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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / September 2005About the sin thing
I remember at the support group some people were concerned about tinnitus being some kind of devine punishment. I did a fair bit of checking around back then and I did not hear of any maintream religions where this was a possibility or even an issue. Just in case you are religious and you are concerned about this possibility, please make sure you discuss this with your religious leaders and seek their advice and/or comfort. The other thread about tinnitus being a devine punishment, well, there you go, somebody trying to crank up your stress level. Suppose God (by whatever name) was really out to give you a hard time-wouldn't it more likely you come down with something a lot worse, certainly something more high profile and visible to others so they'd be able to see "you're being made an example of." Why do something simple that nobody else could see, hear or notice... Naw, me thinks this shouldn't be any great worry. Enjoy life already, Bart. I think he has tinnitus confused with the tornado, flood, lightning strike, invasion of Iraq and other acts of god. >I remember at the support group some people were concerned about > tinnitus being some kind of devine punishment. I did a fair bit of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Enjoy life already, > Bart. > I think he has tinnitus confused with the tornado, flood, lightning strike, > invasion of Iraq and other acts of god. I wouldn't regard the invasion of Iraq an act of dog even if I did believe in him/her/it. That was George W Bush and his mob backed up by Tony Blair, who profess to be Christians, yet have killed and maimed thousands of innocent children! Crikey! Ben Ben, you're a funny guy. I thought you reference to "dog" was a type until I read your other post. :-) You also threw in a Crikey! which makes me think you might be living somewhere down in the southern hemisphere? Cheers, Wayne. Dog, God - not a lot of difference, eh? Well, my dog barks, and I can see him, and I *think* he loves me :) I live in the UK Wayne -have done all my life. Ben > Ben, you're a funny guy. I thought you reference to "dog" was a type > until I read your other post. :-) You also threw in a Crikey! which [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Cheers, > Wayne. > Dog, God - not a lot of difference, eh? Well, my dog barks, and I can see > him, and I *think* he loves me :) I live in the UK Wayne -have done all my > life. Dont like the sound of that place minister Monkhouse said you'd go - even if he's wrong could'nt you get religion for insurance?? better safe than sorry > Dont like the sound of that place minister Monkhouse said you'd go - > > even if he's wrong could'nt you get religion for insurance?? better safe > than sorry No - sorry that is cheating! That is exactly why many "believe", because they are scared of dying. I ain't. Ben My Child
You may not know me, but I know everything about you Psalm 139:1 I know when you sit down and when you rise up Psalm 139:2 I am familiar with all your ways Psalm 139:3 Even the very hairs on your head are numbered Matthew 10:29-31 For you were made in my image Genesis 1:27 In me you live and move and have your being Acts 17:28 For you are my offspring Acts 17:28 I knew you even before you were conceived Jeremiah 1:4-5 I chose you when I planned creation Ephesians 1:11-12 You were not a mistake, for all your days are written in my book Psalm 139:15-16 I determined the exact time of your birth and where you would live Acts 17:26 You are fearfully and wonderfully made Psalm 139:14 I knit you together in your mother's womb Psalm 139:13 And brought you forth on the day you were born Psalm 71:6 I have been misrepresented by those who don't know me John 8:41-44 I am not distant and angry, but am the complete expression of love 1 John 4:16 And it is my desire to lavish my love on you 1 John 3:1 Simply because you are my child and I am your Father 1 John 3:1 I offer you more than your earthly father ever could Matthew 7:11 For I am the perfect father Matthew 5:48 Every good gift that you receive comes from my hand James 1:17 For I am your provider and I meet all your needs Matthew 6:31-33 My plan for your future has always been filled with hope Jeremiah 29:11 Because I love you with an everlasting love Jeremiah 31:3 My thoughts toward you are countless as the sand on the seashore ...Psalms 139:17-18 And I rejoice over you with singing Zephaniah 3:17 I will never stop doing good to you Jeremiah 32:40 For you are my treasured possession Exodus 19:5 I desire to establish you with all my heart and all my soul Jeremiah 32:41 And I want to show you great and marvelous things Jeremiah 33:3 If you seek me with all your heart, you will find me Deuteronomy 4:29 Delight in me and I will give you the desires of your heart Psalm 37:4 For it is I who gave you those desires Philippians 2:13 I am able to do more for you than you could possibly imagine Ephesians 3:20 For I am your greatest encourager 2 Thessalonians 2:16-17 I am also the Father who comforts you in all your troubles 2 Corinthians 1:3-4 When you are brokenhearted, I am close to you Psalm 34:18 As a shepherd carries a lamb, I have carried you close to my heart Isaiah 40:11 One day I will wipe away every tear from your eyes Revelation 21:3-4 And I'll take away all the pain you have suffered on this earth Revelation 21:3-4 I am your Father, and I love you even as I love my son, Jesus John 17:23 For in Jesus, my love for you is revealed John 17:26 He is the exact representation of my being Hebrews 1:3 He came to demonstrate that I am for you, not against you Romans 8:31 And to tell you that I am not counting your sins 2 Corinthians 5:18-19 Jesus died so that you and I could be reconciled 2 Corinthians 5:18-19 His death was the ultimate expression of my love for you 1 John 4:10 I gave up everything I loved that I might gain your love Romans 8:31-32 If you receive the gift of my son Jesus, you receive me 1 John 2:23 And nothing will ever separate you from my love again Romans 8:38-39 Come home and I'll throw the biggest party heaven has ever seen Luke 15:7 I have always been Father, and will always be Father Ephesians 3:14-15 My question is Will you be my child? John 1:12-13 I am waiting for you Luke 15:11-32 Love, Your Dad. Almighty God Download a one page poster of Father's Love Letter. PERMISSION TO COPY: The printed version of Father's Love Letter can be copied and used for free distribution providing the following copyright information is displayed... 