Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Tinnitus / September 2005
How I got Tinnitus -- Part 2
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Joe - 22 Aug 2005 09:49 GMT Sorry for the broken post folks, just learning how to use posting.
So to continue, I resumed driving the car after shampooing it myself. about 4 days later I kept having this funny taste in the flem of the back of my throat. I started to develop what is labelled as an " Icepick Headache ". A constant jabbing or ticklish pain on the top of my head on the right side. The pain was near the suface of the skull. Felt like a small needle piercing the skull. The pain was 98 % stationary, and 2 % of the time would be felt in an area close by. It was also around this time I developed T.V.T. ( Television Tinnitus ) ... Shortly there after I stopped using the contaminated car. The symptoms remained for 9 months, until the ice pick headaches finally and gradually ceased. But the T.V.T. has remained to this day. ( Now 11 months ). I also have experience - - ear aches, fullness in the ears, pain in the temple area, tooth aches ( multiple, like 5 or 6 teeth on the upper right side all acheing simultaneously.) I have gone into such detail to hopefully prevent any one else from making the same mistake or possiby help some current sufferers realize how they got Tinnitus. When you got " T " , did you purchase a used vehicle or maybe you bought some used furniture. Where I'm going with this is - - - Fabric Protectant could be the culprit in this instance. Fabric Protectant is simply Silicone ( Polydimethylsiloxane ) and mineral oil. Silicone oil. Others are the same but contain Teflon. In my instance according to the distributor mine did not contain Teflon. I wont go any further into Teflon because that does not apply here. The dish soap I used is the new stuff out called " OXI ". Palmolive and Dawn make a version of it. I used the palmolive version. On the Dawn label it says " New with active oxides, creates thousands of micro bubbles to deep clean your dishes. Silicone oil reactes with oxidizers to create carbon monoxide and formeldehyde. Nasty stuff. But I asked Palmolive if there OXI liquid dish soap was an oxidizer and they said no it is not. Apparently it contains active oxides, but is not an oxidizer. An example of an oxidizer is vinegar, a mild oxidizer. I'm not sure but I think Acetone is a strong oxidizer. At any rate I dont think this oxidizer chemical reaction occured in my instance. Did you know that most liquid dish soaps today contain a chemical called DEA (diethanolamine). The summary on this is not nice, try googling it.
A synthetic solvent, detergent and humectant widely used in brake fluid, industrial degreasers and antifreeze. Mostly used in liquid soap, shampoo & conditioner. Can be harmful for the liver, kidneys and pancreas. May cause cancer in various organs. Irritates skin, eyes, mucous membranes. Found also in hair dye, lotions, cream, bubble bath, liquid dishwashing detergent & laundry soap. Health risk especially to infants and young children. Forms nitrosamines known to be carcinogens. Causes allergic reactions and contact dermatitis. Hazardous & toxic. ----------------------- I think what happened in my case was ,,,, Small particles of Silicone oil or liquid dish soap or a combination of the two, migrated up the eustectian tube from the flem in the back of my throat. This occured over a period of 1 or 2 weeks. Think of it this way, the eustectian tube normally expells mucous produced from the middle ear. It travels down the eustectian tube and out into the back of the throat. The eustectian tube is a moist fluid environment, mostly consiting of water. If you placed Silicone oil or liquid dish soap on the suface of a bowl of water you would see it float on the suface. These minute particles then slowly migrated up the eustectian tube, like a small bubble in a tube. Once it reaches the middle ear, its not going to come back down. I'm not sure if the eustectian tube has silia hairs or not, but if it did the hairs would not be able to move the bubble down because of it's slipperyness. I think the Cochlea of the inner ear has Silia hairs. The Cochlea converts the mechanical vibrations into electrical signals to the brain. T.V.T. sounds exactly like an electrical problem, yes ? I'm wondering if it is possible for contaminants present in the middle ear to get into the Cochlea through the Stapes foot plate or Round window. See this link for explanation of stapes foot plate and round window. If you leave your cursor over the images they will change slightly, like a small movie. http://www.american-hearing.org/name/barotrauma.html#treated
The Cochlea and the Semi-Circular Canals (balance) of the inner ear are also all filled with fluid. Any contaminats making there way into here could produce Vertigo, dizziness, and also Tinnitus. Link to explanations http://oto.wustl.edu/cochlea/intro1.htm
I am not a doctor or medically trained in any way, but I have spent about 6 months researching this on the internet , this is only my theory of Tinnitus and it makes sense to me. So what can be done to actually correct it ? Not much as far as I know. I asked my ENT if he or anyone else he knew of could do a procedure where by a tiny tube is sent up the eustectian tube and the middle ear is irrigated with a solution and simultaneously suctioned out. My ENT said " No way, there is not supposed to be water in the middle ear ". My reply was " Well there is not supposed to be oil or soap there either ". Besides their is mucous present, made up of water. . . .
