmoil situation
> in which your body gets confused by your having to cope with so many
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> Well, try the following steps:
> (1)do away with a pillow or just lie flat at night.
--> Worth a try.  I don't have vertigo, and used to be a gymnast about 4
months ago.  Maybe handstands and standing on my head could help?  Maybe
yoga?
> (2)visit a chiro once a week and get your neck relaxed a bit.
--> I read somewhere that the chiro can cause tinnitus, but I went for one
of those backrubs in the airport yesterday, and that was the best 15 minutes
I have had for a while.
> (3)take a vitamin B complex each morning.  This is used to bandage your
> damaged nerve.  Do this for 3 months.
-->  I just started taking a multivitamin.
> (4)since your seem to find sound masking effective, then use it by all
> means to help you cope with this ill during the transition.

-->  I'm sure that there are all sorts of devices for this.  Thanks for your
responses.

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