'Father's Love Letter used by permission Father Heart Communications Copyright 1999-2005 www.FathersLoveLetter.com' Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ Are you a relation of the 'Rev AC Byrne' by any chance Elly ? Steve -- > My Child. > [quoted text clipped - 171 lines] > Elly's Tinnitus Resources > http://eebee.net/ > Are you a relation of the 'Rev AC Byrne' by any chance Elly ? Maybe she's a choirboy? All this tripe was written by men, for men, and some is quite intellingent, but most is utter crap! I don't know why people believe this stuff - fiction the lot of it. Ben No way. Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ >Are you a relation of the 'Rev AC Byrne' by any chance Elly ? > >Steve Jesus Christ! Larry 5.8.21 > No way. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > >Steve Am I related to JC? YES. I am adopted into his family. "Ephesians 2:19 members of God's household." Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/ >Jesus Christ! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> > >> >Steve Nice one Elly! This passage must more closely captures the true love of God than that Monkhouse idiot's rantings. As puny humans with limited intellects (and yes, I certainly include myself with that!) all we can say is "God is Love". This phrase sounds meaningless, yet it means everything whenever we briefly are able to sweep aside all our everyday cares and 'tune in' to what really matters about being human. So to Ben and others I would say: if you have experienced love in your life for someone dear, you know it 'exists'. Yet it's not something you can directly measure in a scientific laboratory. Then, if you accept love exists, why cannot you accept that a source of love could possibly exist - God ? Forget all that baloney about cassocks and incense and social control and killing for your 'religion'. Leave that to Monkhouse and his ilk to enjoy. Rev > My Child. > [quoted text clipped - 171 lines] > Elly's Tinnitus Resources > http://eebee.net/ > So to Ben and others I would say: if you have experienced love in your life > for someone dear, you know it 'exists'. Yet it's not something you can > directly measure in a scientific laboratory. Then, if you accept love > exists, why cannot you accept that a source of love could possibly exist - > God ? Love hurts? Hate - that is that other "guy" who is also non-existent - the devil? Why should any feeling come from some non-existent source? Why should any feelings we have come from any source other than ourselves? Ben God loves us all except some of have to suffer a lot. > Nice one Elly! > [quoted text clipped - 193 lines] > > Elly's Tinnitus Resources > > http://eebee.net/ > > Dont like the sound of that place minister Monkhouse said you'd go - > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > they are scared of dying. I ain't. > Ben Well I'm afraid of dying but I don't "believe", not sure why though. I suspect religions pick you, you don't pick it. You can't force yourself to believe in something, your mind gathers the info and decides for you. You certainly can say you believe in something, but whether you actually believe is not a conscious decision. As far as believing in religion for insurance, the obvious question is which of the thousands religions do you believe in, I guess the best one, probability wise, is to pick none, so when you die and find out that, say, Zeus is the real God he would be less pissed off at you if you worshipped no other Gods, rather then if he found out you were worshipping a false God. So the odds are with us! Bart V =86=E9=93=BC > I remember at the support group some people were concerned about > tinnitus being some kind of devine punishment. I did a fair bit of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Enjoy life already, > Bart. For some people and in some cases, having tinnitus represents having sinned even in a religious sense. The kind of tinnitus caused by emotional turmoil is an example of it. Emotional outburst such as anger associated with scolding people can cause tinnitus and is a sin against our body and God. Once your nerve is damaged by anger or the feeling of insecurity, tinnitus can surface. For some people and in some cases, having tinnitus represents having sinned even in a religious sense. The kind of tinnitus caused by emotional turmoil is an example of it. Emotional outburst such as anger associated with scolding people can cause tinnitus and is a sin against our body and God. Once your nerve is damaged by anger or the feeling of insecurity, tinnitus can surface. Even in a religious sense? Not necessarily, depending on how you define religion. I don't understand why the Americans are so opposed to religion. The only explanation is that the churches are occupied by some pretty UN-intellectual preachers. > Not necessarily, depending on how you define religion. I don't > understand why the Americans are so opposed to religion. The only > explanation is that the churches are occupied by some pretty > UN-intellectual preachers. Isn't that a good enough reason? Seriously, though--I wouldn't go so far as to say "the Americans are so opposed to religion" -- the country is more or less run, presently, by the "religious right". The problem is America's take on religion is capitalistic in nature -- a proverbial pissing contest where quotas of sin and self-righteousness are compared and contrasted. It's religion without spirituality--which is a bad way to take religion. This isn't always the case, obviously--but it is the case a significant amount of the time. Naturally, these types are the loudest of all. "Tinnitus is a result of your great sin!" isn't a statement that speaks well of the sayer or their faith. Yes, it is the only reason. Preachers are very un-stimulating people, and thus going there makes life very dull. |
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