Anyways thats my theory, I hope no one gets stressed over my post, I only intend to possibly help. I look forward to any replies.
TidBit:
I read one post about pushing with the hands on the forehead or the chin and see how it changes the Tinnitus . For me it increases the volume, but hey, try putting both hands on the very top of your head and push straight down. For me this reduces the volume.
Joe . . ....
Wayne - 22 Aug 2005 17:43 GMT Hi Joe,
Interesting read. I tried the 2 hand trick. That also increases the volume for me the same as pushing on my jaw. Like you I have the continuous 24/7 high pitched T, but I don't think mine is related to any kind of chemical exposure. Certainly I can't think of any correlation. On a different not I am still waiting for my ENT appointment, but in the last week I have managed to reduce the intensity of the (high pitched constant, both ears) T by....
1. Avoiding coffee and other beverages with caffeine. 2. Avoiding alcohol (although I had a couple of drinks tonight) 3. Excercising 20-30 minutes a day 4. Taking a berroca (vitamin B12, C) each morning
Since I started all four things at once I'm not sure which one is the one that is helping or whether its a combination of them all. Certainly none of these things could hurt I would have thought.
As I write this, the T is higher than its been all week, but its also much less than what it was a week ago. I guess I'll see how it goes next week and post back.
Cheers, Wayne.
Joe - 22 Aug 2005 18:15 GMT Hi Wayne
Thanx for your input. I also have followed the same regime, minus the exercise and berroca. I'll consider getting of my butt and going for a swim or jog. I try to eat healthy, lots of fruit and veggies. Before my T, I drank alcohol a substantial amount, I had one episode of severe pain in temple region and increased T, the next morning after having 4 or 5 beer. So now I do not drink at all.
Joe
> Hi Joe, > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Cheers, > Wayne. Elly Byrne - 22 Aug 2005 21:10 GMT Hi Joe,
Have you considered that maybe the fact that the car was different - the seat was different - your posture was different - that all these things were affecting your body. And if the tension is never undone it will remain even though you drive a different car.
http://eebee.net/TinnitusIsaPainintheNeck.shtml
Elly's Tinnitus Resources http://eebee.net/
>Sorry for the broken post folks, just learning how to use posting. > [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] > > Joe . . .... Joe - 23 Aug 2005 04:17 GMT Hello Elly
No, I have no need to consider any other angles, as the onset of my problems began exactly at the time I was exposed to the Silicone oil/Liquid dish soap. That is what, I am trying to convey to all. Because of the incident that occurred to me, I have offered an insight into ( one ) of the ways that T can occur. Please use caution with chemicals and compounds, especially those that are lighter than water. When I took the car to the Auto detail shop they were astonished at the amount of silicone that was on the seats. I have now had the seats shampooed a total of 5 times and a drop of water on the seats still beads and rolls away. The owner of the detail shop told me that once stuff gets into the foam of the upholstery it is very difficult to get it out. I plan on taking legal action against the car dealership as they have definetly affected my health. Have enjoyed reading your earlier posts Elly and thanx for your reply .
And for Ben, I realize there are many different types of T, thats why I differentiated by describing mine as T.V.T. I also realize there is not much that can be done. That is why I also think that trying to lessen it with music or lazers or ultra sound or eating beans to increase flatuance is utter nonsense. But hey, what ever works in the mean time, explore ! If anyone is going to solve the problem, we have to understand the problem. Like most of you have stated the medical profession has turned a closed mind to the affliction, because they dont know what to do about it. If you dont know how to get to the moon, does that mean you should not study it and try to get there ? I am a pioneer, into the great unknown. Prone to ridicule and attack from all sides. I shall form a circle of wagons for protection and continue on my quest into new territory. Ok. Enough. Some med companies are making big bucks off of the people suffering T, with all kinds of ridiculous therapies. Reminds me of the middle ages, where the under lying cause of an affliction was not understood, so how could they apply an appropriate remedy. Science is based on facts, not speculation. Because of the incident that occurred to me, I have offered an insight into ( one ) of the ways that T can occur. Please use caution with chemicals and compounds, especially those that are lighter than water. Silicone oil is colorless and odourless. Where as the liquid dish soap did leave a bit of an off taste in the back of my throat. Only in recent times, people have had the ability to create new compounds and chemicals, with out considering the effects to the function of the human body. When evolution/god created the Eustectian tube, lighter than water compounds were not a consideration. The fact that the middle ear is complex and the inner ear even more so, makes it extremely difficult to get there ( moon ) treat. Whats Nano technology for. Or maybe more appropriately, Nano Surgery or Nano administration/replacement of solutions to the Cochlea, could be a new frontier.
I know, call me a dreamer. But hey, so was Jack Kennedy (moon). I refuse to be stressed or have anxiety over T. I consider my exploration as a hobby. I just found out 2 co- workers have T.V.T. , one of them also hears little blips or bells, as do I. I also found it interesting that he is a car enthusiast and owns 3 used thunderbird cars and has also had Fabric Protectant applied to his interior of 2 cars. Although not to the degree I was subjected. Oh well. Maybe 10 years from now, I'll end up asking Ben where I can purchase a good used guillotine. lol. Joe
Ingenuous - 23 Aug 2005 04:33 GMT > No, I have no need to consider any other angles, as the onset of my > problems began exactly at the time I was exposed to the Silicone > oil/Liquid dish soap. Joe,
My tinnitus started one morning as I was commuting to work. I think it was a coincidence that I happened to be driving my car when the noise began. Had my departure been delayed, the onset might have been coincident with the application of shaving cream.
Unless a person is born with tinnitus, the onset is invariably coincident with some other activity. Probably the best way to determine whether or not a particular activity causes tinnitus would be to repeat the experiment with someone who doesn't have tinnitus to see if tinnitus is induced. Temporary tinnitus can be induced with heavy doses of aspirin or with auditory insults. Perhaps it can be induced with WD-40 spray or dish soap, perhaps not.
Ben - 23 Aug 2005 15:09 GMT . Oh well.
> Maybe 10 years from now, I'll end up asking Ben where I can purchase a good > used guillotine. lol. Hey Joe mate! - perhaps the French have a few left over,eh? :)
Ben
Stinkweed - 08 Sep 2005 06:12 GMT > Sorry for the broken post folks, just learning how to use posting. > [quoted text clipped - 100 lines] > > Joe . . .... Joe I'm not a doctor either, but have you given thought that maybe you have more than one thing going on? I have Trigeminal Nerve pain and it effects my teeth on one side of my face, I have to sometimes numb them to brush them. It also effects my cheek, and my nose and half of my palate. There are devastating headaches that are sometimes referred to as "icepick" headaches. I just can't think of the proper name right now. I have migraines. Then you could have the tinnitus. That is a possibility. Have you seen a Neurologist? Then your theory could be correct. But don't overlook others.
John - 25 Sep 2005 02:10 GMT Hi ya StinkWeed
Sorry to here of your dilema. Sounds like our conditions are similar although yours a bit more severe. The sharp icepick pain has finally subsided. Had it about 8 months. Yes I did see a Neurologist. He labeled it right away as icepick headache - (Hemicrania continua) or (Cervicogenic headache). Usually associated with some kind of chemical exposure. He also told me that icepick headache is usually accompanied by a lack of feeling or numbness, in certain areas. My theory . . ... these foreign materials (chemicals), some of which are odourless and colorless, can make there way into the middle ear via the eustacian tube causing Tinnitus. These foreign materials are also into the blood via the lungs. The kidney filters most of it out. But not all. These materials that are lighter than water (blood being 96% water) IE: oils / soaps , float up the eustacian tube. Also in the blood stream if they make there way into the brain, they end up where blood vessels narrow down to be come very small. Like a small bubble blocking the end of the tiny end of the blood vessel, this causes the surrounding cells and nerves to die from a lack of oxogenated blood. This causes the icepick pain and also causes numbness as nerve cells die. The good news is that over time 8 to 24 months the body finds different routes to provide blood as the dead cells are replaced by new ones. As for Tinnitus - -The altered chemical compostion in the cochlea (inner ear) how ever, im not sure this is reversible over time. I think to help the body keep filtering and cleaning, it is important to drink copius amounts of good clean water. Think back of when your problem started. What happened or was different. You know some people sell cars to others, knowing full well it may make them sick and never inform them of the problem. My problem (icepick headache and Tinnitus) all arose from driving a car that had fabric protectant (Silicone Oil) = (Silicone + Mineral oil) applied EXCESSIVELY. The problem is that it is odourless and colorless, so I did not realize the danger until I ended up in the hospital with respratory distress. The next day I took the car to a detailer shop and they said there was waaaay too much fabric protectant on the seats. Wow . . I did not smell it while driving, but I sure felt the effects. So be wary of any soaps or oils (including motor oils) - any chemicals lighter than water. As was discovered many years after today, the human body is not designed to cope with these lighter than water materials.
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>> Sorry for the broken post folks, just learning how to use posting. >> [quoted text clipped - 112 lines] > Have you seen a Neurologist? Then your theory could be correct. But > don't overlook others.
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